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go with it.

But it doesn't change the fact that all governments do it, as best as they can, with the technology available to them. You can live in the real world, or build a shack in Montana and live "off the grid." 'sup to you.

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And this kind of misinformation is what is derailing what could and should be a serious conversation.

What happens when your grandmother decides to protest the Keystone pipeline.

She becomes earmarked as a domestic terrorist and then those stored calls are resurrected for listening based on the previously collected meta data.

Sounds like massive spying to me.

Let's stay grounded in reality.

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Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

put a stop to it!

that the amount of spying on citizens without reasonable suspicion of a bona fide crime has vascillated widely in different times and places, and the less there is of it, the better.

And what the NSA can do now is like the Stasi on steroids.

but it's not going to stop. Do you think if Russia had the same technology the NSA has, they wouldn't use it? China? Israel?

I'm not suggesting you like it. I'm saying it's happening, and I can't think of anything that will end it, short of destroying all modern technology.

who don't take care of their own lives - that was a sort of spying too. Private people do it.

is what Rmoney said.

Comparing a video of a politician's speech to the collecting of data on anybody and everybody all the time...

No comparison.

A lot of data was collected on him.

Data is not being collected on everybody.

whatever you want to believe. If you like being spied on, well I guess some people could get into it.

To believe we weren't doing this is naive. Now I know some are going to get pissed at me saying that. Well tough shit! I've lived overseas for 10 years and I know my conversations are being recorded. I agree we need to know the extent of the surveillance without without the entire program being compromised and Congress needs to do a better job with oversight.