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Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:03 PM Jun 2013

Why aren't the M$M, SCOTUS, critics of AA acknowledging plaintiff didn't have the grades for UT?

It Seems Mediocre Grades, Not Ethnicity, Kept Abigail Fisher Out of UT Austin
By Anna Merlan Thu., Mar. 21 2013 at 12:34 PM

The future of affirmative action in American universities could be decided within weeks, in a Supreme Court case with Texas roots. But a new report from the investigative journalists at ProPublica suggests that the story of Abigail Noel Fisher's fight against the University of Texas ultimately has very little to do with race.

Fisher, 23 years old and very white, has been suing the University of Texas since 2008, alleging that the affirmative action process kept her out of UT Austin. The case is bankrolled by the Project on Fair Representation, the brainchild of a 60-year-old former stockbroker named Edward Blum. According to a Reuters profile, Blum sought out Fisher, persuaded her to file suit, found her an attorney, and secured thousands in funding from a few sympathetic conservative donors to make sure the case could be appealed to the highest level. (He's done the same for a dozen or so other suits, including Shelby County vs. Holder, which seeks to strike down a law requiring a few select states -- Texas among them -- to check with the feds before changing election rules.)

Nikole Hannah-Jones writes that in 2008, the year Fisher applied, 92 percent of freshman spots in the UT system were claimed by in-state high school students who graduated in the top 10 percent of their classes. That didn't include Fisher, who finished high school in Sugar Land with a 3.59 GPA and 1180 on her SATs, according to court docs.

So Fisher and the other remaining applicants were instead evaluated based on two scores: one for her grades and test scores, and the other based on a "personal achievement index," which ProPublica explains awarded points for two required essays, as well "leadership, activities, service and 'special circumstances.' Those included socioeconomic status of the student or the student's school, coming from a home with a single parent or one where English wasn't spoken. And race."

School officials say that this is where Fisher's mediocre grades and test scores really dinged her, Hannah-Jones writes: "[E]ven if Fisher received points for her race and every other personal achievement factor, the letter she received in the mail still would have said no." And yet: the school did offer "provisional" admission to students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Black and brown kids, surely, right? Wrong. Five of those "provisional" students, according to court docs, were black or Latino. The rest of them --42 in all -- were white.

As Hannah-Jones points out, neither Fisher nor her backer Blum saw fit to mention those 42 accepted white kids in interviews:

Nor did they acknowledge the 168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher's who were also denied entry into the university that year. Also left unsaid is the fact that Fisher turned down a standard UT offer under which she could have gone to the university her sophomore year if she earned a 3.2 GPA at another Texas university school in her freshman year. In an interview last month, Blum agreed Fisher's credentials and circumstances make it difficult to argue -- as he and his supporters have so ardently in public -- that but for her race Fisher would have been a Longhorn.

"There are some Anglo students who had lower grades than Abby who were admitted also," Blum told ProPublica. "Litigation like this is not a black and white paradigm."

Much more at the link:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/03/mediocre_grades_not_ethnicity.php
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Why aren't the M$M, SCOTUS, critics of AA acknowledging plaintiff didn't have the grades for UT? (Original Post) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 OP
Truth be told at last JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #1
My sister this morning had mentioned an interesting point, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #2
I had no idea grade inflation had gotten so extreme. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #3
Honors have 5 grade points and AP have 6 grade points dsc Jun 2013 #7
The best high school students finish with GPAs above 3.7. I graduated years ago with a bluestate10 Jun 2013 #8
I wonder how long it took Blum to find a student Jarla Jun 2013 #4
K&R What a weird lawsuit Number23 Jun 2013 #5
UT Austin also said, even if they gave her the points for race she wouldn't have gotten in. tammywammy Jun 2013 #6
A disingenuous suit LynnGwyst Jun 2013 #9

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
2. My sister this morning had mentioned an interesting point,
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jun 2013

where she was basically saying that it is petty and a waste of time for the anti-Affirmative Action people to fight it, since not too many Blacks, Native Americans, and people of Latino descent really get accepted, anyway. When one looks at the numbers at some of the UC schools, roughly 15% of all Black applicants are now accepted, and the last time I checked, the percentage of the student body that is Black in most prestigious universities is in the single digits. The gist of this seems to be that the anti-AA side is doing all of this fighting over just a few slots.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
7. Honors have 5 grade points and AP have 6 grade points
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:58 PM
Jun 2013

and there are lots more of both of those classes now than in the past.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
8. The best high school students finish with GPAs above 3.7. I graduated years ago with a
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

GPA of 3.75 and I didn't get into the honors classes at my state's top university. Grade inflation wasn't a term that was even spoken when I finished high school. A 3.59 GPA left a lot of people above Abigail Fisher, if merit was the only factor considered. When I went to college, many factors were considered when students were admitted. Did a student high good, but not top grades came from a poor family? Did a student come from a certain part of the state? Did the potential college student add to the diversity of the university? Was the potential college student the son or daughter of a person that worked at another university? Did the potential college student's family contribute money or time promoting the university? The list is almost endless, each university chooses it's subgroup from among that list.

Jarla

(156 posts)
4. I wonder how long it took Blum to find a student
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jun 2013

who was willing to file this lawsuit. Seems like the pickings were pretty slim Fisher was his best candidate.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
6. UT Austin also said, even if they gave her the points for race she wouldn't have gotten in.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jun 2013

I had friends that went elsewhere for a year and then transferred into UT. It's hard to get into UT Austin if you're not in the top 10%. And even more disgusting is that they focus on only the 5 minority students and not the fact that 42 white students beat her in.

The school's rejection rate that year for the remaining 841 openings was higher than the turn-down rate for students trying to get into Harvard.

http://www.propublica.org/article/a-colorblind-constitution-what-abigail-fishers-affirmative-action-case-is-r


She didn't make the cut, was given other options, but instead wants to blame it on affirmative action. She and her lawyers are pathetic.

LynnGwyst

(2 posts)
9. A disingenuous suit
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

Like so many other efforts perpetrated by the right, this is not about the case at hand. It appears to me that there is no real concern by either the plaintiff or her supporters over her opportunity to receive a quality education, whether that be at UT or some other institution. It's all about injecting specific rhetoric into the public dialog and hoping to weaken support for affirmative action by creating a "victim" of AA. A complete presentation of the facts and an honest profile of the alleged victim does not serve their agenda in any way. This is a classic example of a frivolous law suit and further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the right, specifically as concerns their "tort reform" efforts.

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