maybe some RW asshat wont remove them this time.

the original white house solar system was for water only. Big difference there.

it matters that a solar powered system is going back on.

When the first words in the article are "Carter's solar panels". Which were lambasted at the time and when torn down and were pretty much demonized then. This is a whole nother ball of wax.

And as a solar guy, I frequently hear the phrase "my so and so has solar and it it doesn't work" or "was a waste of money" or "an eyesore" when they are not making the distinction between water and electricity. (AND BTW, they do work, there is nothing that would prevent them from working).

And that thirty-some years later, the notion of an alternative to Big Carbon has returned.

Hope it can be the start of something really significant.

Thanks for the thread, ProSense.

It looks like a cheap ploy to divert attention from his approving Keystone XL.
And there will be gullible people who eat it up.

looser and loser are PRONOUNCED differently

their sore about it? Call me puzzled too. . .

Urban Dictionary: looser

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=looser - Cached - Similar

A looser is a loser who can't spell "loser". ... 2. looser. Idiotic way of spelling "loser".

Most often used by teens and adults with no more than a 2nd grade grammar ...

Sorry, but as with everything Obama, all you gotta do is think for a second as to his motives and how the Corps that own him are going to profit......

The whining about what the president should have done four years ago is endless.

Apparently the economy wasn't in free fall.

Anyway, its always good to see the democratic president's motives questioned on DU when he does or says something positive.

Now, it just looks like a cheap stunt...as another DUer termed it. No reason to give points now. Where has Obamas concern for enviroment and energy saving been the past 4 1/2 years?

Here on DU almost since the day he was elected.

And anytime he does or says the right thing, its dismissed, or we are told he had some anterior motive.

Been going on for 4+ years and will continue until he leaves office.

He had 100% support on DU. He squandered it bit by bit with his right turns on almost every issue, and appointments of GOPers to administration posts. Bit by bit, peep have had their fill. Final straw for me was the NSA spying.

Theres more.

When was that?

There are people here who have literally been bitchin' about the man since the day he took office - and now they are aided and abetted by the RW trolls who have joined since.

And every single one of us was voting for a change of Bush policies. To be sure, Congress has been petulant. But he had a two year period to get things done, and he squandered it. Many things could have been done without congressional approval, and he continued status quo. Not one of his critics on DU want him to fail, and not one expects him to be 100% perfect...but he just isn't delivering the change he promised and we expected. So we lost hope, and perhaps might bring an end to Bush3.0 in 2016.

that every DUer voted for him, you must be smokin' some pretty primo stuff.

And most of his DU critics did so. The criticism is from deep disappointment...not because we hate him, are racists, or are secret Rand Paul supporters, as ProSurveillence and the rest of the bog so ridiculously claim.

But it's amusing to see it brought up constantly, as though repetition will make it a reality.

That's what we were told on DU over and over ... And when he did, we were told he delay the implementation ... And when that was not true ... We were told he didn't really want to.

That same pattern repeats over and over here. No reason to expect it to change until he leaves office.

Some folks (even in this thread today) are still



Bitter- Kind of sad

No one was calling him a disappointment. No one was calling him Bush lite. Everyone was pleased at prospect of 180 deg course change from Bush.
The ONLY criticism of Obama then was he took single-payer off the table during health-care debate...otherwise, people were pleased with promises of "change". Little did we know change meant 90% status quo.

Totally predictable.

Are you referring to a Liberal Democrat? Yes, last time I checked we were still welcome to post on DU. If you want unquestioning true believers only, there is a Personality Cult Forum just for you.

Don't you have anything more important to do this evening? Balance your checkbook, groom your toenails??

Remember. he wasn't a "king" with a magic wand that could solve every problem at once.

Also remember that he followed a "self-appointed" king or "Unitary Executive" and that his first job was to restore the Rule of Law to the office of President, whether than allow it to be an office of Dictator as his predecessor tried to do.

It galls me sometimes that so many people argued against Bush for being a Dictator, and then criticize Obama for not being the same dictator.

You dogged Democrats on this thread with your hijack comments and nonsensical comments for over eight hours. Pathetic

A good argument he expanded unitary executive with surveillence, etc. nt

This means we're going to have a Republican president in 2016

they can spend a fortune removing them.

He look bad if he puts up Chinese panels.

Obama you wanna be the environmental prez, (after 6 years of doing absolutely nothing at all to suggest that) then end the oil subsidies and give those subsidies so that everyone can put solar on their house. really it is simple. 80% of homes in the US can supply at least 50% of their electrical needs with solar and over 50% can supply 100% or more.

So nice to grandstand like that but try to actually be the environmental President and solve the problems of the country not just grandstand.

"Obama you wanna be the environmental prez, (after 6 years of doing absolutely nothing at all to suggest that) then end the oil subsidies and give those subsidies so that everyone can put solar on their house. really it is simple. 80% of homes in the US can supply at least 50% of their electrical needs with solar and over 50% can supply 100% or more."

...the President has only been in office four and a half years, and he has done something.

Does he mention ROOFTOP solar? (besides the White House that is) No. he keeps the energy corporations in the loop and talks about plants and new plants etc. MORE OF THE FREAKING SAME, LIP SERVICE all the way.

Just burns my ass that the Govt can pay a bazillion dollars to build solar plants int he desert but you don't see rooftop on every building in las Vegas. Keep the profits running. Keep the energy companies in business. FUCK THEM.

"Does he mention ROOFTOP solar? (besides the White House that is) No. he keeps the energy corporations in the loop and talks about plants and new plants etc. MORE OF THE FREAKING SAME, LIP SERVICE all the way. "

...goalpost moving from "after 6 years of doing absolutely nothing at all."

Seriously this is more like the HC bill more and more. And like the HC bill it will be written by lobbyists. And the energy companies will write policy and that means we are FUCKED no matter what. He knows that. There is only one way, and ONE WAY only that we can reverse climate change (if we can at all is open to debate) and that is rooftop solar. And the Corporations will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER give up how they make money to support solar rooftop power.

lets face it, Obama has put the fox in the henhouse in almost every single instance and there is no reason to think that this will not be exactly the same. (Penny Pritzker????, Ben Bernake? The Monsanto Guy? and on and on)

I am glad that I live where we have a socialist power company that really helps with solar power through rebates etc. instead of gouges for profit. SMUD. the difference is startling.


That and ending the Corporations are people thing.

"Seriously this is more like the HC bill more and more. And like the HC bill it will be written by lobbyists."

...it's not a "bill."

More i see of it, I like the effort. Sadly, I see none of that coming to Fruition. Obama is a hero and I will name my first megawatt of solar power after him.

of course the WALMART down the street (and eventually every one across the USA) has had solar panels for five years now.

"Semantics, 'proposals that won't fly', let's call it that....."

...on the second attempt, it's clear you're upset about something you don't understand. The actions are the President's alone, his call, done deal.

Needless to say I'm not impressed.

And it would have been one hell of an economic stimulus. Manufacturers and installers make money, consumers and Main Street save money.

And explained what needs to be done.

And hey I understand the Republicans would block it.

But it would be so much easier if we at least had a Democratic President who would tell the truth about what we really need to do.

Then I could get on the internet and be a cheerleader.

And it was a time when economic stimulus and jobs were needed. Savings on unemployment and welfare could have paid for a sizeable amount of the project.

k and r

We are saved at last.

After all, he knows that most average people cannot afford to have panels installed.

His solution- to petition congress to divert subsidies and pet projects from multi-national oil companies to good old American citizens who want to make this change.

This follow up action (And more to come!) proves this is not just some stunt- but a shot across the bow for a real, nation wide transition to solar power.

I salute these efforts.

(Link to be placed here)

His record on energy and enviroment has been poor so far.

Not that my support for him and his record would diminish one bit if he did not- but I'm saying he will.

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I'll give him credit if it happens. But its still 4 years late...it would have been a big economic boost 4 years ago when carpenters, plumbers, and electricians were being laid off. And consumers would be on year 5 of reduced electric bills, and the planet would be on year 5 of reduced carbon footprint.
Its like giving a linebacker credit for tackling a runningback at the 2 yardline after a 60 yard run. Ok, he made the tackle, but it should have happened 55 yards ago.

Unlike some malcontent Liberals rount chere.

And no, I won't cheer if he does nothing.

Good for him, Of course it won't float because the corps are running the game,especially in Congress..... And they will not support taking away their livelihoods. i'd love to see it. We have great subsidies here and there is a ton and half of solar going on right now.

Those Republican owned, multi-national pipe-line builders are in for a serious suprise.

LOL! No more subsidieis for those crooks-that is a relic of the Bush era.

Obama is going to divert these funds (OUR MONEY, btw) to people who actually voted for him and supported him- the average American citizen- not some tax dodging, foreign controlled oil company.

I cant wait to see the looks on the Oil Companies faces when they finally get punked!!!!111

When the next GOP is in. This is just so much B.S.

Since a GOP POTUS will remove them anyway. Plus, it synchs with his propensity to pay lip-service without doing anything.

to take the sting out of Keystone for the gullible?

...and it only over a full term in office to do it. Ol' Barack is really rockin' the green energy world, ain't he?



Bwahahahahahahahah.

Proof that kool-aid is more delusional than crack.

Slow night on the Alex Jones forum, boys?

One of your friends? Your Hero? Your teacher? One of your relatives? Your spouse?

Well, they say admitting your problem is the first step toward recovery. WTG!

Next you will say that we should not borrow money from them so that we can subsidize even more energy (Yes-Maybe even solar!)

Besides- those are the GOOD Chinese- not the evil ones that Snowden associates with.

I see some naysayers at their finest. No matter what he does. . .

Cheers!

He is going to green light a national Solar Energy revolution. I can feel it in my BONES this time.

He is NOT going to continue to greenlight and subsidize the oil industries pet projects.

The liberals KNOW it, but they cant stand admitting they are wrong.

They are also experts on the NSA and chained cpi

Unless Obama changes his mind and opposes it, then I'll be against it too.

Nothing wrong with hedging a bet or two.

I'm cool either way.

what happened to the old Dr Fate?

Carter installed them more or less as a symbolic gesture. Raygun removed them in even a MORE symbolic gesture. I am glad to see them re-installed. Especially since they are so much more efficient now.

We didnt create those jobs for our Chinese friends so they could dilly-dally and delay our symbolic gestures.

Maybe Snowden is getting to them.

but I see the ODS is strong in this thread.

Fucking predictable.

Sid

leading by example

The right wing is against any alternative energy.

but that doesn't mean it's empty. this is a good thing.

... from trying to remove them in the dead of night.

BP oil spill. Come ask the Gulf Coast residents if they are impressed by the solar panels.