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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:54 AM Jun 2013

Snowden alone in calling out Empire as naked, things can come crashing down quicker than you think

Snowden alone in calling out Empire as naked

Rick Falkvinge is the founder of the first Pirate Party and campaigns for sensible information policy.

Published time: June 27, 2013 10:11

...

Most people in the United States aren't aware that their country is acting like their hated high school bully to most of the rest of the world. The few who do tend to take it with humor: bumper stickers have been seen satirizing this as "Be nice to America, or we'll bring democracy to your country", playing on the media spin that every war of aggression to maintain Pax Americana is about "bringing democracy" somewhere.

So when one man, Edward Snowden, reveals to the world that the Empire stands naked and that it really has been behaving like a bully, wiretapping everybody wholesale, there are shockwaves. But that's where the similarities with the folklore tale ends. Where the naked emperor cringed and realized the game was up, the naked Empire instead chooses to keep rewarding sucking up, pretending that nothing has been revealed at all, and to punish the whistleblower at all costs as a warning to others.

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Take Microsoft software as an important example. As part of the NSA unravelings, it was uncovered that Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers - essentially betraying the trust of every customer worldwide, and making sure that no government, corporation, or media outlet can ever trust Microsoft products again: for Microsoft gave the master key to every customers' operations to the NSA.

Without Snowden setting the ball rolling, we would not have known this, and we would continue to have been owned - in the hacker and literal sense of the word - by the United States. Now, we can at least see that any Microsoft-developed software, and probably any closed US-developed software, is a huge security risk that no nation outside the United States can afford to take.

...

If the doubts in creditworthiness take hold, things can come crashing down quicker than you would expect.

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http://rt.com/op-edge/snowden-us-secrets-truth-317/

Great article.

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Snowden alone in calling out Empire as naked, things can come crashing down quicker than you think (Original Post) Catherina Jun 2013 OP
In related news, Switzerland wants more answers Catherina Jun 2013 #1
Thanks for the article marions ghost Jun 2013 #2
I hate to say it but I think we'll have posters here sticking up for Microsoft and saying byeya Jun 2013 #4
+1 ...and cops, military, CIA, FBI and NSA ...maybe the SS too. L0oniX Jun 2013 #7
Damage control marions ghost Jun 2013 #17
Mostly because it's complete BS Recursion Jun 2013 #12
A certificate marions ghost Jun 2013 #16
Yes. The NSA uses computers too. Recursion Jun 2013 #18
The NSA uses computers too marions ghost Jun 2013 #19
Who's blowing smoke here? ljm2002 Jun 2013 #31
your usage suggests you don't know what that means Recursion Jun 2013 #33
Please see my reply to you downthread (#32) ljm2002 Jun 2013 #34
And yet WovenGems Jun 2013 #26
I don't think we have the answers to those questions marions ghost Jun 2013 #27
same reasons drugs are still around despite billions being spent on the wod. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #29
Many thanks - great and timely post byeya Jun 2013 #3
so we are hoping "that things come crashing down"? hfojvt Jun 2013 #5
That part is fantasy. Orsino Jun 2013 #25
Even if you are in favor of the NSA having a trap door in your software others can exploit data. gordianot Jun 2013 #6
Mean while Ubuntu is sneeking up on MS OS. OpenBSD or any BSD flavored OS is making headway as well. L0oniX Jun 2013 #9
And the PS4 is going to be BSD Recursion Jun 2013 #11
Yes indeedy. L0oniX Jun 2013 #13
Even then.... Virtual Machine. Or Wine. mwooldri Jun 2013 #24
it's not factual to state that he stands alone cali Jun 2013 #8
That part's not factual but unfortunately not enough people can see that Catherina Jun 2013 #15
He stands alone in the way that he did this marions ghost Jun 2013 #20
The author needs to learn how certificates work Recursion Jun 2013 #10
Google "zero day exploits"... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #32
Translation: tax-cheat "libertarian" finds a hero. ucrdem Jun 2013 #14
eeeeehhhhhh......I don't know about that. nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #22
Sounds like something Glenn Beck would say Politicub Jun 2013 #21
Sounds like that Beck guy is firmly in control of what we say zeemike Jun 2013 #23
Why do you keep Snowden at the center of attention pnwmom Jun 2013 #28
naked Empire, cool Progressive dog Jun 2013 #30
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #35
K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #36
K+R sibelian Jun 2013 #37

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
1. In related news, Switzerland wants more answers
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:59 AM
Jun 2013
14:55 GMT: Switzerland says it has received answers from US on Snowden’s activities for the CIA in Geneva, Foreign Minister Didier Burkhalter said. He added that Switzerland wants to discuss it further, Reuters reports. On June 12 the Swiss government formally asked the US for "clarification" on a claim from Snowden that CIA agents in Geneva pushed a banker to drink and drive as part of a dangerous recruitment ploy.

http://rt.com/usa/nsa-leak-snowden-live-updates-482/

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
2. Thanks for the article
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:59 AM
Jun 2013
Take Microsoft software as an important example. As part of the NSA unravelings, it was uncovered that Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers - essentially betraying the trust of every customer worldwide, and making sure that no government, corporation, or media outlet can ever trust Microsoft products again: for Microsoft gave the master key to every customers' operations to the NSA.

How can anyone NOT see this as betrayal?


 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
4. I hate to say it but I think we'll have posters here sticking up for Microsoft and saying
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jun 2013

this is no big deal.

It is a big deal if the Constitution and Declaration of Independence mean anything to you.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
7. +1 ...and cops, military, CIA, FBI and NSA ...maybe the SS too.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jun 2013

Agent Mike ...is not just a joke.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
17. Damage control
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

is in full swing.

But there's not much of a way to repair a complete lack of trust.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Mostly because it's complete BS
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jun 2013

Windows includes a certificate that allows classified secure software to run if it's installed on Windows. It doesn't give anybody access to anything. That's not how certificates work. The certificate tells software "you can trust this OS"; it doesn't tell the OS to trust software.

Hint: if somebody's putting malware on your computer, they won't make the malware require a client-side certificate.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. Yes. The NSA uses computers too.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

They need to be able to run software. The article forgot to mention that hundreds of organizations have added their certificates to Windows.

Hell, the NSA contributed actual code to the Linux Kernel 10 years ago.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
19. The NSA uses computers too
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jun 2013

um........................................really?

Sorry, the NSA doesn't have much cred in this direction you're trying to argue.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
31. Who's blowing smoke here?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jun 2013

"Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers"

These are the so-called "zero day exploits" and have nothing whatsoever to do with certificates or running classified secure software.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
33. your usage suggests you don't know what that means
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jun 2013

A zero day exploit is a security or programming error that gets "announced" by an active compromise.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
34. Please see my reply to you downthread (#32)
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

It's from a Bloomberg article:

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world’s largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes.

WovenGems

(776 posts)
26. And yet
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

How many hackers have been busted using this NSA program? Why are viruses still released into the virtual world? Why the child porn? If the spying was oh so complete evidence would be all around. But it isn't, why?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
27. I don't think we have the answers to those questions
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jun 2013

but if we were not being treated like children who don't need to know, maybe we would have some answers.

Here's a link from today--read about how the systems are tightening down as we speak, and the plans for the future.
They are working on using the most sophisticated technology to make the spying very "complete"....you may be sure...

This technology is at a level that most users of computers cannot comprehend. And the NSA (& surveillance ops in general) are taking every advantage of that fact. The technology is beyond the understanding of most reps in congress. They are just told that we need it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3110981

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
5. so we are hoping "that things come crashing down"?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

the hated high school bully isn't generally spying on the rest of the school.

Although I don't really remember bullies from high school. Seems like that was more of a middle school/grade school phenomenon.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
6. Even if you are in favor of the NSA having a trap door in your software others can exploit data.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

All it takes is one NSA leak we know how that works. So in order to make data secure you end up making it vulnerable to every potential hack and motivate spying by your enemies. Wanna bet that if not known already someone either has exploited these vulnerabilities or will in the near future?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
9. Mean while Ubuntu is sneeking up on MS OS. OpenBSD or any BSD flavored OS is making headway as well.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jun 2013

Unless you are a gamer without a PS3 or use custom MS software there is no reason to use Winsux anymore.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
24. Even then.... Virtual Machine. Or Wine.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jun 2013

Some MS software can run on most linux distros through emulation (Wine). If that doesn't work, then a virtual machine can be run just for the MS software. I prefer the latter approach because there are incompatibility issues in Wine, and with the VM, if that gets hacked ... you've just lost the VM, not the whole computer.

Some computers though are better off running Windows XP, and some are better off with lubuntu. "Old" computers can still serve a nice purpose but with things going Win8, Ubuntu, Android, iOS/OSX these old machines just cannot keep up. For real safety purposes I would recommend the Sneaker Net - disconnected from the Internet but sharing files via DVD.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. it's not factual to state that he stands alone
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jun 2013

binney, wiebe, drake and others have all spoken out.

I have to say, I find this article disingenuous and it reads too much like straight out propaganda for me.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. That part's not factual but unfortunately not enough people can see that
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

I wish the world knew that there are so many Americans who are just as appalled and aren't yawning this away. Or that quite a few other whistleblowers had come forward but I forgive them for not knowing because, even in our country, few average people knew.

I understand why it could seem disingenuous, I find it very honest for its expression of how many foreigners are viewing this and a reaction we should at least note. Our country has an attitude of "let's forget and move on" every 4-8 years, like in the case of Guatemala where 250,000 innocent people were murdered for US policy, or the wars we pushed on the world.

I had the same reaction you did and almost tweeted back, "he's not standing alone* lol.



marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. He stands alone in the way that he did this
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jun 2013

...the emperor has never been so naked to so many eyes.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. The author needs to learn how certificates work
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jun 2013
Take Microsoft software as an important example. As part of the NSA unravelings, it was uncovered that Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers

That sentence is so idiotically wrong I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
32. Google "zero day exploits"...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jun 2013

...here's one result:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130614/02110223467/microsoft-said-to-give-zero-day-exploits-to-us-government-before-it-patches-them.shtml

Bloomberg came out with quite a bombshell last night, discussing how lots of tech companies apparently work with the NSA and other government agencies, not to pass data on users over to the government, but to share exploit information, sometimes before it's public or patched -- in some cases so it can be useful for the US government to use proactively. Last month, we had written about how the feds were certainly collecting hacks and vulnerabilities for offensive purposes, but it wasn't clear at the time that some of these exploits were coming directly from the companies themselves.

The report names one major participant: Microsoft:

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world’s largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes.

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft (MSFT) and other software or Internet security companies have been aware that this type of early alert allowed the U.S. to exploit vulnerabilities in software sold to foreign governments, according to two U.S. officials. Microsoft doesn’t ask and can’t be told how the government uses such tip-offs, said the officials, who asked not to be identified because the matter is confidential.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. Translation: tax-cheat "libertarian" finds a hero.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jun 2013
Rick Falkvinge is the founder of the first Pirate Party and campaigns for sensible information policy.


This could come straight from the black heart of Orange County, CA.

Or any random CNN money show.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
23. Sounds like that Beck guy is firmly in control of what we say
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jun 2013

Or cannot say.
Boy I would like to have that much power...to say something and have half the country not be able to say it.

pnwmom

(108,989 posts)
28. Why do you keep Snowden at the center of attention
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

and then criticize other people for doing the same thing?

Progressive dog

(6,915 posts)
30. naked Empire, cool
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

"Without Snowden setting the ball rolling, we would not have known this, and we would continue to have been owned - in the hacker and literal sense of the word - by the United States."

As a US citizen, most of whom work for corporations like Microsoft, I see nothing to gloat over. When our economy comes crashing down, I don't see how that makes things better.
I can see why a Russian news channel might be ready to gloat. I can't see why an American would.



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