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President Putin says that Snowden is a "ordinary transit passenger" who can travel wherever he wants. Except that he's not.
I am flying to Moscow in two hours, where I will also be a transit passenger (I'll let you know if I run into anyone). Except that I have an onward ticket to another destination. If I didn't have another ticket, the airline wouldn't let me on the plane. If they did, and I was denied entry or transit passage, the airline would be subject to fines as well as the cost of shipping me back where I came from.
Additionally, I can't just show up and enter the country. Russia requires a Visa for American citizens, and believe me, it's a time-consuming process to get one for an "ordinary" passenger. If Snowden has left the airport building (I don't think I'll run into him washing in the bathroom and sleeping on some seats), he would at least need a transit visa, which isn't much easier to get.
Bottom line -- the Russians knew he was coming in advance, invited him in, and in all probability have him tucked away at a hotel or other facility outside the terminal.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)But I suppose the pathetic commies over in russia haven't discovered newegg yet.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in our country?
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)Snowden is bound to be at an embassy and the story will be he went there under diplomatic immunity, imo
I think it's the Venezuelan embassy, two people were seen exiting the airport before others and were picked up by a diplomatic vehicle sporting ecuadoran or venzuelan plates according to a Russian journalist.
I think they are on shakey ground obviously with that and the refugee document wasn't even signed so that was bogus.
The whole thing is a Wikileaks game facilitated by Putin who gains by creating a distraction from the trial of his enemies over ... civll rights issues in Russia, going on now.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)I wonder how long Russia will let him stay there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The phrase "too clever by half" comes to mind. About the only place they could stash him, aside from somewhere in Russia (in an embassy, or maybe as Gerard Depardieu's "computer guy" is in Cuba. Cuba, though, might not like that, as they inch towards normalization with USA as Fidel gets older and frailer.
Venezuela and Ecuador have to make a decision about their trade relations with the US. They make up only a small percentage of the US portfolio, but we make up a massive percentage of theirs. I'm betting that John Kerry has already told his counterparts in those nations that there will be serious consequences in the whole tariffs/trade theater if they try to harbor Runaway Ed.
If you see him, ask him how his Russian language lessons are going! He might need them...!
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)so they can curry favor with the left in Latam, and the rest of el mundo.
Correa figured he wasn't going to get the trade deal removed anyway, and then Sen. Menendez shot off his mouth threatening them .. add pride .. Snowden has a new home
ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)Why would the left here in the USA have a problem with the left in Latin America?
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)because yes it's more than the left in Latin America
MADem
(135,425 posts)He also knows that if he turns his back on US trade with preferential tariffs, that there will be increased unemployment in his country. I think there's still some discussion going on--the fist waving and drama are all for the cameras.
One way it could be made to work for him is if China does some SERIOUS debt forgiveness (he owes them a bundle). I can't see them doing that (though it could happen)--they like having people over a barrel. They also like a bit of tension, the tug and yank of economic interests intersecting.
Someone has to step up and tell Correa "Hey dude, we'll buy your roses and broccoli and bananas and so forth," and they'd better do it on the same or similar terms as USA does, otherwise there will be adverse effects in Ecuador. For us, it's not a big deal--we can find other outlets for what Ecuador sells us. I will say they provide very good product, reliable, well packaged, nicely shipped, no e-coli or other recall problems, so we do benefit as well, but we aren't up against it the way they are.
If they "take" Snowden, they may well just shove him in the trunk and take him to the Moscow Embassy. Then he can compare notes with his 'pal' Julian (who keeps trying to steal his limelight) about who has the nicest room at the Hotel Ecuador!!!
The only way Cuba would do it, I agree, is if someone stepped up to the plate and replaced the cash that flows to their island by way of US people-to-people programs, the limited trade we do with them on a humanitarian basis, and the money sent by family members back to the island. That latter piece is problematic--people now are allowed to send money home to their family, and they wouldn't want to have to go back to the old "sneak it out through Canada/Mexico" routine of years past.
I wonder if Snowden has run out of underwear, yet, and has had to use the sink in the men's room to do his laundry? Such a glamorous life 'in transit' ... ugh !
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)1. have a ticket to transit zone airport.
2. have a ticket to somewhere from transit zone airport, for example Havana.
3. get off airplane at transit zone airport.
4. don't get on airplane to somewhere from transit zone airport.
Please keep this information to yourself. It is highly confidential.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)He's not there. It's a small hotel and there's a ton of reporters watching all movement there.
They've warped the rules again and have him in an embassy where he can be more comfy imo
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)flamingdem
(39,314 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)However, just as he precipitously decided to leave Hong Kong, once he got to Moscow he decided not to go on to Ecuador.
Possibly he thought that the Cubans would not guarantee safe passage. Possibly he thought that Ecuador would not grant asylum once he arrived.
Either he got cold feet, or possibly Moscow was his intended destination as a second choice after Beijing.
It's hard to tell who's using who in this drama. Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden each have their own interests. Not that the Wikileaks legal team are not representing Snowden. We haven't heard from Sarah Harrison, nor from Assange recently. And Greenwald and the Guardian seem to have been cut out of the action by the South China Morning Post some days ago.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)My guess is that the transit zone is a convenience and that the plan from the outset, negotiated with the russians in advance was to go to moscow and stay there for "a while". We've shit on Russia since the collapse of the USSR. Payback is a bitch.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)He was probably encouraged to believe this by Greenwald and Poitras. Recall also that he and his girlfriend made and earlier trip, and he could have scouted out sympathetic groups in Hong Kong at that time. These would tend to encourage him, particularly if they did not actually know who he was or the scope of what he would reveal.
When he found out that asylum in Hong Kong was unlikely, he began improvising with the help of Wikileaks. Since then, his decision making has deteriorated in the face of ever poorer options.
Cha
(297,463 posts)Because none of this makes any sense to me.
longship
(40,416 posts)It really is the only thing that makes sense and is in line with the reportage.
We really have not heard from Assange or Harrison in a few days. So, inevitably in that vacuum people are beginning to make shit up. I presume we'll next read here that Snowden's getting his fingernails pulled out for his pass phrases while Putin himself Hoovers his laptops and thumb drives. I have heard nearly as much here.
I have no patience for wild speculations. It's okay to say I don't know.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Perhaps the lawyer saw the difference between receiving classified materials and distributing it...?
This is the whole piece from the below-cited link:
MADRID--Spanish lawyer Baltasar Garzon said Wednesday he had turned down a request to join the legal advisory team of U.S. intelligence leaker Edward Snowden.
In a short statement by his law firm ILOCAD SL, the former judge said he would continue to serve as senior legal council for WikiLeaks and to represent its founder Julian Assange "in the defense of the fundamental right to freedom of information and expression."
Mr. Snowden, who is wanted by the U.S. for allegedly leaking details of U.S. domestic and international surveillance operations, is currently believed to be holed up in an airport transit zone in Moscow.
He has formally requested asylum in Ecuador, and the country has already said it would consider the request.
Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/spanish-lawyer-garzon-says-decided-not-to-represent-snowden-20130626-00644#ixzz2XUqtARTF
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)without a special visa.
FarCenter
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pnwmom
(108,990 posts)You will note that the rates they quote are for 4-hr. stays.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)along with about 500 other ones!
MADem
(135,425 posts)The following articles are all from the Voice of Russia, which might as well be called The Mouth of Putin...but whatever:
It has been confirmed that fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden had holed up at an airside capsule hotel at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, but has recently moved out, Russian media say.
He [Snowden] spent several hours here, but he checked out long ago, reporters were informed at the reception desk of Sheremetyevos Air Express Hotel in Terminal E.
According to the source with the hotel staff, a group of journalists settled down at this base hotel almost at the same time as Snowden did, but the whistleblower managed to avoid them.
Another informed source told Russias RIA-Novosti news agency Snowden still remains in the airports transit area.
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_06_26/Snowden-moved-out-of-Sheremetyevo-airport-capsule-hotel-8480/
A former CIA employee, Edward Snowden, believed to have been staying in the Sheremetyevo airport transit area, may have obtained a transit Russian visa thats valid for 72 hours, a source thats familiar with the situation has told the RIA-Novosti news agency.
If transit passengers have a ticket to fly to another destination, as well as visas to enter third countries they may get a transit Russian visa. If Snowden is in possession of such documents, he has the right for a transit Russian visa at a consular service, right at the airport, and he may have done this, the source said.
According to the RIA-Novosti news agency, Snowden has twice reserved tickets for the Moscow-Havana flight, for June 24th and 25th . But he was not found aboard the plane the first time, while reservation for Tuesdays flight was removed just hours before the takeoff. A document allowing the entry to a third country could be a refugee document to enter Ecuador that the Ecuadorean authorities have given him, something the WikiLeaks whistle-blowing website, which provides Snowden with legal support, reported earlier.
Under Russian law, foreigners may get a transit Russian visa at Russian Foreign Ministry consular offices abroad, but in an emergency, they may likewise get such visas at the expressly set-up consular points at Sheremetyevo or Domodedovo airports.
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_06_26/Snowden-may-get-Russian-transit-visa-source-0878/
Snowdens US passport has been annulled, he carries no other documents proving his identity, so he is compelled to stay at the airports transit zone, since he cannot either enter Russia, or buy a flight ticket, the source said.
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_06_26/Snowden-stays-transit-area-of-Sheremetyevo-because-his-passport-was-revoked-source-2715/
U.S. National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden did not stay at the capsule hotel of Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport but only entered there for a couple of minutes to ask for the prices, an airport employee said.
"Yes, I saw Snowden, he stopped by here to see the pricelist but decided not to stay here. He is not here now, either," an employee from the capsule hotel's reception in Sheremetyevo's terminal E said. "Someone just pulled this hoax, and everybody believed it," she said.
The hotel is comprised of slightly more than 40 small rooms looking like capsules, some of them without windows. Each room has a bed, a table, a shower cabin and a WC.
None of the Sheremetyevo employees could say anything about Snowden's current whereabouts.
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_06_27/Snowden-did-not-stay-at-Sheremetyevo-Airports-capsule-hotel-employee-0366/
It's really a game of Where's Waldo....who knows what the deal is? Maybe he's hiding in a stall in the airport crapper, sitting on the throne, clicking away at his laptop...?
H2O Man
(73,579 posts)of them!
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)... and old Soviet Union made dire, impotent threats to anyone harboring them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Lee Harvey Oswald defected, married, lived there for awhile, came home, and killed JFK.
There were a few others as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_defectors_to_the_Soviet_Union
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)flamingdem
(39,314 posts)kicked around, yet
elleng
(131,032 posts)Makes sense. That's probably where he's been hanging out.
Wouldn't take them very long to get him Transit Visa, when he was in 'limbo' in HK, probably, if ruskies wanted to do so.
MADem
(135,425 posts)about the price, and then didn't take the room.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Beyond the hotel and shops and lounges accessible to the public from the transit zone corridor, there are quite a lot of "behind the scenes" areas not available to the public: areas where security or pilots or flight crews or other workers might have lounges or perhaps even overnight accommodations
The Russians may have him stashed there. Or they might have spirited him out of the airport completely. Or maybe it's all part of a bigger game, and he never went to Russia