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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:02 AM Jun 2013

Giant, oil-belching sinkhole dooms more than 100 homes in Louisiana


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Giant, oil-belching sinkhole dooms more than 100 homes in Louisiana
By John Upton

It’s looking like a neighborhood in Assumption Parish, La., has been permanently wiped out by a sloppy salt-mining company.

A sinkhole in the area has grown to 15 acres since an old salt mine that was emptied to supply the local petrochemical industry with brine began collapsing in August. Hundreds of neighbors were long ago evacuated, and many of them are now accepting that they will never return to their homes.

The sinkhole isn’t just endangering homes, it is also burping out oil, natural gas, and debris, shaking the area so powerfully that seismic equipment is being used to monitor the site. And brine from the sinkhole is in danger of contaminating local waterways. This thing is so big it even has its own Facebook page.... MORE at link (includes photo)
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Giant, oil-belching sinkhole dooms more than 100 homes in Louisiana (Original Post) theHandpuppet Jun 2013 OP
Some corporations never learn. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #1
they don't want to learn. cali Jun 2013 #17
They learn when the lesson is painfully expensive. We just have a government that is not willing Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #19
Oh, they have learned, that they will never be held fully accountable for the Cleita Jun 2013 #24
The destruction is a mere "externality" after all. arcane1 Jun 2013 #26
They learn if strong laws exist to make companies and their executives pay with stiff fines and bluestate10 Jun 2013 #28
Five will get you ten that the "sloppy salt mining company" long ago sold their assets .... Scuba Jun 2013 #2
nope, still in business. 2nd-largest in US, out of texas. some interesting connections -- HiPointDem Jun 2013 #15
Many of the owners of these companies live far away and they are also believers in the End Times jwirr Jun 2013 #3
Nailed it. That's their default excuse for screwing people and the planet. freshwest Jun 2013 #13
An excellent summary. Thank you. jwirr Jun 2013 #18
We wouldn't want to impose any burdensome regulations on the owners Doctor_J Jun 2013 #4
I hope you were joking. I suspect you were. Regulation that sets standards of conduct is bluestate10 Jun 2013 #30
Maybe they could sink Bobby Jindal here. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #5
The one thing that struck me. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #31
15 acres. secondvariety Jun 2013 #6
Not surprised. Big Oil doesn't give a shit about the environment or your homes sakabatou Jun 2013 #7
That is their motto. Someone should use it. glinda Jun 2013 #8
"don't care about nobody's homes--not if you have two legs or four, six or fifty" MisterP Jun 2013 #9
it's not an oil company. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #16
It's a mining operation, not a big difference. n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #23
except for the fact that it's not an oil company. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #25
They are all in each others pants. If you dig back, I mean if you really are interested, you Cleita Jun 2013 #27
The company owners will make their homes available for some of the displaced refugees NBachers Jun 2013 #10
But if you complain about it mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #11
The people responsible felix_numinous Jun 2013 #12
Lawyers need laws to back them up. If there are no laws regarding this Cleita Jun 2013 #22
All of the laws have been revoked by teabaggers like Jindal Doctor_J Jun 2013 #33
there are no laws, regulations or anything to help avoid this ? JI7 Jun 2013 #14
Apparently not. Cleita Jun 2013 #21
Tragic. If Ayn Randian Libertarians take over our government, this is what our Cleita Jun 2013 #20
Did I read this correctly? Jindal signed bills tightening regulations... madinmaryland Jun 2013 #29
Yeah. After the horse is out of the barn and has sprinted halfway across neighboring Texas. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #32
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
19. They learn when the lesson is painfully expensive. We just have a government that is not willing
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

to teach them the lessons. "Our" government goes to the other end of the scale and rewards their bad behavior.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
24. Oh, they have learned, that they will never be held fully accountable for the
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jun 2013

destruction they leave in their paths. Until we punish them so hard that it hurts, every time they destroy people's lives and the environment, they won't learn to be better citizens of our nation.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
28. They learn if strong laws exist to make companies and their executives pay with stiff fines and
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

jail time. Louisiana is a state where laws to stop companies from damaging the environment have been viewed as evil by state leaders and, unfortunately, by the population at large.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Five will get you ten that the "sloppy salt mining company" long ago sold their assets ....
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:29 AM
Jun 2013

... and are now either gone, or riddled with debt.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
15. nope, still in business. 2nd-largest in US, out of texas. some interesting connections --
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:32 AM
Jun 2013

between salt mining & oil.

family owned company of several generations with other business interests.

http://www.texasbrine.com/

http://www.unitedsalt.com/site/html/about.htm

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Many of the owners of these companies live far away and they are also believers in the End Times
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

so it does not matter because God will be back to clean it all up before He turns it over to them. They have forgotten that the same teachings that talk about end times also talks about the consequences of sin.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Nailed it. That's their default excuse for screwing people and the planet.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 04:49 AM
Jun 2013

Full fledged selfish until Jesus come back!

Of course, they didn't read about this:

The Sheep and the Goats

The Sheep and the Goats or "The Judgment of the Nations" is a discourse of Jesus recorded in the New Testament. It is sometimes characterized as a parable, although unlike most parables it does not purport to relate a story of events happening to other characters.

The common Futurist explanation of the discourse is that it tells of the Last Judgment, and the division of all the world's people into the blessed, on the Right Hand of God, who are welcomed by the Father to inherit the Kingdom and eternal life, and the cursed, who are cast into the eternal fire along with the Devil.

The division is entirely based on the acts of kindness and mercy done by people to their disadvantaged fellow people; Jesus identifies such kindness with kindness towards himself.

The conservative religious, the Calvinists that the GOP prefer, are essentially Social Darwinists or Randian in their treatment of the world and its people:

An alternative interpretation, put forward by Calvinist theologian John Gill, is that the disadvantaged spoken of are actually fellow Christians. Instead of the division between blessed and cursed being based on good works, it is based on one's response to the people and message of Christ's Church.

In other words, your self-serving belief system saves you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. We wouldn't want to impose any burdensome regulations on the owners
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

might be bad for business and job creation

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
30. I hope you were joking. I suspect you were. Regulation that sets standards of conduct is
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jun 2013

an absolute requirement for legitimate business. The problem is that polluters and business people that have no concerns about doing permanent damage to land, air and water have tended to get their way in some states due to corruption of those states leaders and ignorance of voters that keep those leaders in office.

The challenge is for businesses to realize that protecting the environment is not only the right thing to do, but actually improves the profitability of companies due to reduction in lawsuits and the absence of expensive environment recovery efforts to undo thoughtless and immoral polluting.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
31. The one thing that struck me.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jun 2013

Was Jindal signing legislation to hold polluters responsible after he has acted as one of their biggest enablers over his political career.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. They are all in each others pants. If you dig back, I mean if you really are interested, you
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jun 2013

might find the same multi-millionaires and billionaires are interchangeably sitting on the board of directors of said company. Sometimes there is an even more incestuous link, where one is a parent company of the other, but the relationship is buried under corporate charters and other obfuscating paperwork.

I personally am not that interested because I come out of the mining industry and they all pretty much operate in the same circles, whether they are mining, oil, copper, salt, coal, or precious metals etc. I already know that and that they are poorly regulated.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
12. The people responsible
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jun 2013

Should be made to live there. You broke it you bought it.. And pay $$$$ to the homeowners.

Where are all the lawyers? Is there ONE honest one left in this country? Sometimes I wonder.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. Lawyers need laws to back them up. If there are no laws regarding this
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jun 2013

and the companies involved did what was legal, they don't have much to base a lawsuit on. I wonder what Mike Papantonio's law firm, who is involved in environmental issues would have to say about it?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
33. All of the laws have been revoked by teabaggers like Jindal
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jun 2013

Piyish and scumbags like him have let oil, coal, mining and chemical companies turn their states into sewers and Petri dishes in the name of job creation. I would be surprised if they broke any laws at all.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
21. Apparently not.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jun 2013

I guess generations of Louisianans voting for Republicans to run their state have resulted in this.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. Tragic. If Ayn Randian Libertarians take over our government, this is what our
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jun 2013

whole nation would be up against because of a lack of regulation and environmental oversight.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
29. Did I read this correctly? Jindal signed bills tightening regulations...
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

"Gov. Bobby Jindal [on] Friday signed a slew of bills tightening regulations for underground cavern operators and written in response to a debris-filled sinkhole in the swamps of Assumption Parish." …

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
32. Yeah. After the horse is out of the barn and has sprinted halfway across neighboring Texas.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

Jindal is a phony.

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