"we don't need Iran, we should have built that pipeline to bring all that oil from Canada."

Doesn't really matter if it doesn't makes sense, cognitive dissonance is a way of life for them.

... and always lay it on anybody who talks about any action remotely military.

I point out that... no matter how old or fat or whatever they are... the war is gonna be big enough and long enough that they'll be in it!

I of course point out that I already did my war, but will gladly wave goodbye to them as they ship out.

Then we wouldn't be in this mess.


Or if Reagan hadn't defunded all the alternative energy expansion that had started under Pres. Carter then we would be 30 years further along toward energy independence.



There are plenty of things to counterattack (R)s with if they want to talk about energy. That pipeline is just a distraction and would take years to build. Ask them why Bush didn't get the thing built. Or why we don't just build refineries up near the boarder instead of piping it all the way to the Gulf. Or the fact that gasoline exports are now at an all time high.

They are just focused on the latest shiny object that has been dangled in front of them.

When debating a Barstool Republican there is so much ammo available it's no wonder they memorize sports stats and American Idol standings. still, I often run into one that just came from a viewing of Hannity's America and discovers the show's talking points don't play as well outside a closed studio.

When the pipeline comes up it's a good cause to resort to conspiracy theory, as in "maybe they're just raising the price of oil until taxpayers build a pipeline for them to profit on".

Good ones though Johnny.

the oil industry to reopen the refineries they just shut down because of over supply.

Similar in magnitude to today's. If they want to run with that; fair enough. If not, they can shut their pie-holes.

Do you really think they give a flying fluck regardless? They'll spin a dollar/gallon drop in prices into some RW agenda, like say hurting big oil's profits or such, or that Obama is pandering to the country.

The hell with 'em. 3/4ths of the far-right will be dead from old age within the next half-dozen years.

meet demand? It seems to need state intervention for claims of imminent domain, subsidies, loan guarantees, govt. insurance (when the private sector refuses to insure a risky venture). Why is White House leadership needed? I thought Republican believed in the market to solve problems.

I already smell massive hypocrisy

Let me guess Bush is a monster but you're Republican friends who support George Bush are called friends

And your republican family members are called loved ones
how can Bush be a monster and a family member that holds the same exact views be called a loved one ?

I am so sick of this hypocrisy

This issue makes nearly every Democrat a hypocrite

based solely on their political ideology!

I was just making a point that anybody with a republican friend or family member that they actually treat as an equal and show respect to is a hypocrite

I noticed this quite a lot that Bush is called a monster but a family member who supports all of Bush's views is called a loved one now how can that be ?

Just pointing out hypocrisy

if you decide who to treat as an equal and show respect to based on ideology, but then make exceptions for friends and family. I treat my brother as an equal and have a lot of respect for him personally, though I don't agree with him politically on very much. There may be many reasons I can be considered a hypocrite, but I don't see this as one of them.

You don't have to agree with your brother politically

But if he holds the same views as Bush and Cheney DeMent etc. .... and we all know that they deserve zero respect , then where does that leave you?

because they are politicians in positions of power. If * or Cheney were the local baseball coach or bartender, and had the same political views, it wouldn't necessarily disqualify them from being my friend or gaining my respect (for non-political reasons). I'd be a hypocrite if I supported my brother and he was president, but he's not. If he ran, I wouldn't support him. Most people's only "relationship" with a president IS political, so if we disagree there, I won't respect them. My relationship with friends and family exists on many levels, and personal political beliefs is NOT the overriding factor.

" Bush and Cheney and etc... deserve zero respect because of their policical views"
because they are politicians in positions of
power. If * or Cheney were the local baseball coach or bartender, and had the same political views, it wouldn't necessarily disqualify them from being my friend or gaining my respect"

And that makes you a hypocrite.

is that I have different criteria for respect for people that I personally know and people that I don't personally know? That's what makes me a hypocrite? By that definition, I guess we are all hypocrites, and I'm fine with that.

On second thought (on edit):
There are many ways one can gain my respect. People I know have many different ways they can do it, because I can interact with them and see what they do. People I don't know (celebrities, politicians, etc...) only have one way to do it. Could a politician, outside of politics, do something that would make me respect (or not respect) them? Sure, but I probably wouldn't know about it and therefore it wouldn't carry any weight with me. My standard is consistent, the only variable is the opportunities various people have to gain my respect. As long as my standard is consistent, I don't see the hypocrisy.

By buying my groceries at Giant, I can save 40 cents per gallon at the local Shell station. Doesn't that seem like the real price should be 40 cents lower?

Didn't the US just have the mildest winter on record? Shouldn't there be a surplus of heating oil?

The high gas prices are the latest version of tne Enron Energy Crisis.

It would not flow our way even with no sanctions.

In regards to higher gas prices, wouldn't OPEC's death grip be more of a cause for this issue?