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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 09:56 PM Jul 2013

POLL: The best word to describe Edward Snowden this week is...


The best word to describe Edward Snowden this week is...

8 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Weasel
0 (0%)
Liar
0 (0%)
Criminal
0 (0%)
Hacker
0 (0%)
Spy
0 (0%)
Traitor
3 (38%)
Idiot
0 (0%)
Asshole
1 (13%)
Other
3 (38%)
All of the above (except for other).
1 (13%)
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POLL: The best word to describe Edward Snowden this week is... (Original Post) Tx4obama Jul 2013 OP
Clown. n/t Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #1
"Clown" is good...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #26
Patriot - Same as last week usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #2
And Paul Revere is spinning in his grave. baldguy Jul 2013 #36
Free Savannahmann Jul 2013 #3
Free to move about a limited area at a Russian airport. MH1 Jul 2013 #9
More space at that airport than in a tiny prison cell. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #14
Ron Paul says they are going to kill him with a drone. arely staircase Jul 2013 #16
He did? What an idiot! You have a link for that? I want to tweet it. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #19
here arely staircase Jul 2013 #20
Thanks! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #22
What, no "all of the above"? jazzimov Jul 2013 #4
I'll add that one :) n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7
President Correa of Ecuador just called him a spy flamingdem Jul 2013 #5
Is "Other" not the choice you were aiming for in your push poll? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #6
Diversion leftstreet Jul 2013 #8
WHO? nt. graham4anything Jul 2013 #10
Gullible, vulnerable, patsy Whisp Jul 2013 #11
Comrade. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #12
You forgot: awesome. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #13
Spartacus arely staircase Jul 2013 #15
Other: F__ked hlthe2b Jul 2013 #17
Other: It's Not about Walt Disney...... Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #18
I see lots of words... 99Forever Jul 2013 #21
+1,000,000! im1013 Jul 2013 #30
Me 3 dkf Jul 2013 #31
So true! nt Live and Learn Jul 2013 #33
Gee, it looks like most people don't like most of your choices... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #23
Why don't you do that poll. I believe 3rd party meta-data is NOT protected by the 4th amendment Tx4obama Jul 2013 #24
prove where meta data is not personal data... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #25
Reasonable Expectation of Privacy Tx4obama Jul 2013 #27
Un-fucking real... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #28
From the same link above... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #29
I love the disclaimer from the SSD Project web site you used... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #32
Are you referring the to ... 99Forever Jul 2013 #34
I suspect that he's always been a douchebag. baldguy Jul 2013 #35
 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
2. Patriot - Same as last week
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
14. More space at that airport than in a tiny prison cell.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jul 2013

Especially given the cruel and unusual punishment doled out to traitors like Bradley Manning. If your choice is that airport, or an all concrete cell in a supermax, take the airport.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
20. here
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jul 2013

WASHINGTON -- Former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) warned Tuesday that the U.S. government may use a drone missile to kill Edward Snowden, who recently leaked classified information on National Security Administration surveillance programs.

"I'm worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile," Paul said during an interview on Fox Business News. "I mean, we live in a bad time where American citizens don't even have rights and that they can be killed. But the gentleman is trying to tell the truth about what's going on."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/ron-paul-edward-snowden_n_3424408.html

leftstreet

(36,117 posts)
8. Diversion
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jul 2013

Useful media diversion while the wealthy elite and their political envoys continue to ram it to us

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
21. I see lots of words...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jul 2013

... in your flamebait poll that accurately describe someone and it sure as fuck isn't Snowden.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. Gee, it looks like most people don't like most of your choices...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jul 2013

That makes it pretty worthless.

Keeping the eye on the ball, you aren't, as the story of "Snowden" has over-shadowed what we should all be talking about, which is the story of how the United States is nothing to those who value individual rights, including the right to privacy.

Why don't you do a more useful poll on how well we value that right?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
24. Why don't you do that poll. I believe 3rd party meta-data is NOT protected by the 4th amendment
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jul 2013

... which is also the opinion of more than one Court.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
25. prove where meta data is not personal data...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jul 2013

and I'll show you the 4th amendment again.

Why don't you just admit you couldn't be bothered with such a poll, as the subject is not in your interests.

How's that nose ring fit? Did you get measured for it?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. Reasonable Expectation of Privacy
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jul 2013


The Fourth Amendment only protects you against searches that violate your reasonable expectation of privacy. A reasonable expectation of privacy exists if 1) you actually expect privacy, and 2) your expectation is one that society as a whole would think is legitimate.

This rule comes from a decision by the United States Supreme Court in 1967, Katz v. United States, holding that when a person enters a telephone booth, shuts the door, and makes a call, the government can not record what that person says on the phone without a warrant. Even though the recording device was stuck to the outside of the phone booth glass and did not physically invade Katz’s private space, the Supreme Court decided that when Katz shut the phone booth’s door, he justifiably expected that no one would hear his conversation, and that it was this expectation — rather than the inside of the phone booth itself — that was protected from government intrusion by the Fourth Amendment. This idea is generally phrased as "the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places."

A big question in determining whether your expectation of privacy is "reasonable" and protected by the Fourth Amendment arises when you have "knowingly exposed" something to another person or to the public at large. Although Katz did have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the sound of his conversation, would he have had a reasonable expectation of privacy in his appearance or actions while inside the glass phone booth? Probably not.

Thus, some Supreme Court cases have held that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in information you have "knowingly exposed" to a third party — for example, bank records or records of telephone numbers you have dialed — even if you intended for that third party to keep the information secret. In other words, by engaging in transactions with your bank or communicating phone numbers to your phone company for the purpose of connecting a call, you’ve "assumed the risk" that they will share that information with the government.

-snip-

Full page here: https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/privacy


MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
28. Un-fucking real...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:32 AM
Jul 2013

"The Fourth Amendment only protects you against searches that violate your reasonable expectation of privacy. A reasonable expectation of privacy exists if 1) you actually expect privacy, and 2) your expectation is one that society as a whole would think is legitimate. "

Is it news to you that we expect privacy under the constitution and that "we" is a society as a whole?

WTF?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
29. From the same link above...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jul 2013

-snip-

Records stored by others. As the Supreme Court has stated, "The Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the obtaining of information revealed to a third party and conveyed by him to Government authorities, even if the information is revealed on the assumption that it will be used only for a limited purpose and the confidence placed in the third party will not be betrayed." This means that you will often have no Fourth Amendment protection in the records that others keep about you, because most information that a third party will have about you was either given freely to them by you, thus knowingly exposed, or was collected from other, public sources. It doesn’t necessarily matter if you thought you were handing over the information in confidence, or if you thought the information was only going to be used for a particular purpose.

-snip-

https://ssd.eff.org/your-computer/govt/privacy

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
32. I love the disclaimer from the SSD Project web site you used...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jul 2013

"Legal disclaimer: This guide is for informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice. EFF's aim is to provide a general description of the legal and technical issues surrounding you or your organization's computer and communications security, and different factual situations and different legal jurisdictions will result in different answers to a number of questions. Therefore, please do not act on this legal information alone; if you have any specific legal problems, issues, or questions, seek a complete review of your situation with a lawyer licensed to practice in your jurisdiction."

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
34. Are you referring the to ...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:48 AM
Jul 2013

... "the Courts" that made Dubya, President?

That tells us corporations are people?

That money is speach?

That let O J Simpson walk for murder?

That just gutted the Voting Rights Act?

That those wonderful "more than one Court" you are talking about?

Oh, and btw, virtually EVERY tyrannical, murdering dictator in recorded history, had "the Courts" to justify every thing they did.

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