and discarded using the stand your ground defense.

stand your ground throughout the country. There are a million threads about the details of the trial, if that's what interests you.

As the article makes clear, Stand your Ground Laws change the burden for the prosecution of killers who claim self defense.

I was just under the impression that George (Trayvon's killer) was claiming self defense and not stand your ground. So of SYG was protecting George (Trayvon's killer) then I wonder why he isn't using it in the trial (which you brought up).

Zimmerman isn't using "stand your ground" as a defense, therefore stating "The NRA Wants the Law Protecting Trayvon Martin's Killer in All 50 States", then identifying that law as "stand your ground" is factually incorrect..

which were undoubtedly hashed out over a year ago right here would help..

the blessed NRA, you mean. The ALEC NRA cabal is still working to extend Stand Your Ground laws throughout the country. The point is as relevant as ever.

You have issues.

"The NRA Wants the Law Protecting Trayvon Martin's Killer in All 50 States"

This has nothing to do with the Zimmerman trial. It was part of the conversation 18 months ago when the article came out, but hasn't been relevant for months...posting OPs pretending this is germane to the conversation now isn't truthful.

SYG was why the prosecutors initially didn't indict Zimmerman and why he wasn't subject to arrest.

pulled out his gun and shot Travon in the back, Zimmerman claiming stand your ground or self defense wouldn't have stopped prosecution. No, the investigation wasn't yielding information helpful for the prosecution of any criminal statute...even when Zimmerman was charged it was based on public outcry not the facts of the case. If prosecutors would have charged him with manslaughter the same public would have gone ballistic, but prosecutors may be looking at a likely win right now instead of what they are looking at..

Oh, and grand juries "indict", prosecutors "charge" or "prosecute" in most states..just fyi..

look who you're arguing with.

won't admit magazine and clip are pretty much same thing, same function of feeding bullets to gun lover's man card.

Unbelievable logic by the few, the proud, the rabid gun control faction..why the hell don't people just die like good victims, huh?

So, then, the article is in error. And by not putting the title of the article in quotes, you are claiming for yourself the error.

Frankly, I want more violent criminals stopped during the commission of their crimes. Don't you?

But it also begs the question of "Mother Jones"... how well do they grasp the fundamentals of the case, if at all?


That's on MoJo, not you.

that I came across. I noted in the intro that it's worth revisiting because of the case, but the issue is the NRA's efforts to expand Stand Your Ground. Clearly that law was at issue in the case, even though the defense isn't relying on it. It explains why the prosecutors didn't indict in the first place.

"It explains why the prosecutors didn't indict in the first place."

I suspect however their failure to charge him early had more to do with the witnesses we are seeing now failing to make a winnable case than anything else..

If the killer had been a black man and the victim white, what do you think would have happened?

cited SYG for the reason he wasn't going to indict.

I'm not a person who can sit around and watch a trial on TV all day. I'm waiting for the final verdict. I think the larger issues about SYG are more significant anyway, since so many more lives could be effected.

just what I pick up here..It's true that the SYG was cited early in the investigation...about the time this article was published.. Then was used as the reason for not charging him. The real reason for not charging him were that the facts of the case, including witness accounts, weren't revealing a criminal act..at least not the act of murder which is what the vocal were demanding..

that the police and prosecutors were having trouble coming up with an angle for prosecution which was likely to prevail. I've worked on enough defense cases and watched prosecutors enough to know that they are eager to prosecute crime if they know or believe they can get a conviction, they will usually prosecute if they think there is even a fair chance of conviction. The failure to prosecute for several days after it became apparent that the public pressure based on viral media coverage was going to be great, indicated a lack of evidence. Now that the prosecution has made their case, I haven't heard a single account of a single witness (including first responders, forensics, etc.) being damning in any way..the prosecutor could see this way back when people were wailing for action immediately after it happened..thus his reluctance to charge Zimmerman.

He's running with a normal self-defense case.

I know you need some emotional support but you should at least be a little honest.

I'd bet an awful lot of old feuds have been settled and hate crimes committed when nobody was looking.

or getting close, so it seems.

SYG owns a funeral home. He is also a rabid asshole repuke named Dennis Baxley.

everything seems to be about profits.

It's about the larger issue of SYG laws being pushed by the NRA.

It's the reason the prosecutors cited for not initially indicting Zimmerman.