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Corporate tentacles have strangled the life out of it. That sounds so cliched, but how else to put it? The Congress and the Presidency are constricted by corporate power. And the SCOTUS is the most "business friendly" of any SCOTUS since 1946, according to recent article I've read. The foundation of the power and control wielded by corporations is that politicians need corporate money to get elected and stay in office. From that, everything else flows. And flow it does, with money in the direction of politicians and favorable laws and rulings in the direction of corporations.
On the state level, matters are even more dire. ALEC has moved into state legislature after state legislature with their ready made bills that just need to be tweaked a bit to fit that particular state. And one ALEC by-product is the radical chopping away at abortion rights. Those behind ALEC probably don't really care about that, but republican state legislators do.
They keep us pacified with social issues, as another DUer pointed out in another thread, and no, I'm not saying that marriage equality and abortion rights aren't important, just that the ever cliched ptb use those issues to distract us.
Republicans are more obvious and there are democrats who aren't in thrall to corporate power. Republicans move things along more briskly. But democrats as a whole are also harnessed to the corporate behemoth.
I believe most dems want people to have healthcare and decent wages and that they support a sturdy safety net. Unfortunately, and maybe unwittingly, they do things that run counter to those issues.
Yes, it makes a difference who is elected President. If John Kerry had been elected, the Voting Rights Act would be intact. Citizens United wouldn't be the law of the land. If John McCain or that corporate poster boy Mitt had been elected, well, let's not even go there.
I'm not sure when exactly, we reached the tipping point? Under Clinton? Bush? Obama? I'm fairly sure we've tipped.
For all the differences, we've been moved along by both parties to this place and time, where corporate influence has grown to corporate control and with that we have lost our republic.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Make appointments that transfer 15 to 16 trillions of Main Street's wealth to the Big Financial firms, appointments that allow the Biggest Pollutant of cropland (formaldehyde levels in RoundUp sprayed wheat in the USA are now sky high!) to become an entity more powerful than the government itself (Monsanto now owns BlackWater!) and continue to claim we need to put all of our remaining wealth into Surveillance Programs while our infra structure and health system crumbles - and you too can be a Nobel Prize Winner.
But what can any one do? Like the Germans portrayed by Milton Mayer in "They Thought They Were Free," did in the Thirties, most Americans simply put their fists in their pockets and hope no one will notice their silent protest.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)would be brought. In that case, a moron brought charges. A jury rightly decided that the charges were ridiculous. Checks and balances. All part of our republic, and still functioning, too. The guy walks, because he was exercising his first amendment rights, and the jury recognized that, even though it was not allowed to come up in court.
That's why we have juries in our republic. It's in the Constitution, and is one of the safeguards we enjoy.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)the same criticism can probably be laid at cali's door, but it's not always wise to generalise from isolated cases.
You knew that, of course.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)The case itself was an abberation. If another, similar one appears, then a discussion of tre n ds can happen. One case with a logical result. The DA and the judge were morons. Morons abound.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Let's hope that the necessity to argue the point on whether a generalisation can be extracted never arises...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)writing an anti-bank message on the sidewalk. NO DEMOCRACY!
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)And, most importantly, one jury. Morons also are judges and DAs. One case says nothing about our system.
cali
(114,904 posts)but there is plenty of damning material that does.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I did not start this thread, though.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)As the surveillance state becomes more open about it...and people become concerned about opposing the state...you know, like in the USSR and China under Mao
Don't tell us it could not happen here...it is right before our eyes and yet some will ot see.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)There was some outsourcing and union bashing before him but he, or rather his handlers, opened the floodgates. Every President since has acted under the guidelines of Reagan and has practiced Reaganism. All of them. And our current leader is as bad if not worse than Reagan when it comes to corporatism, undermining American workers and dismantling and disposing of government workers.
We lost the country in November of 1980 by a landslide. 1984 sealed the deal with millions of middle class voters happily jumping off a cliff and willingly killing the future of their children.
cali
(114,904 posts)The corporations came roaring thru.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we are now living in. They had been caught, even prosecuted and indicted, and even convicted in some cases, yet they were rescued, and with the help of a Democrat. THAT should have been the clue that something needed to be done, quickly. And Nixon's gang of conspirators also, all were allowed to go free despite the treasonous actions they were involved in against this country.
And when you let a criminal go, they do what these criminals did, they do it again, and again. And they have and now there is NO Rule of Law that applies to them.
I blame the extreme partisans on both sides for were we are and I am sick to death of them, frankly.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)As they struggle to raise their own kids in this crappy economy. This country has been circling the drain since the Reagan years.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Not them individually but them collectively. Their whole generation, all blue collar union workers that fell for the welfare queen bullshit and voted for that son of a bitch.
They reluctantly agreed but said Carter was so bad that it was an easy mistake to make. It must have been, Reagan destroyed him in that election. Still, it's not an acceptable excuse.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)An ad for a school for troubled teens.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Amazing what can be accomplished with a ton of money and a fickle,willfully ignorant and disengaged voting public.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Add blind party loyalty to that.
"It's not wrong if MY guy does it!"
Examples abound.
RC
(25,592 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Our republic died a horrible, lingering death.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Establishment of a permanent war footing as the basis for the American economy led to massive explosion of private profits for companies providing the weapons and services for war...followed by a 25-year spending binge in Vietnam that enriched those companies beyond the dreams of avarice...so they bought into other areas (media, oil), bought congress, and the rest is history.
"National Security." Most successful sales pitch in history.
cali
(114,904 posts)thanks for adding that.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and why we've also had one of the worst social safety nets of any western Democracy.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Hm.
That's going to take some time, isn't it?
lark
(23,166 posts)It's never been the same. Corporate interests via the Felonious Five proved they could trump established law, even the constitution, by getting their boy announced as president without winning the votes.
It's all been downhill since then.
cali
(114,904 posts)90-percent
(6,829 posts)Where it would have been if General Smedley Butler had carried through on his assignment from the oligarchs to assassinate FDR.
-90% Jimmy
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)and achieved approximate fundraising parity with the gop. Republicans had traditionally had a fundraising advantage before then. We should build a time machine and go back to '92 and all change our primary votes to Tom Harkin or Dick Gephardt.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)point. He let the Koch brothers in through the DLC.
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)If our elected Democrats want to continue down the corporatist path we will have to start sinking their asses come primary time. The Democratic party is going to have to learn to fear their base more then they fear Wallstreet and people like the Koch brothers. We are going to have to let them know that if they don't support poor and middle class Americans we will vote them out. Just saying it isn't enough anymore or actions need to speak louder then the Koch brothers money.