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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the (Bay Area Rapid Transit) BART strike, whom do you support more, labor or management?
I'm making it easier for you. Voting in favor of one side or another doesn't make that side perfect, just that on balance, you agree or support that side more in this labor action.
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senseandsensibility
(17,164 posts)since they can do so anonymously. Of course many will do so proudly and announce it. Of course I voted for labor.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)you can see who voted which way.
I'm curious who will vote with management given that their name will be visible, a real 'line in the sand' type of moment.
brooklynite
(94,789 posts)...because as someone who works for a public transportation agency, I can understand the following points:
* Public agencies don't WANT to deny money to their employees
* And, neither do they have "profit sharing" among the executives
* They DO have to balance their budgets
* To increase salaries for labor, they need to either cut operating expenses (and cutting management salaries won't do it), increase fares (affecting the riders) or receive more local subsidies (out of their control)
If you want, feel free to yell "waste, fraud & abuse": it's the favored line of Republicans opposed to public transportation funding
(for purpose of clarification: I work for Management, and I haven't received a pay raise in four years.)
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)brooklynite
(94,789 posts)I'm saying it's not the role of a PUBLIC transportation agency to decide on what workers "deserve". It's their job to provide public transportation services as cost-effectively as possible. Perhaps your anger should be directed at the localities that provide 25% of BART's operating funds: City of San Francisco (Democratic); Alameda County (Democratic); San Mateo County (Democratic), Contra Costa County (Democratic).
I'll also observe that the BART Board is directly elected by the residents of the service Counties. Ultimately, a Union contract will need to be approved by the Board. How well are they representing the workers?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)brooklynite
(94,789 posts)...I'm opposed to public Unions striking for something the public Agency is unable to provide.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The people who are vocal about disliking workers standing up are usually proud if their views. Union-hating is considered edgy for some.
marlakay
(11,512 posts)We know all about how management gives themselves hefty raises over the years no matter what they did to either employees or riders.
We have already had them change some things we were promised on retirement.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)or the votes would be far closer.
but that BART goes full court press on its staff in the public arena, as well as a top down management style that leaves their staff in the dark when there are problems, probably just piss the workers off so much that the workers have zero trust in the agency.
fast forward to the pay raise offered and it turns out it has a bunch of contingencies in which case BART will not award the raise.
1) the staff can't possibly trust this agency to follow through on the raise in good faith
2) the staff must be really, really pissed off that it appears BART wants credit for offering a higher, but still low, raise that it has no intention to pay on.
i still remember how when they were getting ready to put up new station signs in downtown SF, they took down all the station signs on the platform (so you couldn't tell which station you were at). though i and others complained immediately and the agents contacted their management, and even their person on Twitter responded wanting to help, it took almost a full week to even put up paper signs.
FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)I'm going to side with Lisa. She almost always seems to know what she's doing.
senseandsensibility
(17,164 posts)Thanks for lightening the mood.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But solidarity is not a death pact, and there have been strikes I didn't support.