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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts) Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:43 AM Jul 2013

A Zimmerman question: When TM is heard screaming for help on the 911 tape,

in the prosecution's version of events, what is happening?

For example, is there a struggle for the gun? Is Zim just pointing it at him and saying lines from movies like "do you feel lucky punk?" or what?

I am following the trial but maybe I missed this.

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A Zimmerman question: When TM is heard screaming for help on the 911 tape, (Original Post) KurtNYC Jul 2013 OP

It is disgusting libodem Jul 2013 #1

The defense claims that Zim is the one screaming because TM is suffocating him KurtNYC Jul 2013 #2

That's what I thuoght was damaging about Serinos testimony to the defense. Serino brought up uponit7771 Jul 2013 #3

I think you answered your own question: Myrina Jul 2013 #4

But my question is why is TM screaming for help until the gun shot is heard? KurtNYC Jul 2013 #5

I'm sure he thought he was being stalked ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #6

GZ is **AIMING** nt LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #7

Here is my thinking on this... Spazito Jul 2013 #8

libodem

(19,288 posts)

1. It is disgusting

Reply to KurtNYC (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:55 AM

Jul 2013

That Zimmerman, claims that it is he, whom is screaming because he feels so threatened.
So if we are to believe this version, he simultaneously is in pursuit, yet crying and begging for his life. Maybe he should be remanded into custody for treatment of his split personality problem. What a pathetic little liar.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)

2. The defense claims that Zim is the one screaming because TM is suffocating him

Reply to libodem (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:16 AM

Jul 2013

and bashing his head on the concrete which doesn't really fit with the audio.

But my honest question is still: what is the defense's theory on what is happening when TM is screaming for help? The only thing that seems to fit would be that he is trying to keep Zim from pointing the gun at him, wrestling basically, and then the screams end when the shot is heard, so TM loses the wrestling match and Zim gets the gun square up in the middle of his chest.

But I have not heard the prosecution say anything like this.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)

3. That's what I thuoght was damaging about Serinos testimony to the defense. Serino brought up

Reply to KurtNYC (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:17 AM

Jul 2013

...the fact that he couldn't tell when Z was being smothered

Z's a damn liar

Myrina

(12,296 posts)

4. I think you answered your own question:

Reply to KurtNYC (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:19 AM

Jul 2013

"defense claims that Zim is the one screaming because TM is suffocating him and bashing his head on the concrete"

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)

5. But my question is why is TM screaming for help until the gun shot is heard?

Reply to Myrina (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:27 PM

Jul 2013

(according to the prosecution)

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)

6. I'm sure he thought he was being stalked ...

Reply to KurtNYC (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:48 PM

Jul 2013

by a molester or a skinhead racist with a gun. Pretty simple.

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)

7. GZ is **AIMING** nt

Reply to KurtNYC (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:50 PM

Jul 2013

Spazito

(50,495 posts)

8. Here is my thinking on this...

Reply to KurtNYC (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:09 PM

Jul 2013

Zimmerman came up behind Trayvon Martin and tried to detain him physically in order to hold him until the police arrived, Trayvon began to scream for help as they tumbled to the ground as he was being attacked by Zimmerman, a person he did not know and who had been following him first in a vehicle and then by foot. Trayvon fought back in some fashion and Zimmerman shot him.

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