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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe hyperbole is getting thick.
President Obama is "incompetent," an embarrassed "tyrant," leader of the evil and dying "empire," etc.
Just because countries are using the lastest incident to jockey for position, that doesn't mean these countries are somehow more virtuous. In fact, many of them are among the worst human rights violators (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112872)
Remember when many people were waving the fake travel document and snark by Ecuador's President Correa as the last word?
Ecuador to US: Go f*** yourself.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/27/1219373/-Ecuador-to-US-Go-f-yourself
Within days, the story unraveled.
Ecuador threatens legal action against leaker of invalid travel document for Snowden
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114430
Ecuadoran President Correa Gives VP Biden An Earful
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023130093
No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another Ecuador has never done this."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-asylum-application-list-countries
Ecuador Defends Domestic Surveillance
Cléver Jiménez, a member of Ecuadors legislature who was sued in 2011 for libeling President Rafael Correa and was recently sentenced to 18 months in prison for the same offense, released a statement on Thursday criticizing the government for its involvement with Snowden and WikiLeaks in light of its own surveillance practices, calling them an attack on civilian security and the human rights of Ecuadoreans.
Jiménez called the situation with Snowden and Julian Assange, who has been living at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over a year, a smokescreen to distract the world and the country from the serious corruption of the government.
Jiménez criticized Correas government for the documents published by BuzzFeed, finding the letter related to a possible drone deal to be most alarming.
An alarming detail is that this last purchase is for the creation of drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, which are used for surveillance programs, Jiménez said.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ecuador-defends-domestic-surveillance
The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002311287272
Here we go again.
Why are countries still cooperating with the United States on Snowden?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023156720
Why Wont Anyone Take Edward Snowden?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023162351
Here's the deal: The same people who were pushing for President Obama to be primaried and impeached, calling for him to step down, and trying to convince people that he was going to lose big are still at it.
Here's my position: He is still the one of the best Presidents this country has ever had. Hands down.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)will you be posting here in opposition to such programs?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Wow, that is a shocker coming from you!
Logical
(22,457 posts)that he is not really a big fan of Obama.
Al least she didn't kick this post yet.
Only 4 links back to her own posts in this post. Lower than usual. Even though one of her links is invalid. LOL!
tridim
(45,358 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,082 posts)But haters gonna hate.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I'd appoint you to THAT tribunal right away if I ever get to rule on it... Think of all the fun!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)On this very American holiday!
May we all take time this weekend to marvel once again at this increadible, magnificent legacy of enumerated RIGHTS spelled out in OUR constituion that each and everyone of us inherited, and commit once again to do everything in our power to keep them!
Happy Independence Day to all my DU brothers and sisters, and to all my fellow citizens of this amazing country we all share.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Just who exactly do you think you are, some self appointed, self righteous, know it all, that gets to explain how the world "really" works to everyone, and not about to "entertain" another point of view that disagrees with your that you can dismiss, and reinterp their own views?
Well, get over yourself sister, and brace yourself for a tsunami of dissent and disagreement.
You are wrong all the ways to Sunday, and I will excersize my own voice to make it clear when you are.
Have a wonderful holiday and give thanks and praise to all the patriots who have sacrificed so much to ensure all our rights.
Good night.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"This much harder when your 'links' talk back & NO you don't get to put words in my mouth Just who exactly do you think you are, some self appointed, self righteous, know it all, that gets to explain how the world "really" works to everyone, and not about to "entertain" another point of view that disagrees with your that you can dismiss, and reinterp their own views? Well, get over yourself sister, and brace yourself for a tsunami of dissent and disagreement. "
...suggest you take your own advice: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3163280
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)and doesn't understand the difference between feeling self important and actually being important.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I guess "the patriots" has special meaning to you? And what rights? The right to come on a non-Puke board and bash the President because nodding like a parrot with like-minded 'patriots' is boring?
And what Three Trillion? The three trillion the Pukes say they need to slash from the budget mainly from social programs and not from the defense budget or pork spending.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)As well our rights that are enshrined and enumerated in our constitution then we are much further apart than I imagined.
2nd. If I am bashing Obama on here it should be easy to demonstrate that. Please don't conflate passionately arguing against an ill conceived, and illegal policy as an attack on the President, a man who I contributed time and money, and voted for twice, it is not only insulting, but it is factually untrue.
The 3 trillion, and counting, is what they are stealing from our SS.
So stop assuming, insulting, and snarking, your fellow DUers, so a real discussion may take place.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I can assume, insult and snark as I please. Bashing the President at every opportunity isn't a discussion, it's a job for many of you here.
I'm also so proud of your Democratic cred. It warms my heart to know how much you've devoted to the President yet makes you think it has earned you the right to come here and bash him.
You all make me laugh when you try to impress us, really.
And who is stealing?
Never mind, I figured you out, have a nice day patriot.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)figures
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's hyperbole and a half.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2011/04/wild-animal-simple-dog-goes-for-joy.html
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)to be able to stand against all those voo-doo pins in Obama dolls.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Though he pulled back and amended the original title, he was all to eager to co-opt the Tea Party's racist labeling to express his anger.
Two converging sides of the same coin, it seems.
As I've said, one will not need to go to FR to get an "Obama Body Count". Someone will post it here.
And fuck that, I say.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Still a few hours to go before midnight, but it's pretty unlikely that another post can pass this for "most ironic for the day".
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts). . . if you catch my drift.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)All this is is some mass hysteria caused by one guy saying 'it could happen'.
And HIS word is to be taken as gospel, apparently, by those who mistrust every single word and deed of the President.
The documents people keep talking about indicate what even Greenwald acknowledged: Individual data requests on U.S. citizens require a warrant, and the data has to be LIMITED by among other things, identity removal.
Someone needs to indicate the contrary, otherwise the hysterics seem more hysterical every day.
Oh, and do explain how the GOP hasn't seized on any illegality that can be linked to the Obama administration faster than you can say "impeach".
I stand by my position in opposition to the hysteria.
babylonsister
(171,070 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)That's not debatable, IMO.
If the health care exchange system effectively makes health care affordable for everyone who needs it, his cred goes way up.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)i learned that here in one of these threads!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"well he is definitely more progressive than Nixon or Bush."
...Nixon and Bush are "more progressive" than some of the pretend progressives lurking around, protesting too much and hiding behind their mean-spirited misrepresentations of the facts.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)and the rest of the world doesn't even know about DU or what is said here,
with like ten exceptions!
Number23
(24,544 posts)And then clean his house!1
ProSense
(116,464 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Honestly he is such a disappointment I don't have the energy to dislike him. Constitutional law professors aren't supposed to do what he is doing unless they are of the neocon persuasion. No words...
ProSense
(116,464 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Btw I'm to the left of Obama on health care. Canadian style single payer. Booya!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)dfk claims to be left of Obama?? HILARIOUS!
dkf
(37,305 posts)Obama is to the right of Hillary! He is definitely more authoritarian than I am.
"It's true...at least according to those political spectrum tests.
Obama is to the right of Hillary! He is definitely more authoritarian than I am."
...I highly doubt it.
Lara Logan: Was She Actually Raped?
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x435572
The birther thing is funny, but I wish Obama would release the original certificate and be done with
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=913697&mesg_id=913697
You've already admitted to being pro-bank and anti-Medicare (not a secret)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023163029#post30
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023163029#post33
Like I said, a lot of people (some Hillary fans) taking the opportunity to express faux outrage.
Hillary Clinton: China Damaged U.S. Relationship By Allowing Edward Snowden To Flee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023141794
babylonsister
(171,070 posts)you?
dkf
(37,305 posts)Only cynicism is left.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Same sycophant, different day.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Of the the things in my life, what happens in my life, comments on some website rate right up there which day I have to take the trash to the curb. I see your priorities are somewhat different.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)But then, since you obviously have nothing else to do...
... proceed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Thanks.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it
* A tip of the hat to PSPS, from whom I got the original list.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Distractivist Motto: Whatever you do, DON'T keep your eye on the ball!"
...the art of obfuscation: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3164138
Marr
(20,317 posts)You have coined a needed word.
QC
(26,371 posts)Don't forget that one. It's the dumbest of all, yet quite popular.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Some of the stuff I've seen here lately against the President I would expect to read on Yahoo and on the DailyPaul.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The Official Distractivist Talking Points*
1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it
* A tip of the hat to PSPS, from whom I got the original list.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023153903
...It's not about Snowden!!!
Cha
(297,285 posts)they smell blood and their fangs come out. They never get anywhere because Reality goes right on without them.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)This warrantless wire tapping and listening in on phone conversations have been happening for years. And wasn't it Dubya who Patriot Act fell under???? And wasn't it Shooter who was the gung ho guy at out sourcing to the max??? And under the Dubya?Shooter Administration Homeland Security was the biggest expansion of a Government agency???? And didn't under Dubya/Shooter have more people with security clearances than we have ever in our history??? When with the updated technology it should be less complex???? And am I wrong or have we had Senators and Congressmen leaking classified information???? But somehow this is supposed to rest on the shoulders of this President???? Funny how all of a sudden when Dubya let every under-handed thing that could go on, happen. And President Obama must be Master of the Universe. And just how is the President supposed to just go in and stop measures that were put in place by previous predecessors without going through some of the same procedures it took to put them in place. And wasn't the collection of the information only to be used in cases where they had suspects that they were trying to get a tracking history on???? Maybe I was the last 20 years
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)problem is , it's NOT
"you think it is funny"
...friggin hilarious.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)go peddle your bullshit elsewhere
"go peddle your bullshit elsewhere"
...this is my thread.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)that place was CREATED for people like you
"go to BOG that place was CREATED for people like you"
Sounds... hmmm, what's the word? Um...got it: "authoritarian."
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Amen!