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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswe just stop and frisked the president of Bolivia
and the Bolivians aren't appreciating it.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)other industrial nations that have many state secrets and terabytes of intelligence gathering do not want to condone whistle blower behavior. All of these EU nations want to make an example of Snowden too.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)The story is consistent.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I wonder how often that happens to Air Force one?
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)the Evil Obama Empire, even if evidence points to the contrary, because, yeah.
ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)It's the evilness of the 1% that owns this empire and most of it's politicians. You think we're looking at Obama when actually we're looking through him and looking at who's behind the curtain.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It's not like the plane can just fucking float around up there forever when it is denied access to airspace it previously planned on flying through.
Or did the French apologize for NOTHING?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/03/1221078/-France-Apologizes-For-Disrupting-Bolivian-President-s-Flight?detail=hide
Puglover
(16,380 posts)standard procedure when there is a maintenance issue on an airplane is to circle for 3 hours.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and we are running the governments of the other countries of the world, you may as well give it up. It looks like we are going to dominate the planet, you'll have to find another one to live on.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)refuse to deny the US orchestrated this. It would be an easy no, if it were true.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Is that they never have to be disproven. Find out it's just a gas gauge and you can just fold that into the conspiracy.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)'We' are apparently Austrian, although something tells me the OP doesn't know how to speak Hoch Deutsch, let alone the dialect in Vienna (Wien)
sibelian
(7,804 posts)At least pay the rest of us the simple courtesy of pretending to have read the bloody papers.
"All of these EU nations want to make an example of Snowden too" - the CHUTZPAH of this gibberish, it's the plain OPPOSITE of the truth.
If you're going to stink the board up with gobbledegook you could at least have the simple civility to ATTEMPT making it plausible.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)they are Big Brother personified.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I'm all ears.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)and Obama. get it?
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)about that government in the post war Big Brother years that have continued until this day.
And it is ludicrous to say the Rothschilds and Baron Von Moustaches of the world aren't just as interested in maintaining a security fortress as the U.S. is.
To imply the Europeans are FORCED by the U.S. to deny air space or otherwise coerce a head of state from South America is naive. They cooperate because they expect the same treatment when one of theirs goes rogue and starts spilling secrets.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)"cool story, bro"
pscot
(21,024 posts)or is it Googleized
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)This line bothers me greatly.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)BOOM: Austria says Morales' plane landed for fuel and audio from the plane confirms it (hahahaha)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023161401
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I believe they had to circle for hours. This has been what I have been reading since last night.
Peace, Mojo
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)If you go through the news reports it is all there.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)think that proves anything other than another stupid lie on this board about this story. Shame on you.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)sarcasm, trust me.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)It's hard to determine who's the butt of any intended humor here.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Brewinblue
(392 posts)That's a road map of the highways around Moscow.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The jokes, they write themselves!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Well played
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Do you even look at the pics you post???
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Is he just a big silly billy president making a storm in a teacup?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)"Chicken causes baldness and homosexuality"-Evo Morales
sibelian
(7,804 posts)waaaait
incidentally I'm bald(ish), gay and I eat chicken.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Weirdly, a lot of vegans are apparently OK with it because it probably really would solve the problem of the West's appetite for meat without any animals having to suffer......
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Having thought about it and tried to see if there's any sensible reason for it not to happen other than
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW HELL NO.
And I'm still trying to decide whether that in itself is a good enough reason. At the moment, in my head, it still is.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Logically, though, it just makes sense.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)It comes off as very bullyish and belligerent.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)one who the people of Bolivia actually like. Terrible.
treestar
(82,383 posts)FFS!
intaglio
(8,170 posts)This OP is just outrage addiction
1) The Bolivian plane reported a problem with it's fuel system (specifically a fuel gauge that was not working)
2) This is not an emergency and the Bolivian pilots did not declare an emergency
3) Because it was not an emergency airports do not have to disrupt their holding stacks and landing priorities
4) Various airports either did not have the facilities to for investigation or could not accommodate a non-emergency landing
5) The aircraft was told to return to an airport that had both room in its holding stack and facilities for investigation
6) France did not deny this aircraft access to its airspace
7) Spain did not refuse access to airspace
8) Portugal did not refuse access to airspace
9) ATCs would not give a reason for refusing access to holding stacks, the comment about Snowden is a fabrication by the Bolivians
10) Non-scheduled access to overcrowded holding stacks and landing facilities causes disruption and misery to thousands of people
... but of course reality does not enter the picture when you have a US President to defame
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)for we don't know what you are talking about bur if we did deny airspace it was not our fault.
If you actually look at the flight plans the aircraft already had approval for overflight, only turned round when the minor, non-emergency problem with the fuel gauge was discovered whilst the plane was still over Austria
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)But it is just about as speculative as it gets.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Just curious...
Enrique
(27,461 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Worse and worse.