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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAccording to your opinion, is the US justice system just?
I don't know a lot about justice, but people say it should be blind. However, in the US system, people can hire a team of excellent lawyers to help their position. The more money someone has, the better lawyers they can get, and the more likely they will get their way in court. Because of this, I don't think the US justice system is just.
What do you think?
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No, the US justice system is not just. | |
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The US justice system is not perfect, but it is mostly just. | |
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mahina
(17,693 posts)Between communities' ideas of what the police are for and will do, and the reality of both, there is a big giant gap.
At present, there is no way to close that gap, or even to get communities' expectations communicated to the police and legal apparatus. Not that the police would be responsive if they could, because they are underresourced for their roles as they define them, through choosing not to do some of what people expect of them.
I am not talking about all police, but making a generalization about departments based on my own and family members experiences over time. Roles have changed. Expectations, until people have occasion to interract with police, have not.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Skittles
(153,183 posts)I find it appalling how many people are wrongfully convicted, and how hard it is to introduce evidence to prove the innocence of the wrongfully convicted
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Seems to me the facts show us the system is not just:
There have been 310 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
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18 of the 310 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
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Races of the 310 exonerees:
193 African Americans
93 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php
Let's not forget the scumbag judge in PA who was taking bribes to send kids to detention centers.
That's just the tip of the unjust iceberg.
Journeyman
(15,038 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)American justice favors those that can afford great lawyers and to the even bigger guys that can buy judges.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)except for all the rest, to steal a line from Churchill. I think you are spot on about money and access to differing levels of quality counsel. Take the OJ trial. He didn't get off because he was black, he got off because he was wealthy and could hire enough lawyers to raise a reasonable doubt. The racist detective didn't help the prosecution's case but the jury would never have heard about that if OJ had been a poor man with a court appointed attorney. Until 50 years or so ago one didn't even have the right to a court appointed attorney. If you couldn't afford a lawyer you just didn't have one. But overall I think the system works pretty well.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Better than anybody else has figured out? Yeah, probably.
struggle4progress
(118,332 posts)one should then reach, is that one has a constant obligation to watch what happens and try to make such difference as one can
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Its all about pacification, pseudo-empowerment and greasing of the wheels of commerce. "Justice" is a notion to keep the irrelevant peasants happy, while the system steamrolls them collectively and forces them into virtual servitude (or literal, for those stuck in the justice system's prisons)
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)Eric "Too big to prosecute" Holder is the ringleader.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Which makes it basically unjust.