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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:43 AM Jul 2013

According to your opinion, is the US justice system just?

I don't know a lot about justice, but people say it should be blind. However, in the US system, people can hire a team of excellent lawyers to help their position. The more money someone has, the better lawyers they can get, and the more likely they will get their way in court. Because of this, I don't think the US justice system is just.

What do you think?


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Yes, the US justice system is just.
0 (0%)
No, the US justice system is not just.
10 (91%)
The US justice system is not perfect, but it is mostly just.
1 (9%)
I'm not sure what justice is.
0 (0%)
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According to your opinion, is the US justice system just? (Original Post) ZombieHorde Jul 2013 OP
Also this: mahina Jul 2013 #1
Good point. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #18
I used to think it was but Skittles Jul 2013 #2
Is this really a matter of opinion? ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #3
"In the Halls of Justice," said Lenny Bruce, "the only place you find Justice is in the Halls.". . . Journeyman Jul 2013 #4
Beat me to it. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #16
Just for some. Unjust toward far more. Rex Jul 2013 #5
probably the worst there is arely staircase Jul 2013 #6
I agree with everything you wrote. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #7
Banksters and war criminals walk, whistle blowers run. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #8
ba da bing..... think Jul 2013 #11
Just in an absolute sense? Of course not. Recursion Jul 2013 #9
IMO nobody in their right mind believes the US system is always fair. The conclusion, that struggle4progress Jul 2013 #10
There is no--and never has been--such thing as justice NoOneMan Jul 2013 #12
You can get all the justice you can afford. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #13
The Justice Department is bought and paid for mick063 Jul 2013 #14
Not even close. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #15
More just to some than others... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #17

mahina

(17,693 posts)
1. Also this:
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jul 2013

Between communities' ideas of what the police are for and will do, and the reality of both, there is a big giant gap.

At present, there is no way to close that gap, or even to get communities' expectations communicated to the police and legal apparatus. Not that the police would be responsive if they could, because they are underresourced for their roles as they define them, through choosing not to do some of what people expect of them.

I am not talking about all police, but making a generalization about departments based on my own and family members experiences over time. Roles have changed. Expectations, until people have occasion to interract with police, have not.

Skittles

(153,183 posts)
2. I used to think it was but
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jul 2013

I find it appalling how many people are wrongfully convicted, and how hard it is to introduce evidence to prove the innocence of the wrongfully convicted

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
3. Is this really a matter of opinion?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

Seems to me the facts show us the system is not just:

There have been 310 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
[snip]

• 18 of the 310 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
[snip]

Races of the 310 exonerees:

193 African Americans
93 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php

Let's not forget the scumbag judge in PA who was taking bribes to send kids to detention centers.

That's just the tip of the unjust iceberg.

Journeyman

(15,038 posts)
4. "In the Halls of Justice," said Lenny Bruce, "the only place you find Justice is in the Halls.". . .
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jul 2013
(And that was 50 years ago.)
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Just for some. Unjust toward far more.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:58 AM
Jul 2013

American justice favors those that can afford great lawyers and to the even bigger guys that can buy judges.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
6. probably the worst there is
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jul 2013

except for all the rest, to steal a line from Churchill. I think you are spot on about money and access to differing levels of quality counsel. Take the OJ trial. He didn't get off because he was black, he got off because he was wealthy and could hire enough lawyers to raise a reasonable doubt. The racist detective didn't help the prosecution's case but the jury would never have heard about that if OJ had been a poor man with a court appointed attorney. Until 50 years or so ago one didn't even have the right to a court appointed attorney. If you couldn't afford a lawyer you just didn't have one. But overall I think the system works pretty well.

struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
10. IMO nobody in their right mind believes the US system is always fair. The conclusion, that
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

one should then reach, is that one has a constant obligation to watch what happens and try to make such difference as one can

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
12. There is no--and never has been--such thing as justice
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:45 AM
Jul 2013

Its all about pacification, pseudo-empowerment and greasing of the wheels of commerce. "Justice" is a notion to keep the irrelevant peasants happy, while the system steamrolls them collectively and forces them into virtual servitude (or literal, for those stuck in the justice system's prisons)

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