It's really bizarre watching them turn that around and accuse people to their left of being "obsessed with Snowden".

about this whole incident.

also, the wholesale propaganda framing of "righteous left" is bullshit that alienates a large percentage of the Democratic vote that is, like it or not, to the left of the national party, though often more aligned with state and/or city/county Democrats.

Demonizing the messenger to distract from the crimes of our government's unconstitutional, wholesale spying and storing that information in data bases, for later searches on everybody, both here and abroad.
How can one person that exposed that spying, be worse than what our government is doing to us?

The NSA groupies must have been given a new set of talking points.

Who don't agree with you?

I am starting to see that some people have undirected anger and have found something to latch onto.

Why are you calling people "NSA supporters" as if that would be so bad? I am also an EPA supporter, and OSHA supporter and and IRS supporter. Those exist to enforce duly passed laws not yet declared unconstitutional, so what is wrong with them? Is your real problem the American Constitution and its rule of law? You want to live under some other system? Is your rage directed at those who don't want this revolution? You can condemn us all day but we are in a huge majority. You won't see a revolution here. (I have seen the posts about how lucky the Egyptians are - but then they had a different government to rebel from).

It is not "authoritarian" to support the US government as it exists. It is not a dictatorship. It's odd how many people wish it were so that they could be in the middle of a revolution. It indicates a misery far greater than politics.

There is no comparison. Those other agencies do not do unconstitutional, wholesale spying and storing of the gathered information forever. Or building multimillion dollar storage facilities to do so.

To support the NSA is to support "authoritarianism". That is their purpose. Knowledge is Power.
But you only see labels you do not like? Gibme a break. How about the reality of the NSA as "Enemy of the People"?
For a supposedly a free country this information gathering on all its citizens is unconscionable.
You are supporting the problem by defending the NSA. How un-American of you.

It is not correct to state that "supporting it" is "authoritarianism." Disagree with the law if you want, but if people aren't willing to condemn that law outright without further information or even support it, they are not "authoritarians." These laws came up by our normal process.

The NSA may have had it's start as being legal, but it's mission creep, now has it well over the line into the unconstitutional.
How many of the "laws" were made behind closed doors? Even our Congress have no real oversight as far as the NSA is concerned. Even then are being kept in the dark.

Your pitiful attempt to divert from the REAL issue, via character assassination is duly noted as bullshit and you are dismissed.

When are you people gonna start calling us "dirty hippies"?

I find this calling out of the vast majority of DU'ers quite breathtaking.

Call me whatever you like! I will still stand up for progressive values and The Constitution. Your insults are ineffective and meaningless to me.

Cheers!

n/t

radicals frequent, having been thrown off most reputable Democratic sites in the past. They thrive on those labels which is why they have zero credibility.

Paid propagandists use those terms for the Democratic Left. Shame to even see that site used here other than for fun.

NSA/Obama apologist's Ht Parade:

1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it

Who is the right wing mastermind running the show? People like you keep telling me that the teabaggers are behind this, but last I checked, they had difficulty tying their shoes. Who is the right wing mastermind behind this fiendish plot?

Tell me again how powerless they are?

lordy.

Which one of them is it calling the shots? We already know its not rank and file Republicans like Boehner, Cheney, Bush, etc...they're all in agreement with the President's spy programs. I it Rand Paul who frightens you so much? Is it Michelle Bachmann? I'll await your answer with....oh hell, lets stop pretending. You've got nothing aside from blind support.

You know it won't last long. Like all the other times.

There have been scandal upon scandal against the President and some people here just wallow and glory in it. Then when the party is over,

the party is over.

Enjoy it while you can, the Cricket Train is coming.

This isn't going away. Your team has been saying that for weeks now, and it just isn't true. This set of issues trumps politics for many people. Obama has a legislative agenda he wants to push? So what. Spying on Americans is much lower on Maslow's pyramid than legislative priorities. We need to stop the bleeding first, and that's going to serve to prevent lots of people from caring much about the President's priorities. He needs to stop this. Until he does, it will continue to be an issue with a great many people.

I'm going to remember that when this scandal ends with a thud.

ya know?

Almost all of the states ( not the blue) have a war against our reproductive a rights.

"Righteous" take down of the blinded left!

Don't you know Obama is plagued by "stay-behinds" left by Cheney and ROVE!!!
some even say that Obama APPOINTED some of these stay-behinds into his own administration!!!11

Devious Cheney!
Hapless Obama!
Blinded Righteous Left!

And a paranoid right-winger to boot. Stir thing up, till the military has to take over.
It's OK if we do it, but if they do anything to counter, we have to retaliate? War monger extraordinaire!

SNOWDEN for PrESidENT!!!#@!!&

Some of us have been saying that for a while now.

Pay attention.

I've never been blinded by Snowden and who he is is largely irrelevant. shit like this article ignores the real issue of massive surveillance and the encroaching and exponentially growing National Security State.

But thanks for playing.

swat.

and bye bye

...instead of stating that his plane was merely under-fueled.



Pull the other one.

We shouldn't care about massive violations of our 4th Amendment rights. We shouldn't give a damn about spying on a scale so huge that Orwell would sit down and need a drink to get his head around the sheer size. We shouldn't say anything about a program that knows more about me, you, and everyone than the Stazi knew about the East Germans?

Snowden is the distraction. Now, if you want to make it about Snowden. Why are they pursing him for Treason if all he is doing is lying?

If we truly have Dems who don't support the Constitution, we should be divided from them.

Of attacks. All that is eft is dirty hippie...get off my lawn!!!!

All cry babies that don't like to be told the truth. I have been a member for a loooong time, I am not a newbie at DU. Why would you like to silence me? i posted an article. And by your responses they ought be right.

Why are you defending a guy who is filled with suspicious acts, his story don't add up, the fact he accepted a JOB at NSA he KNEW what his job entailed.

He is not innocent and what is truly amazing liberals tend to really smart- and recognize a fake- you are all bring played.


That's the shocking part of this Snowden. Fiasco.

Read my post again. He knew his job. He actually worked there when bush was president- left and went back.

You are being played.

Have a good day

Me, Buffy, Buffy2 (because we have two Buffies, is that not a hoot?) Ian, and Ryan-Smith were sitting there discussing our eco-friendly cars and what a pain gas prices were, as we always have to drive to Costco WAY out in the suburbs, and this topic came up. RS was really torqued that his coffee had to be sent back. TWICE! But he is always in a foul mood anyway, not just because some low-wage person can't get the order right. AHYHOO, we all are there, and we think this is a big hoo-doo about well, just making President Obama look bad. They had to have set it up.

Buffy 2 said that she did not care about all that stuff, as her personal wealth manager at JP Morgan Chase who the family has known for YEARS told her that he was like that, socially liberal and open to new things politically, but not that give stuff away part that seems to be so popular now. She said that we need to have things like this to keep us safe. So what's the big deal?

Ian and Buffy agreed also that this was a tempest in a tea pot and they went very deep into their thoughts, as I never have seen Ian so perturbed. He said that of course everyone spies. Buffy agreed and to tell you the truth, I could see that she liked him more than a friend, as we surmised since that month at the cape. But Ian was on FIRE. He said that this was planned all along. The republicans set this up with some tea party group. That name is adorable! He said they got together after the Kennedy administration and knew this would all be part of a big plan! I had shivers!

So we all agreed that:

1. Go to another coffee shop as they obviously cannot hire good help.
2. Maybe carpool to Costco.
3. Decided that the cape was too touristy, maybe Europe this summer.

the right or the Libertarian Right may have helped Snowden. An insider a Booz Allen or elsewhere could share his "beliefs" This is why we need him to stand trial.

But to your point we can see in the posts alone that the Righteous Left or as I call them Purist Left is absolutely blinded by this case and these issues. To the point of hostility. I have 30 new people ignoring me because I am not a Snowdenite

Also, all of a sudden people care about Latin America? That was never of interest in general DU. Now there's a new victim to stick up for, the poor Latin Americans abused by the USA, and a tool to attack Obama and anyone who is not a believer in this newfound solidarity and Snowden's escape.

The upshot is absurdity. We have rah rah posts about Snowden and this supposed revenge on the USA by the Latin Left but no one is thinking -- This guy is a Libertarian, his US lawyer Fein is a neo-con Libertarian and we're supposed to not question their cheerleading of this guy going to Venezuela .. where the security apparatus is influenced by Communist Cuba? If nothing else the purist left needs to grow a sense of irony.

Commies....COMMIES!!

You can't do any better than that?

How about the irony, over your head?

as I see it

I will never be for state surveillance no matter what you or anyone else says, regardless how many false equivalencies are tossed into the mix.

I'm not saying I'm pro state surveillance .. in fact I'm saying how ridiculous it is to celebrate Snowden going to Venezuela when they have a similar apparatus to Cuba, a country I know well, with a massive security apparatus with few protections for civilians.

Get it now??

They are offering him asylum. He does not have a lot of choices. One thing has nothing to do with the other. The issue is spying by the USA. It is not Snowden's girlfriend, garage, politics, or his being forced to choose from a meager selection of countries that will take him in. There are a large group of Senators(mostly Dem) who are asking for more info, There are a lot of countries asking for more info. I want more info.

in a super socialist country not to raise eyebrows

or at least irony

something lacking with the supporters of Snowball

I could care less if he lives on one. The fact that he was on one should not have been lied about. That also has nothing to do with the subject at hand-US spying. I beg to differ that anything at all is missing with Snowden's supporters. They have a keen respect for our constitution.

What was I thinking? Our team must win at all costs.

WHAT is making you all come out of the woodwork?

The evidence that this drivel you link to presents is thus: Some moronic posts by Snowden that are worthy of FR in their callousness. But that's not proof of the conspiracy alleged, not in any way. His political leanings have been known weeks before by the disclosure of his campaign contributions.

Curious minds would like to use this example to note that you can indeed promote unsupported, ridiculous conspiracy theories on DU as long as they fit a certain narrative and not suffer the same ridicule from the "Conspiracy!1!!1 brigade (of which I consider myself a member for the most part).

50 threats attacking Obama over the IRS scandal? Or Beghazi? That is because we know those are not important. The NSA shit is.
Why don't you get that?