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On Friday, the Wall Street Journal published an editorial entitled After the Coup in Cairo. Its final paragraph contained these words:
Egyptians would be lucky if their new ruling generals turn out to be in the mold of Chiles Augusto Pinochet, who took over power amid chaos but hired free-market reformers and midwifed a transition to democracy.
Presumably, this means that those who speak for the Wall Street Journal the editorial was unsigned think Egypt should think itself lucky if its ruling generals now preside over a 17-year reign of terror.
Presumably, the WSJ thinks the Egyptians now have 17 years in which to think themselves lucky when any who dissent are tortured with electricity, raped, thrown from planes or if theyre really lucky just shot. Thats what happened in Chile after 1973, causing the deaths of between 1,000 and 3,000 people. Around 30,000 were tortured.
Presumably, the WSJ hopes a general in the mold of Pinochet (or generals, as they didnt break the mold when they made him) will preside over all this with the assistance of Britain and America. Perhaps he (or they) will return the favour by helping one of them win a small war.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/06/wall-street-journal-says-egypt-needs-a-pinochet/?utm_source=Raw+Story+Daily+Update&utm_campaign=a1d1176640-7_6_137_6_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1b6404e40c-a1d1176640-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&gooal=eyJjaWQiOiJhMWQxMTc2NjQwIiwidGFnIjoiN182XzEzN182XzIwMTMiLCJ1aWQiOiI4MGI0MmVjYzIxZjI5NzYzMzIwYWNlYjkwIn0%3D%7CZHVkZXNvdmljaEBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D
Notice the South American revisionism?..... considering what's going on in South America.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)magellan
(13,257 posts)...the Egyptian military is probably hoping for a strongman. They don't want to do politics. They want somebody who'll let them keep both the secular liberals and the religious right in line, as happened under Mubarak. This equals "stability".
Mind you the article wasn't condoning this and neither am I. I'd hate to see a Pinochet- or Mubarak-like rise to power in Egypt.
It made me wish there was a wand to wave to rid this planet of religious extremists. The secular liberals will live alongside the faithful beautifully and peacefully. The Egyptian religious far right, as here, wants everyone to live THEIR way.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Opposition to neoliberal economics is a strong component of popular protests almost everywhere. The WSJ probably sees a Pinochet-type strongman as the only hope for enforcing neoliberalism in the face of widespread rejection of its premises and results.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)That's all Egypt (and the world needs), a fascist military dictatorship instituting neo-liberal policies by force and violence against the people.
In actuality, a Pinochet-lite was what Morsi WAS with theocratic overtones. He certainly cozied up to the IMF, in addition to trying to turn a secular state into a religious one. The Egyptian people have spoken about this type of government. They don't want this hijacking of their revolution. Hopefully, they can hold on to what they've earned.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Bauval is specifically known for the Orion Correlation Theory . This proposes a relationship between the fourth dynasty Egyptian pyramids of the Giza Plateau and the alignment of certain stars in the constellation of Orion.
Well he wasn't talking about the pyramids but what was happening in Egypt for two hours and repeated almost the same thing you did also that the first revolution, elections came too early because the real protestors weren't organized enough to fight off the brotherhood in elections since the brotherhood has been around for years. The brotherhood had little to do with the first revolution but took advantage of it. He also described the military's relationship with Egyptian politics which is nothing like
what south american politics have been in the past.They want the tourist.
I've meet Egyptians and
they are unlike most Arabs, they are Egyptians first
But back to the WSJ
I knew the WSJ was right wing but geez ... that was way over the top.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The Murdoch influence has been growing.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Milton Friedman did not save Chile.
Ever since deregulation caused a worldwide economic meltdown in September '08 and everyone became a Keynesian again, it hasn't been easy to be a fanatical follower of the late economist Milton Friedman. So widely discredited is his brand of free-market fundamentalism that his admirers have become increasingly desperate to claim ideological victories, however far fetched.
A particularly distasteful case in point. Just two days after Chile was struck by a devastating earthquake, Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens informed his readers that Milton Friedman's "spirit was surely hovering protectively over Chile" because, "thanks largely to him, the country has endured a tragedy that elsewhere would have been an apocalypse
It's not by chance that Chileans were living in houses of brick and Haitians in houses of straw when the wolf arrived to try to blow them down."
According to Stephens, the radical free-market policies prescribed to Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet by Milton Friedman and his infamous "Chicago Boys" are the reason Chile is a prosperous nation with "some of the world's strictest building codes."
There is one rather large problem with this theory: Chile's modern seismic building code, drafted to resist earthquakes, was adopted in 1972. That year is enormously significant because it was one year before Pinochet seized power in a bloody US-backed coup. That means that if one person deserves credit for the law, it is not Friedman, or Pinochet, but Salvador Allende, Chile's democratically elected socialist president. (In truth many Chileans deserve credit, since the laws were a response to a history of quakes, and the first law was adopted in the 1930s).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/03/chile-earthquake
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Guy always filed a CIA approved flight plan.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)The entire fucking world has gone insane.
No country needs a Pinochet !!!!!
No country needs the radical Muslim Brotherhood !!!!!
No country needs the right wing Christian fanatics !!!!!
No country needs to be under the thumb of corporations !!!!!
No country needs a corrupt government !!!!!
No country needs a military that has run amuck; aka amuk, amok !!!!!
The world needs a heavy dose of sanity, unity, fairness, equality, peace, and harmony !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't belong on this planet.
It has been infested and overrun with cruel evil people.
Why are the evil brutal assholes always in charge ???
When will the time come for decent people to take charge ??????????
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)PaulNyden
(1 post)That statement in the WSJ about Pinochet is one of the most disgusting, disgraceful comments I have ever read in a newspaper in my whole life. I am 68 today and have read all kinds of newspapers since I was a little boy.
Disgraceful that the WSJ editors could possibly allow such praise of a total criminal. It will alter my view of the paper (whose right-wing editorials I have never liked) until they have the integrity to withdraw that statement.
I guess my own views of the overthrow of Salvador Allende are pretty obvious. One of our daughter's middle name is Allende. And my West Virginia license plate says "Allende."
Allende is one of the true heroes of world history.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)and so was that despotic scumbag Pinochet
arcane1
(38,613 posts)No wonder it's unsigned
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and good for large corporations?
Also did well with meta data through the help of IBM.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Well - they used to just get caught saying things they thought was behind closed doors, like Romney's 47 % takers comment or the republican operative caught some years ago on tape admitting they wanted as few people to vote as possible.
Now they're up front in the WSJ yearning for a good old right wing brutal fascist dictator, secret police, all of it. Disappear your enemies.
I hear mainline Dems defending the NSA and think the lessons of the past seem to be lost by a lot of folks after 50 or so years.
I hope we can get back to some kind of fair sanity.
struggle4progress
(118,332 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)And some people here can't understand why much of Latin America is telling us to fuck off.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Ruddy Murdoch's News Corp. took over? Why not a Franco. He sure shut up those revolutionaries in Spain.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)these people in financial power need to spend a few decades in gulags. Ass holes.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)When Egypt had such a ruler (who bought like 200 F-16 fighters and all kinds of other goodies), the U.S. and Israel were happy, but the people were pissed.
So the people get democracy. And they elect the Muslim Brotherhood.
Well, both of those seemed to work out really well, didn't they?