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gholtron

(376 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 06:54 PM Jul 2013

Snowden is playing off hype and fears to make himself famous

I believe that Snowden wants to start a coup against the US Government. I believe he wants to start another American spring uprising similar to that in the Arab world last year. I believe that he not only wants the American people to be angry but others around the world to get involved in this uprising. I wondered why would this guy leave the country with classified information and flee to a country or ask for asylum in countries with poor human rights that are worse than that of what he is accusing the US government of doing. Then I came across this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/glenn-greenwald-edward-snowden_n_3555541.html

Everyone knew the N.S.A was collecting Data. What many of us didn't know that there were safeguards put in place in collecting the data. Two of the articles were written by no other than Mr. Greenwald and the NY Times wrote the last one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/20/exhibit-b-nsa-procedures-document

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/20/exhibit-a-procedures-nsa-document

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/us/politics/documents-detail-nsa-surveillance-rules.html?_r=0

Course these article didn't get as much fan fare than that of the N.S.A is spying on you. The articles that were published based off Snowden's account didn't emphasized the rules of collecting American data or procedures that the N.S.A must follow for collecting foreign data. What was the evidence that Snowden said that the N.S.A violated the 4th amendment? What evidence that he showed that the N.S.A weren't following these rules or regulations in collecting the data? If the Supreme Court chief Justice Roberts preside over the FISA court, how can these actions be unconstitutional? So again, what is the real purpose of Snowden's action?



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Snowden is playing off hype and fears to make himself famous (Original Post) gholtron Jul 2013 OP
CIA coup. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #1
Yup. zappaman Jul 2013 #3
Amen! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #2
K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #4
Assuming there actually are safeguards in place, a big assumption Fumesucker Jul 2013 #5
The President can't make these changes without Congress. gholtron Jul 2013 #7
How would Congress even know? Fumesucker Jul 2013 #9
Because there are Senators and House Representative gholtron Jul 2013 #11
Clapper just flat out lied to them and they didn't have a clue until the internet exploded over it Fumesucker Jul 2013 #13
dumbest Snowden thread ever or dumbest Snowden thread ever" cali Jul 2013 #6
I vote "dumbest Snowden thread ever" scarletwoman Jul 2013 #10
excellent choice! cali Jul 2013 #21
... Ellipsis Jul 2013 #8
Suppose Snowden was muslim HipChick Jul 2013 #12
Exactly gholtron Jul 2013 #20
If that was his intention, he failed. Live and Learn Jul 2013 #14
First of all, let me respond by saying that if I was right, then I am glad it failed. gholtron Jul 2013 #17
Conspiracy theory much? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #15
Again. What did he expose that we didn't already know? gholtron Jul 2013 #18
Yep. Snowdein sure bamboozled Valerie Plame, Daniel Ellsberg, the ACLU and Amnesty International. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #16
Well I guess he did then. gholtron Jul 2013 #19
Snort!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #22
Don't expect any answers Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #23
If so, he's an even bigger fool than his supporters..... Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #24

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
3. Yup.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jul 2013

That remote controlled car powered by alien technology from the planet Bugfukerie is what did him in.
Cars just don't crash.
Never happened before and will probably never happen again...

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. K & R
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jul 2013

Agreed, here we have a patsy trying to stir up the uninformed, they don't check for the truth, that would be too simple. It would also destroy Snowden. Its like,a ne'er do well trying to make something important. It sounds like a Paulbot who doesn't like our government and wants it shut down.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. Assuming there actually are safeguards in place, a big assumption
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jul 2013

Then the next time a Republican becomes POTUS all those safeguards will be gone.

gholtron

(376 posts)
7. The President can't make these changes without Congress.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jul 2013

So unless the next President has the backing of the whole Congress, then it would not work.

gholtron

(376 posts)
11. Because there are Senators and House Representative
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jul 2013

that sit on the intelligent committees. They fund the N.S.A.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Clapper just flat out lied to them and they didn't have a clue until the internet exploded over it
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jul 2013

Congessmen and Senators spend more time fundraising than anything else, they don't have the time to look into NSA abuses because they're too damn busy calling the 1% begging for money for which everyone knows there will be a quid pro quo.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
12. Suppose Snowden was muslim
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jul 2013

foreign born citizen that obtained US citizenship to gain clearance and access to secrets...puts a different spin on it.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
14. If that was his intention, he failed.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jul 2013

I worry more that it may be used against us in the next election.

However anyone paying attention already knew all of this and many of us have been complaining about it since its inception. Yes, we even knew about the "safeguards" that were put in place, although they ere not enough and the programs are still expanding. The patriot Act and the entire Homeland Security (Good gawd, wasn't "homeland" a dead giveaway?) fiasco was a slippery slope that will be nearly impossible to rein in.

Yes, I am glad Obama is in charge and I don't really feel he would use the information to hurt me but he won't always be in charge and a future administration might well abuse the information.

What is funny though, is that, aside from DU, I don't see much about this at all. People seem to have already moved on to other issues once again. On DU, the issue wouldn't be so prevalent either if the side bent on protecting this administration from the really indefensible wasn't keeping it on the front burner by posting so many threads calling out those intent on keeping our rights. Funny how their intentions to help the administration may just be doing it more damage.

gholtron

(376 posts)
17. First of all, let me respond by saying that if I was right, then I am glad it failed.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jul 2013

Second, I didn't write this to protect the administration. My OP was in no way politically motivated. I was merely point out what some on here either didn't read or refuse to point out. We are so ready to easily believe that our government is so bad. I wrote this because everyone is trying to seek the truth. I don't think anyone knew that there were safeguards in place. I based that on the perception I got from what I read on how Snowden is a hero and seeing Greenwald face on every news channel calling him everything from a patriot to the second coming of Christ. All I am doing is asking what is his real intentions?

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
15. Conspiracy theory much?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

Why can't it be what it appears to be, a kid with a conscience blowing the whistle on wrong doing by our government?

DU has always been a place that overwhelmingly supports whistle blowers, so you shouldn't be surprised that that is still the case.

gholtron

(376 posts)
18. Again. What did he expose that we didn't already know?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jul 2013

No one cannot answer that. What was the crime? Do you know? Do you have a link that points to the crime that the N.S.A has broken? You may be ok with taking someone's word that you don't know that says the government is breaking the constitution without providing ANY proof of that but I'm not ok with that. Whistleblowers points out the where the law was broken. He did not fulfill that requirement. Now prove me wrong.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
16. Yep. Snowdein sure bamboozled Valerie Plame, Daniel Ellsberg, the ACLU and Amnesty International.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:22 PM
Jul 2013

Not to mention this guy:

Jimmy Carter to @CNN on Snowden's disclosures: "The bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial"

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
23. Don't expect any answers
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jul 2013

They would rather run around with their hair on fire screaming the sky is falling. All over a secret court that has been operating in secrecy since 1978.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
24. If so, he's an even bigger fool than his supporters.....
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 10:00 AM
Jul 2013

Which, while hard to believe, appears to be the case.

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