???

it cannot be healthy

in all honesty.

as good a place to exit as any

Please try to not do that. This is how discussions become a clusterfuck. I'll admit I'm guilty of it as are many DUers, but I'm trying to be more civil and you should too.

Precisely because they are capable of self examination?

And defines the distinction....

Sometimes we even cast light so bright it shows things that aren't even there.

That happened in 2003.

It didn't make for a more open society in Iraq.

It calls into question how open they are.

And it isn't even being relegated to the dungeon. These are the important questions of our time. It's sad that it took someone like Snowden to get the debate started.

But I think the whole affair will fizzle out and DU won't be reliving these discussions until president select Jeb forces them on us.

maybe it's only Republicans who are that ruthless.

That's what police states do.