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Love it or leave it? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2013 OP
Depends on what you mean by 'love'. If it stands for blind support, then no. If by love you mean peacebird Jul 2013 #1
This oldie from the Sixties.. kentuck Jul 2013 #2
Don't you just cringe when you hear someone say that? My mother, child of WWII used to say it. Squinch Jul 2013 #5
Yes but... kentuck Jul 2013 #6
I do see what you mean. Squinch Jul 2013 #7
Ah, the RW would be proud. Skidmore Jul 2013 #3
Oh well... kentuck Jul 2013 #11
What was the point then? Skidmore Jul 2013 #14
You are correct in that... kentuck Jul 2013 #15
Why sow discord when it unnecessary and Skidmore Jul 2013 #18
Why sow discord?? kentuck Jul 2013 #19
More binary thinking. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #4
I choose C. MelungeonWoman Jul 2013 #8
When you love someone you speak up if you think they're hurting themselves Fumesucker Jul 2013 #9
Not that I ever agreed with it, that was meant for policies made by elected officials... reformist2 Jul 2013 #10
Love it or work to fix it. JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #12
At this point I'm looking at ways to "leave it." nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #13
There is a LOT of magical thinking going on in this country... ananda Jul 2013 #16
Yes there is. Skidmore Jul 2013 #20
Nope. Iggo Jul 2013 #17

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. Depends on what you mean by 'love'. If it stands for blind support, then no. If by love you mean
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:50 AM
Jul 2013

Caring enough to stand up and make yourself heard when you see it veering down the wrong path, & working hard to make it a 'more perfect union' - then Yes.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
2. This oldie from the Sixties..
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:55 AM
Jul 2013

...was used by the right wing to quell dissent. Sort of like, 'My Country, Right or Wrong".

Squinch

(50,989 posts)
5. Don't you just cringe when you hear someone say that? My mother, child of WWII used to say it.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:00 AM
Jul 2013

At a very young age, I knew it was a very, very ignorant way to think.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
6. Yes but...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:03 AM
Jul 2013

I sense a strain of the same sentiment here on DU sometimes, but not exactly saying those words...

Squinch

(50,989 posts)
7. I do see what you mean.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:10 AM
Jul 2013

Personally, I don't care about Snowdon. I didn't think the NSA's activities were acceptable ten years ago, and I don't like them any better today.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
3. Ah, the RW would be proud.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:00 AM
Jul 2013

Well done.

Frankly this is one of the more inane and ridiculous things I have seen posted in a while. Certainly people can seen that shades of gray exist in even a black and white world.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. What was the point then?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jul 2013

That old saw has been used for decades now to try to shut down reasonable political discussion. It promotes the idea that someone who does not see something identically to the speaker's point of view is somehow lacking in love for the nation because their views do not sufficiently meet that persons's standard.

If you are not intending to say this then I would suggest that perhaps more direct way of communicating your point could be employed.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
15. You are correct in that...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:36 AM
Jul 2013

...it is about free speech - it is not about how much you might love your country. I think this is important when we are discussing the NSA matter and terms such as "traitor" and "hero" are used by opposite sides to express their opinions. I just happen to think that sometimes you have to mix a little bit of hot peppers in the omelette before people can actually taste it...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
18. Why sow discord when it unnecessary and
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jul 2013

plain wordswould serve your purpose better because having already stated your position on a number of issues, the implicatio for the reader who doesn't totally agree is that you are at once casting them as unworthy of even being on the same geographical plain.

I may disagree with people here sometimes but I would never give someone that choice even in jest. BTW I also don't "plonk" people and generally work to be civil. I have found it interesting that some ntof the most strident defenders of the constitution in this latest set of issues have been so quick to shut other voices down.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. When you love someone you speak up if you think they're hurting themselves
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:19 AM
Jul 2013

Very often they don't want to hear what you have to say.

Interventions are seldom enjoyable for either side.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
10. Not that I ever agreed with it, that was meant for policies made by elected officials...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:29 AM
Jul 2013

...not secret policies and programs that the public never was allowed to know about.

ananda

(28,873 posts)
16. There is a LOT of magical thinking going on in this country...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jul 2013

... of one kind or another.

Mostly here, we're looking for some kind of savior or perfect leader,
when in truth, the answer lies within US and our ability to cohere and
organize.

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