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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:41 AM Jul 2013

Unlike our troops and cities with military bases, DEFENSE CONTRACTORS WILL NOT SUFFER PAY CUTS

How many Defense Contractors does it take to build an aircraft carrier? With cut-backs in the military being so important that our troops must suffer, why do we need Defense Contractors to build more ultra-expensive Navy ships?

Steep furloughs hit military workers this week
Jan 10, 2013
(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Monday will mean a day without pay for thousands of Americans who work in defense jobs --another effect of automatic federal budget cuts.

The furloughs starting tomorrow affect 680,000 workers. For the next 11 weeks, they will lose 20 percent of their pay.

In theory, the furloughs apply across the board to civilian workers, but there are notable exemptions. For example, military commissaries will close an extra day a week, but not military day care centers.

Most shipyard workers building ships for the Navy are exempt. But all those lost wages will harm local economies. Communities near the nation's largest military bases will lose tens of millions of dollars.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/01/10/military-daycare-centers-hire-first-screen-later.html


While I support daycare, as the Department of Defense (DoD) puts women "in harms way" during active, combat duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, I wonder why hiring policies were unusually lax for Defense Contractors that make money from U.S. Military daycare programs. The daycare article reports only ONE daycare center: How widespread was the real problem? Director Panetta became outraged only after news articles like this next one went into print.

Military Daycare Centers Hire First, Screen Later

The Army bureaucracy has allowed newly-hired employees to start caring for infants and children at base daycare centers before completing the entire vetting process to include criminal background checks, said Pentagon officials and former military daycare workers.

The thoroughness of the background checks has become a matter of intense concern for Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and President Obama since the arrest of two daycare workers at Fort Myer in September on misdemeanor assault charges for mistreating toddlers.

The arrests and subsequent investigations by the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia led to the discovery through random background checks and an audit that at least 31 other Fort Myer CDC employees had criminal records, including two for misdemeanor sex offenses.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/01/10/military-daycare-centers-hire-first-screen-later.html


There are two important appointments of Directors in the intelligence community that President Obama made, which appear questionable, because of their association with the George W. Bush Jr. administration:

Obviously, one questionable appointee is Leon Panetta, who was appointed by Bush as the FORTH director of the CIA. Apparently, it took Bush four attempts before he found a political lackey who would support his pathetic views of how the intelligence community and the CIA should operate. Why did Obama promote him to the influential position of Director of the DoD?

The other is a Director that few presidents try replacing; the director of the FBI:

Obama to appoint former Bush official as FBI director by June, as a concession to Republicans
President Obama plans to nominate James B. Comey, a Republican who served as a senior Justice Department official under President George W. Bush, as the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

In 2005, Comey invoked the state secrets privilege in the civil case of a Syrian Canadian who was sent to Damascus in 2002 to be interrogated and was ultimately tortured. Comey’s role in that episode elicited some criticism from civil liberties groups.

“James Comey’s nomination should raise serious concerns, and his role in the Bush administration needs to be examined,” said Michael Ratner, the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. “We need to know the full story of his role in the torture memos. It does not sound like a great nomination. Recycling Bush people is not a good guarantee for the protection of civil liberties.”
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05_30/Obama-to-appoint-former-Bush-official-as-the-FBI-director-by-June-as-a-concession-to-Republicans-2177-240/


Did these questionable appointments occur because President Obama felt threatened?

Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service
US President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched and under-resourced Secret Service, according to a new book.

Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html


In the words of a popular right-wing news source; "WE REPORT; YOU DECIDE!"
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Unlike our troops and cities with military bases, DEFENSE CONTRACTORS WILL NOT SUFFER PAY CUTS (Original Post) Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2013 OP
That is so fucked up gopiscrap Jul 2013 #1
It's not only the business sector, it's interwoven into a monster called... Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2013 #8
I agree with you! gopiscrap Jul 2013 #10
Just to check- NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #2
Who produces the parts for Navy ships? You make a more interesting point, though... Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2013 #3
Parts are made by suppliers throughout the country, usually ordered by NAVICP NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #4
Do you know if elements of sophisticated electronic equipment are made in China? Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2013 #7
Generally no. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #9
Asking a person a question when they work for you is a different LEGAL situation than asking that patrice Jul 2013 #5
No, they'll be laid off zipplewrath Jul 2013 #6
Probably because they have contracts with fixed delivery dates. bluedigger Jul 2013 #11

gopiscrap

(23,762 posts)
1. That is so fucked up
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jul 2013

business has way too much power...imho ALL private businesses should be nationalized and the profits turned over the national treasury

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
8. It's not only the business sector, it's interwoven into a monster called...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013
The "Military/ Industrial Complex."

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
2. Just to check-
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

You realize that public shipyard workers are not contractors right? And only the repair yards are exempt. All navy oversight personal at construction yards are getting furloughed.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
3. Who produces the parts for Navy ships? You make a more interesting point, though...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

All navy oversight personal at construction yards are getting furloughed. It's a bit reminiscent of "Military Daycare" mentioned in the OP; with too little oversight.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
4. Parts are made by suppliers throughout the country, usually ordered by NAVICP
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jul 2013

(Naval Inventory Control Point), who then sells them to different activities to replace broken or worn out parts. The money transferred from one Gov activity to another is then is used to order and stock more parts.

For new construction of ships, the shipbuilder orders the parts to military specifications and assembles the ship, which is then delivered to the Navy whole. As for oversight, that's a major problem with sequestration. The Navy spent a lot of effort to restaff it's Supervisors of Shipbuilding (SUPSHIPs) to keep cost down and stop quality problems. It has been successful recently, but sequestration may ruin that.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
7. Do you know if elements of sophisticated electronic equipment are made in China?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jul 2013

You appear to know a great deal more about these military production issues than me.

With China's recent escalation in military personnel and equipment - especially orbiting defense satellites - I wonder which super-power they intend to go to war against. Most electronic equipment sold in the U.S.A. these days is made in China?

Do U.S. Defense Contractors farm out production of electronic components they sell to the military and other DoD agencies to manufacturers in China?

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
9. Generally no.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

The military is required to buy most items from domestic suppliers. A foreign company sometimes supplies components if they have skills or processes that domestic suppliers lack. Usually this is because we want a specific patented product.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
5. Asking a person a question when they work for you is a different LEGAL situation than asking that
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jul 2013

same person the same question when they are employed in the private sector.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. No, they'll be laid off
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

It's already started to a very small extent. It will grow in size over time. Canceling a contract outright can be expensive, most contracts have cancellation costs as part of them. So the government has a tendency to just let them expire instead (unless they have a very long time to go). So existing contracts are expiring and new ones are not being started, or they are for fractions of the previous value. That will result in lay offs of existing workers.

That is unless the budgets are adjusted, something the government hasn't done yet. The reason that the government is furloughing people instead of laying them off is they expect in the long run for the budget cuts to be replaced in some sense. So they don't want to cut staffs to only have to hire them back later. The contractors though are anticipating that even if the money is replaced, it won't be for exactly the same contracts, or industries, so they are cutting people now. If these cuts are sustained, you'll ultimately see the government employees cut, mostly through attrition.

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
11. Probably because they have contracts with fixed delivery dates.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jul 2013

Building five destroyers is a little bit different than other procurement items, like services or ammo.

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