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malaise

(269,147 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:50 AM Jul 2013

Escaped Inmate -Rapist and Kidnapper-tackled By Customer At Ohio Store on camera

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/05/james-david-myers_n_3551708.html
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An escaped prison inmate used the phone at a small general store and bought an iced tea and a lighter at a counter where his mug shot was displayed before a customer tackled him, ending a daylong search in a matter of minutes, store workers said Friday.

Store employees told the owner that James David Myers tried to use change from his pocket to cover up his picture before he was tackled and tied up with rope off the shelf Thursday night, less than 24 hours after he was found to be missing from a prison about 8 miles away in Mansfield.

"I just walked back over there and threw him to the ground, didn't give him a chance to get a gun," Cooper told the station. Surveillance video from the store shows Cooper grabbing Myers from behind and pinning him to the floor.

"It was awesome, honestly," said Gallaway. He said Myers didn't resist once pinned, and others helped tie him up.

Myers was taken back to the prison, where he'd been held for the rape, kidnapping and other crimes.
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Escaped Inmate -Rapist and Kidnapper-tackled By Customer At Ohio Store on camera (Original Post) malaise Jul 2013 OP
Good for him. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #1
Unpossible. 'Perps' can only be dealt with, ala Zimmermann. onehandle Jul 2013 #2
LOL malaise Jul 2013 #3
Question Savannahmann Jul 2013 #4
Huh? n/t malaise Jul 2013 #5
In many other threads Savannahmann Jul 2013 #6
You really don't get the difference? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #7
In both, a citizen took the law into their own hands. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #10
I can't get that concerned about it. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #13
True, to an extent. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #17
there is a difference between killing someone and taking other actions which odn't kill them JI7 Jul 2013 #14
Zimmerman targeted a kid for being black , this guy was a specific individual who they were looking JI7 Jul 2013 #8
And if? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #11
he would still be alive , i have no idea what one has to do with the other, Trayvon is dead , this JI7 Jul 2013 #12
This escaped inmate - a rapist and kidnapper was tied up with rope malaise Jul 2013 #9
He was tackled with no warning, and no attempt to identify him. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #15
Clearly you haven't read the article malaise Jul 2013 #16
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
4. Question
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jul 2013

What if he'd turned out to be innocent? What if he just happened to resemble the man the police wanted? Would we all be lining up demanding this wannabe hero be charged and convicted for assaulting an innocent man without any warning?

What we cheer, can come back to haunt us. We should decry, not defend, person on person violence. We certainly shouldn't celebrate it because for once, a lunatic got lucky and actually tackled a genuine bad guy. The ends never justify the means.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
6. In many other threads
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jul 2013

They are denouncing the vigilante Zimmerman, because he targeted an individual who turned out to be innocent. Here, we seem to be saying that it's OK, so long as the guy turns out to be a baddie.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
7. You really don't get the difference?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jul 2013

I'll give you a hint: in one case, the victim is dead. I'll leave you to figure out which one.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
10. In both, a citizen took the law into their own hands.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jul 2013

Was any warning given to the escaped prisoner? Was any attempt to confirm his identity? If it had been innocent, the vigilante would have gone to jail for assault and battery, and had serious difficulty defending himself before the courts.

The point is this, the ends do not justify the means. Average citizens have no right to jump on anyone and throw them to the ground because they resemble a picture.

The vigilante is not wrong when he kills, the vigilante is wrong when he takes the law into his own hands. That's my point.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
13. I can't get that concerned about it.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jul 2013

The guy's alive, and it turns out he's a pretty bad guy. If he was actually innocent, the law allows him recourse through the courts. Trying to equate this situation with George Zimmerman is really pretty lame. Zim armed himself and went hunting - that is not what occurred here.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
17. True, to an extent.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

But what about our hero? He was right once, and what if he goes out looking for his next baddie to capture?

Either we support person on person violence, or we reject it.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
8. Zimmerman targeted a kid for being black , this guy was a specific individual who they were looking
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jul 2013

for.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
11. And if?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jul 2013

If he had merely resembled the individual in the picture? Would the actions have been justified then? What right do you, any individual have to tackle an individual who is committing no crime in your view? Again, pictures are not always a good fit. Remember all those who are identified by pictures, and turn out to be innocent, because they have an alibi.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
12. he would still be alive , i have no idea what one has to do with the other, Trayvon is dead , this
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jul 2013

guy is alive.

malaise

(269,147 posts)
9. This escaped inmate - a rapist and kidnapper was tied up with rope
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jul 2013

and handed over to the police. His photo was right on the counter.
Trayvon Martin was murdered while returning home to his father's apartment because a racist, lying gun nut set out to follow him despite being told not to do so.
Please don't confuse two completely different happenings.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
15. He was tackled with no warning, and no attempt to identify him.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:38 PM
Jul 2013

Nobody in the store said. "Hey, isn't that your picture?" Nobody said call the police, I think this is the guy they're looking for. Instead the patron tackled, initiated physical violence, based upon his own interpretation of a photograph, matching the suspect.

So now we allow that providing the guy turns out to be a baddie? The ends justify the means? Personally, I denounce all person on person violence. Especially where it wasn't warranted by circumstances.

The individual who believed the suspect matched the photograph of the escaped prisoner had a responsibility, certainly. A responsibility to notify the authorities. He had no responsibility, and no right, to just tackle the guy on nothing but his own belief that the suspect was in fact the escaped prisoner.

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