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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:24 PM Jul 2013

A plane crash kills 2. Massive coverage. A train derailment incinerates dozens, very little

news coverage by the U.S media. OK, Lac Megantic isn't SF, but it's not in the back of beyond. It's right over the border. Hey, reporters, you can catch a flight to Montreal and rent a car there. This disaster will go down as one of the worst rail disasters in North America in decades and decades.

And I have to say, I don't get the disinterest here on DU either given the real possibility that this could happen in the Northeast U.S. all too easily, and given the implications for the transport of oil and for regulation of rail transport.

And here's why it could happen all too easily in the Northeast: 1) terrible infrastructure. 2) The huge increase in the amount of oil now transported by rail (something like 28,000 times more since 2009) 3.) Tanker cars that are not safe 4) These trains run through dozens of towns and cities.

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A plane crash kills 2. Massive coverage. A train derailment incinerates dozens, very little (Original Post) cali Jul 2013 OP
the corporate media does not approve of the Canada story Skittles Jul 2013 #1
Exactly so suffragette Jul 2013 #8
First answer is the correct answer. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #21
yes it is. cali Jul 2013 #22
How many Canadian lives equal 1 American life? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #2
But no Americans died in the SF crash. bluedigger Jul 2013 #9
Sad. Now its about how many Canadian lives equal the back of 1 American Maintenance worker NoOneMan Jul 2013 #10
Honestly, I think it's about reassuring people engaged in (slightly) risk taking behavior. bluedigger Jul 2013 #12
I think I understand the media coverage. noamnety Jul 2013 #3
if it bleeds warrprayer Jul 2013 #4
except it didn't. cali Jul 2013 #17
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #5
10 people died in a plane crash in Soldotna AK onethatcares Jul 2013 #6
10 die in Alaska plane crash The Straight Story Jul 2013 #7
The elite fly. Coyotl Jul 2013 #11
So do normal people. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #14
Elite is not abnormal. Coyotl Jul 2013 #16
There were not enough Americans killed. Scuba Jul 2013 #13
What you would be told if you called the Network and complained: truedelphi Jul 2013 #15
Wow laundry_queen Jul 2013 #19
Yep. truedelphi Jul 2013 #25
I`m rereading reply #1 and nodding. democrank Jul 2013 #18
What's strange is there was more American coverage of the Calgary flood. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #20
Thanks for your vigilance on this, Cali. octoberlib Jul 2013 #23
But but but to M$Greedia malaise Jul 2013 #24
Canada doesnt exist for US news corps ErikJ Jul 2013 #26
The reason the media are all over a plane crash is because they all fly constantly. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #27
I've seen the Quebec train crash covered everywhere. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #28
is DU "everywhere" ? burnodo Jul 2013 #31
NPR. Igel Jul 2013 #33
Dont watch TV or listen to NPR burnodo Jul 2013 #39
DU is not a primary source. We get it from SOMEWHERE. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #37
No "disinterest" here. I was waiting to hear more about how it happened. MH1 Jul 2013 #29
You know why it's not being reported burnodo Jul 2013 #30
Yeah we are so ethno-centric and xenophobic gopiscrap Jul 2013 #32
It was wedged between a plane crash and forest fire deaths. Igel Jul 2013 #34
Lac Megantic's been topping or near-topping lots of international news for days Posteritatis Jul 2013 #35
Many people have a horror of plane crashes mainer Jul 2013 #36
911 gives all plane crashes top billing NM_Birder Jul 2013 #38
 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
2. How many Canadian lives equal 1 American life?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jul 2013

I thought the Canadian life really rallied on the market up until recently when a big scare cause a massive soul market sell off. It really comes down to where what soul stimulative policies the central breeders are running I guess.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
10. Sad. Now its about how many Canadian lives equal the back of 1 American Maintenance worker
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jul 2013

I mean, damn man....how sad. They have to fix the runway? Bummer man.

Oh wait, doesn't this imply there isn't an end of the world at the top of the Washington border? There are other countries?

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
12. Honestly, I think it's about reassuring people engaged in (slightly) risk taking behavior.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jul 2013

Which, when weighed against the possibility of total out of the blue man made disaster, the media has no clue how to deal with it.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
3. I think I understand the media coverage.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jul 2013

1. Most of us relate to flying more than being near a railroad - and most have had some at least passing nervousness about it. So the media can do its sensationalizing thing, which is what it does best.

and 2. The plane thing doesn't bring up difficult questions. We can point a finger at a faulty mechanic or a faulty pilot, the story gets wrapped up neatly. The transport of hazardous materials, of crude, that's a whole other issue the corporate media doesn't want to debate.

Response to cali (Original post)

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
14. So do normal people.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jul 2013

I was on a plane less than 24 hours after the crash.

I spent lunch at SLC airport watching coverage of the crash.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
15. What you would be told if you called the Network and complained:
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jul 2013

"We don't have the massive budgets we once had, and so we are forced to cover news that happens within a major media outlet, so those "news feeds" can be routed over to the local audience." In this case, San Francisco NBC can have its reporters do coverage, and their coverage will get sent on to Omaha, and Denver and Chicago, etc.)

The Sacramento news station that we get in our area, they were covering a small fire that was burning up 200 acres. Meanwhile, a fire in my area had burned up more than 6,000 acres. Not a mention.

I kept placing calls, and they finally did a five minute piece on the larger fire. The story was told from the results of a phone call with one of the National Forestry agency people. they still didn't send out crews or anything.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
25. Yep.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jul 2013

My household has basically quit watching the news, except for more extraordinary situations. (Massive earthquakes, fires that affect us or family and friends, a major political scandal.) the news we see advertised while we watch a few TV shows is such nonsense as (And I wish I could say I am making it up), "Tonight at 11Pm. Learn from our reporters whether the iPod or Drone have more advantages for you."

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
20. What's strange is there was more American coverage of the Calgary flood.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jul 2013

I don't get it. This is by far a greater disaster with regards to human life.

malaise

(269,144 posts)
24. But but but to M$Greedia
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:57 PM
Jul 2013

all of Canada is in the back of beyond.
A plane crash also killed ten people in Alaska - have you seen coverage?

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
26. Canada doesnt exist for US news corps
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jul 2013

I've lived close to the Canadian border most of my life and I often wondered why we'd get very little news from Vancouver or Canada as a whole. It was like it or Canada wasnt there or something. I think they want to keep us isolationist and ignorant flag wavers.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
39. Dont watch TV or listen to NPR
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 04:50 AM
Jul 2013

but usually if a story is making the rounds, I'll hear about it here and there. The SF crash was all over everywhere like it was the Second Coming. This train crash? Not so much.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
37. DU is not a primary source. We get it from SOMEWHERE.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

What you're really saying, is that the local news services aren't packaging it up into the same convenient little bites as the Kardashian's latest heels in the air adventure.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
29. No "disinterest" here. I was waiting to hear more about how it happened.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jul 2013

I heard about it on the radio today. I saw a thread here and commented.

But I also agree with the first comment. I think the corporate media is less interested in covering a story that puts a bad light on fossil fuels and how they're transported. But it's not right to say it hasn't been covered at all in the mainstream media - I've seen lots of stories. Just not as much as the SF crash.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
30. You know why it's not being reported
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jul 2013

Oil companies: "Hey, NBC, CBS, ABC...want our ad dollars? Don't report oil spills. Mum's the word!!"

gopiscrap

(23,763 posts)
32. Yeah we are so ethno-centric and xenophobic
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jul 2013

my mom warned me about the attitudes in the US before we immigrated.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
34. It was wedged between a plane crash and forest fire deaths.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

Lots of people have flown through San Fran. Few have been through Lac Megantic. More people fly than ride on freight trains. So familiarity doesn't cut it.

Lots of people want gasoline and oil products but don't want pipelines. Pipelines, bad, nasty, evil. So the stuff gets shipped by rail? That's no good. If railroads are dangerous, pipelines ... okay? Oops. Back off, there. Got no huge eco angle.

Ah, let's blame lack of regulations. We need more regulations in this country to make railways safe ... for going from one place in Canada to another? No, no soapbox, no Big Story. Most Americans think of Canada as paradise for regulations.

The hotshot deaths. Forest fires, clean-cut young men with young families, nice human interest angle. Lac Megantic's downtown was trashed, but most of the dead seem to have been at a bar. Who were they? Uh, not identified. Do we have an emotional hook into them for MSM's viewship? Nuh-uh. A day or two later, and we still don't have a personal interest angle going.

What's the hook? Why should we care? Bad things happen everywhere. This might be important to people that live up in the frozen NE, near the Canadian border. What--all 28 of them? Even the Bangladesh factory collapse was a heinous disaster with an important hook: American brand-name label merchandise was made there, so we Americans are in some sense responsible. But a shipment of oil and natural gas on its way to Nova Scotia?

They got nothing. It's like many scores of horrible things that happen daily. Unless there's a hook--even something like a meteorite has more of a hook--there's no reason for viewers to care, no reason for the networks to pick up the story and do much with it. Why are the Canadians more important than Iraqis or Chinese or Zambians?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
35. Lac Megantic's been topping or near-topping lots of international news for days
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

It hasn't left the top three BBC stories since it happened, for instance. Canadian events generally get less coverage in the US - someone could light off a nuke over Toronto and I doubt it would preempt any other coverage - but I've seen mention of what's going on in Quebec in various US media as well. It's not a blaring headline, but it's been consistently at the top of the 'other stories' lists on various sites after their top two or three stories.

Coverage style matters some too - most of the media here dosen't have the same "relentlessly hammer the victims" mentality that happens south of the border - which would give some of the more ghoulish reporters a lot less material to work with.

I'm not too surprised (or even too upset) at the plane crash getting a lot of coverage though. It's getting a lot of coverage up here as well, usually at about the level the train wreck's getting in foreign news. I find it wholly understandable that it's getting a lot of attention too - a large plane crashing and most of the people on board walking away from the wreck is extraordinary news, and is the sort of thing people would understandably take an interest in. Lac Megantic getting wrecked is the more important event, I agree, but it's still not completely swept under the rug of the US media and for the most part I can understand why the coverage between this and the plane crash is skewed the way it is.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
36. Many people have a horror of plane crashes
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jul 2013

Ane when it's a big commercial jet, we all shudder. So it gets the front-page treatment. Ditto, shark attacks. There could be a thousand cars crashing in a day, but one kid gets eaten by a shark, and it'll be big news.

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