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HipChick

(25,485 posts)
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:00 PM Jul 2013

“Tomorrow the first phase of Edward Snowden’s ‘Flight of Liberty’ campaign will be launched..

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Latest WikiLeaks tweet..

In other words, Assange needs your money...


UPDATE: 07/10/2013...Flight of Liberty Still Waiting for Takeoff

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“Tomorrow the first phase of Edward Snowden’s ‘Flight of Liberty’ campaign will be launched.. (Original Post) HipChick Jul 2013 OP
Better Assange than the MIC/NSA/CIA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #1
+1. Those people are swimming in cash. They have so much money they don't know what to limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #50
Your assumption would be false. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #2
Flight of Liberty. I like the ring of that. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #3
Yeah, so all you fans, cough it up.. make sure you donate for Cha Jul 2013 #4
That has a better ring to it.. HipChick Jul 2013 #7
! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #24
and if you donate within the next 10 minutes Whisp Jul 2013 #25
lol nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #36
Oh Whisp.... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #59
Proud to be a fan of Democracy and the US Constitution. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #51
+1! snot Jul 2013 #58
Actually I think they have quit pretending, zeemike Jul 2013 #84
Privatization cannot be trusted with national security. See: Snowden. aquart Jul 2013 #176
Snowden for Depend briefs: Galraedia Jul 2013 #85
No, Snowden Runs and Cha Jul 2013 #94
LMAO! HipChick Jul 2013 #96
DUzy. aquart Jul 2013 #178
He's running and he's leaking... Whisp Jul 2013 #104
Nice teabag-style theme BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #5
Oh, you Cha Jul 2013 #33
Being championed by Assange, with his Russian-funded TV show BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #46
If you mean RT, it's one of the best news organizations available here. If you prefer sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #52
A more honest broker in this situation you will not find BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #55
Oh, I'm sure we could, but not on American Corporate Controlled media which is mostly sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #62
Assange owes the Russians and is gentle on them BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #65
You are clearly unfamiliar with the history of Wikileaks. Lol! Omg, he 'owes the Russians'. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #72
It's hilarious alright BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #75
+1 best.political.irony.ever flamingdem Jul 2013 #76
Yet all this consorting with the likes of Putin and Assange is FAR better than CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #194
So, bias in media is okay as long as it agrees with yours? brooklynite Jul 2013 #120
Really? RT is one of the best? Tell me about their coverage of Pussy Riot or Putin's crackdown on arely staircase Jul 2013 #152
No you can't roflmao Cha Jul 2013 #56
I know....yesterday one of his fanboys had the handle VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #97
Just rent a Macy's Day Parade balloon and be done with it. randome Jul 2013 #6
Thanks for finding another photo of Snowden. FSogol Jul 2013 #39
ROFL! HipChick Jul 2013 #41
Is that Pikachu? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #86
cool name quinnox Jul 2013 #8
The cost of getting a jet that can avoid non-friendly airspace without needing refueling HipChick Jul 2013 #9
if true, that is interesting quinnox Jul 2013 #10
The thing is Paypal,Visa,MC could be blocked.. HipChick Jul 2013 #13
that is what I'm thinking quinnox Jul 2013 #16
I've got a couple of bucks I will donate for that!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #12
do help the sweet bebe jesus any way you can.. in fact, give all the money you have... dionysus Jul 2013 #18
Rolf?? Is that you? bvar22 Jul 2013 #19
get what right, precisely? dionysus Jul 2013 #21
all of it nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #42
put that couple of bucks towards a bar of soap Whisp Jul 2013 #105
back to the sixties ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #150
oh yeah, that's Exactly what I meant. Whisp Jul 2013 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp Jul 2013 #188
that would be Flight of the Libertarians. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #27
I like these guys' 'flight' much, MUCH better Number23 Jul 2013 #30
That doesn't load for me Whisp Jul 2013 #32
It's a weird little tv show called Flight of the Concords. that's all. Number23 Jul 2013 #37
Dave Chapelle is touring with them this summer.. HipChick Jul 2013 #91
Dave Chapelle on tour! Great flamingdem Jul 2013 #146
+1 Wish all the libertarians would join him and go elsewhere. FSogol Jul 2013 #34
Might I suggest the Libertarian Paradise known as Somalia? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #98
Perfect: no taxes, small gubermint, moar gunz! FSogol Jul 2013 #112
DUzy. aquart Jul 2013 #177
It's apparently the first chapter of Snowden's autobiography... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #93
What's a heliocenter flamingdem Jul 2013 #99
A made-up word. Derived from the Greek "heliocentric". OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #102
An excellent word. Heliocenter. Brilliant. aquart Jul 2013 #181
I'm actually surprised that it's not. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #187
Heliocenter is now a word. aquart Jul 2013 #193
So it seems they want to charter a jet? Some other DUer said it would be about Cleita Jul 2013 #11
I am sure Feds will find a way to stop the coffers flowing HipChick Jul 2013 #14
Also, I wonder if there is a way they could intercept a jet like they do when one Cleita Jul 2013 #17
Finding a charter company with the right kind of jet that is also willing to cross the US hack89 Jul 2013 #53
Actually I think it will be easy HipChick Jul 2013 #61
Assange may be able to hitch a ride too. Whisp Jul 2013 #87
You have me imagining the Liberty Flight stopping over at the Ecuadoran Embassy flamingdem Jul 2013 #100
C'mon when it comes to business, there are those who put that first. Cleita Jul 2013 #77
You don't think for a second that the US government would make like miserable for them? hack89 Jul 2013 #113
I don't see this ending well...aiding and abetting a felon.. HipChick Jul 2013 #118
IOKIYAR applies here. Trump rented property to Khaddafi when no when else would. He fell Cleita Jul 2013 #125
Trump is not going to get involved. He is no fool. hack89 Jul 2013 #127
Of course he isn't unless he owns a charter jet company and I doubt he does. I used him Cleita Jul 2013 #129
Tom Morello offered to pay. bunnies Jul 2013 #165
Don't know. I haven't heard or read squat about it since then. Cleita Jul 2013 #167
Me either. I was just googling for an update. bunnies Jul 2013 #171
He's a modern day Paul Revere with a thumbdrive full of the news that tyranny is coming arely staircase Jul 2013 #15
^^YES^^ Progressive dog Jul 2013 #23
FTW Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #26
ROFLMAO, too rich! Whisp Jul 2013 #29
LOL! n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #31
Ringing the bells... FSogol Jul 2013 #35
He can see Russia from his hotel room! flamingdem Jul 2013 #67
indeed he can nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #69
Well he can see the Russian guard at least! flamingdem Jul 2013 #70
Ya Mean... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #111
hahaha oh my BenzoDia Jul 2013 #68
Oh Lawd alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #20
I forsee a tragic, unexplained, unforseeable multiple engine failure in Mr. Snowden's future Azathoth Jul 2013 #22
nothing so sinister arely staircase Jul 2013 #45
I nominate this Thread of the Month. Number23 Jul 2013 #28
I had to stop Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #40
ROFL!! I know!! That one got me too! And Whisp talking about Number23 Jul 2013 #43
Stop it!... HipChick Jul 2013 #49
I nominate this thread for a SNOzy, a new category at DU exclusively flamingdem Jul 2013 #71
Lol! I'm up writing a report... HipChick Jul 2013 #74
Thanks for reminding me. Bonobo Jul 2013 #38
I know, they are the best fundraisers for Wikileaks. I wouldn't have known about it sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #54
Obama's a pretty good fundraiser too... allin99 Jul 2013 #151
I bet Obama is kicking himself now. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #154
The only thing i hope is that he... allin99 Jul 2013 #155
I am sure your contribution to wikileaks hs humbled him nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #156
He certainly might be after the campaign raises their first mil allin99 Jul 2013 #157
I'm sure he thinks of little else nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #158
Me too wtmusic Jul 2013 #191
I believe Journey and STYX are available for the telethon railsback Jul 2013 #44
Maybe they could get Jesse Venture to do one of his rants davidpdx Jul 2013 #63
Shouldn't that be ProSense Jul 2013 #47
LOL Good one ProSense! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #101
These groupthink exercises are boring. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #48
'Ship of Fools' was taken, no? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #57
The GOP's booked a cruise for the summer recess. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #79
Yes, it was sunk though after France, Spain, Portugal and Austria jumped aboard sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #88
aka The Flight of the Bunglerbees Whisp Jul 2013 #60
Oh, I see now. That actually makes a heck of a lot of sense now. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #64
Theme Song for the "Flight of Liberty"! Onward! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #66
Theme Song for the Ship of Fools occupied, but sinking fast, by Spain, Portugal, France sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #89
WOW Thank You sabrina~~~~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #92
I'm so glad you like it, I wrote it just for you. The poor puppets, always in the dark sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #108
Morning laugh~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #122
And then, as soon as you donate, expect to be arrested and prosecuted for aiding and abetting, among silvershadow Jul 2013 #73
Drama?...It's a soap opera HipChick Jul 2013 #78
Don't you even feel tempted by a flamingdem Jul 2013 #80
Dang!...I'll never get this report finished tonight... HipChick Jul 2013 #81
No. Only good is the robust discussion of things, things we should have known but didn't. Don't silvershadow Jul 2013 #82
There is nothing to fear but fear itself. People have found ways to donate regardless sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #90
So I guess you must be one of those folks who screams about Gun Regulation VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #103
Another good try sabrina~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #106
I don't have to be somewhere to be able to empathize. I am not in Iraq but my heart sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #107
+1 and thanks, Sabrina magellan Jul 2013 #110
Just dropping in to say...Thank you for your ongoing efforts, Sabrina. Also, truth2power Jul 2013 #135
Thanks, sabrina 1 bvar22 Jul 2013 #143
Didn't Gerald Ford have a golden retriever named Liberty? winter is coming Jul 2013 #83
OMG! Chevy Chase's impression of Ford calling his stuffed dog Liberty rushed back in to my mind. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #95
LOL, that's probably why I went there, too. winter is coming Jul 2013 #142
Snowden Asylum Bid Leaves a Quandary on Getting There struggle4progress Jul 2013 #109
and not only do they need the money for fuel... allin99 Jul 2013 #153
What an amazing thread! Laelth Jul 2013 #114
Hey, ProSense Jul 2013 #115
Interesting response. Laelth Jul 2013 #117
You ProSense Jul 2013 #119
I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd. Laelth Jul 2013 #121
Oh please, ProSense Jul 2013 #123
I value the Democratic Party, and I value having Obama as President. Laelth Jul 2013 #124
No, ProSense Jul 2013 #126
I am missing your point. Laelth Jul 2013 #134
So, CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #144
Hey, Pro. I have to admit that the two threads to which you linked ... Laelth Jul 2013 #147
This is one of those times that you see a split on DU. There are those who wish ill Cleita Jul 2013 #128
You're using a broad brush to draw an incorrect conclusion. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #145
Really you are an expert on painting and brushes as metaphors? Cleita Jul 2013 #148
FACT: You have no proof he will be tortured or killed if arrested by the U.S. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #168
I say there is a good probability considering our past actions with other Cleita Jul 2013 #169
Also this is what Daniel Ellsberger, another whistle blower has to say about this. Cleita Jul 2013 #190
So far, the dude put up a dud and people are laughing. Big deal. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #131
So are our current relations with our allies, thanks to Snowden. aquart Jul 2013 #183
Dress up 20-30 people as zombies. randome Jul 2013 #116
Amazing threaad. I haven't lol'd this hard in a while. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #130
Well this outta be interesting. And since he's already starting with a 55% approval rating... allin99 Jul 2013 #132
If it exists on the Internet, MineralMan Jul 2013 #133
I'd rather send my money to a worthy cause...like the 3 girls that were kidnapped HipChick Jul 2013 #136
Well, I suspect that neither is in his future, really. MineralMan Jul 2013 #137
The intelligence community is not so forgiving.. HipChick Jul 2013 #138
Perhaps. Other leakers of classified materials MineralMan Jul 2013 #139
There was an 'actual hacker' that 'commited suicide' HipChick Jul 2013 #140
I have no idea about either. MineralMan Jul 2013 #141
So..Did Liberty Take off yet..? HipChick Jul 2013 #149
Murdoch wasn't interested in flamingdem Jul 2013 #159
Donald Trump? HipChick Jul 2013 #160
Speculations on Snowden's route, he's got a problem here flamingdem Jul 2013 #163
LOL!! Three Cheers for HipChick for starting this thread!! Number23 Jul 2013 #185
LOL! Fly Liberty! Fly! Unfurl Your Wings for Freedom! Skraxx Jul 2013 #161
If you'd given more they'll give you the Faux Outrage Fur coat! flamingdem Jul 2013 #162
Try putting that on a t-shirt. randome Jul 2013 #170
Shortened T-Shirt Version: Skraxx Jul 2013 #172
+1,000. Fuck Snowden, and FUCK Assange. n/t AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #174
Are we in line for takeoff yet? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #164
Today has been flamingdem Jul 2013 #166
WikiLeaks sure are a tease... HipChick Jul 2013 #179
Think he lost his shoes at the security checkpoint brooklynite Jul 2013 #182
Damn straight they do! AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #173
I wish they'd start freezing assets of people that support this criminal organization. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #175
I would not be too surprized if that starts to occur HipChick Jul 2013 #180
Sounds like a rimjob appeal... Historic NY Jul 2013 #184
!! Number23 Jul 2013 #186
Fly, Eddie, fly. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #192
I heard he's making an escape by land accompanied by a Wikileaks team flamingdem Jul 2013 #195
Snowden in Moscow: What Russian Authorities Might Be Doing with the NSA Whistleblower Read more: ht flamingdem Jul 2013 #196

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
50. +1. Those people are swimming in cash. They have so much money they don't know what to
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jul 2013

do with it. They have to invent things to do just to find something to do with all the extra money.


Cha

(297,650 posts)
4. Yeah, so all you fans, cough it up.. make sure you donate for
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jul 2013

Snowden's Leaker On The Run To Find a Nice Comfy Hidey Hole.. Launching.

there I fixed it.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
25. and if you donate within the next 10 minutes
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jul 2013

you will also receive a Popeil Pocket Traitorman!

so dial 1-990-PAUL

that's 1-990-PAUL

(our lines may be busy so please be patient and give us your credit card number on our nifty NSA endorsed recording device, hang up, and we will get back to you, honest!)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. Proud to be a fan of Democracy and the US Constitution.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jul 2013

And I would much prefer my money go to support the US Constitution as long as we are still pretending to be defending it (we are still, aren't we?) than to have billions of our tax dollars going to Bush's Private 'Security' Corporations to destroy it.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
84. Actually I think they have quit pretending,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

No need for that anymore sense they got a new batch of Kool Aid.
The constitution is just a piece of old paper and this is the digital age, where we are ruled by the cult of personalities...and the MIC.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
176. Privatization cannot be trusted with national security. See: Snowden.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jul 2013

Hoist them with their own albatross.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. If you mean RT, it's one of the best news organizations available here. If you prefer
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

the propaganda we get on the Corporate Media, that's your choice. I prefer news.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
62. Oh, I'm sure we could, but not on American Corporate Controlled media which is mostly
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jul 2013

entertainment and propaganda.

RT covers stories with that old 'liberal bias' so I could see why it might upset some. It's refreshing to see some of our most Liberal Americans have a voice on the air, considering they appear to be banned from our own media. Amy Goodman, Thom Harmann, even Larry King now free to be less 'non-partisan' amongst others.

And some great investigative reporters from Europe and here. Not to mention their very in depth interviews with Heads of State from all over the world without all the yelling and screaming or commercial interruptions.

Of course if you want to hear only one viewpoint, you won't like real news reporting. They do have voices from the right also, but they get CHALLENGED on RT.

BeyondGeography

(39,379 posts)
65. Assange owes the Russians and is gentle on them
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

while he makes it his life's cause to expose our hypocrisy, from a room in the Ecuadoran embassy in London where he is avoiding the Swedish police. Oh well.

But mainly, I'm enjoying the sight of libertarian Snowden being sheltered by authoritarian Putin until anti-American Assange can raise funds for a non-stop flight to socialist Venezuela.

Snowden's greatest fear was reportedly that nothing would change as a result of his actions. His "principles," such as they are or were, are by now so muddled and muddied that he is all but guaranteeing such an outcome.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
72. You are clearly unfamiliar with the history of Wikileaks. Lol! Omg, he 'owes the Russians'.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

That made me laugh.

Did you think Wikileaks appeared out of nowhere when they released leaks from the US?

Do you KNOW how much information on how many governments, Wikileaks had released BEFORE people here ever heard of them?

ANY Government with anything to hide, hated Wikileaks as they could not control them they way they control their own media.

Putin is probably thrilled to have Assange silenced.

I love it when people make claims like this without having a clue what they are talking about.

Wikileaks was an award winning news org before the US began their campaign to shut them down and Governments all the world breathed a sigh of relief.

A free press is not popular with people like Putin. He would probably have handed Assange over to the US.

Hilarious comment.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
194. Yet all this consorting with the likes of Putin and Assange is FAR better than
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jul 2013

dealing with the evil U.S.

So say the armchair Defenders of the Constitution who enjoy and take the fullest advantage of the ability to criticize their government and its evil practices on a daily basis from the comfort of their keyboards.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
152. Really? RT is one of the best? Tell me about their coverage of Pussy Riot or Putin's crackdown on
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jul 2013

gays.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
97. I know....yesterday one of his fanboys had the handle
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:42 AM
Jul 2013

"true patriots" and I pointed out how very teabaggerish that sounds....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Just rent a Macy's Day Parade balloon and be done with it.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jul 2013


[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font]
[hr]
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
10. if true, that is interesting
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

But we will see. That sounds like it could be a bit dodgy. Would that be legal and would a service like paypal or whatever allow it.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
13. The thing is Paypal,Visa,MC could be blocked..
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

could be tied in legalese to do with aiding and abetting an felon..

Response to Whisp (Reply #105)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
37. It's a weird little tv show called Flight of the Concords. that's all.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jul 2013

They're two guys from new Zealand in NY and everyone think's they're Australians which drives them insane. It's an INCREDIBLY funny show. Sorry the stupid page didn't load.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
93. It's apparently the first chapter of Snowden's autobiography...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jul 2013

tentatively titled "Hyperbolic Hagiography - How I Became the Heliocenter of Hubris".

I have heard, though, that he's searching Roget's for something a bit less ostentatious. To comport with his heroic humility, of course.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
187. I'm actually surprised that it's not.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

Goddamned grammar cops, though, with their secret rules and cabals and whatnot.

Say... why is whatnot a word? Shouldn't we be able to vote on these things?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. So it seems they want to charter a jet? Some other DUer said it would be about
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jul 2013

$200,000 to get one that could do 7,000 miles non-stop. I guess if he got 40,000 people to contribute $5 each it could be done.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
17. Also, I wonder if there is a way they could intercept a jet like they do when one
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jul 2013

gets too close to forbidden air space like over the white house. I suppose they could do anything over international waters.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
53. Finding a charter company with the right kind of jet that is also willing to cross the US
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jul 2013

will not be easy.

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
100. You have me imagining the Liberty Flight stopping over at the Ecuadoran Embassy
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:52 AM
Jul 2013

and dropping down a hook!

If this happens I will become a snowdenista!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
77. C'mon when it comes to business, there are those who put that first.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jul 2013

Does Donald Trump have a charter jet company? He'd do it a heartbeat for the right prices if he did.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
113. You don't think for a second that the US government would make like miserable for them?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:21 AM
Jul 2013

trumped up legal charges, IRS audits, loss of US landing rights due to "irregularities"?

how hard would it be to cost the company more than they earned flying Snowden?

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
118. I don't see this ending well...aiding and abetting a felon..
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:59 AM
Jul 2013

will be used to full advantage

Body bag or perp walk is the only thing I see Snowden doing

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
125. IOKIYAR applies here. Trump rented property to Khaddafi when no when else would. He fell
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jul 2013

under criticism and shrugged it off. No one went after him. If Martha Stewart, a Democrat, had catered a party for him, she would still be in prison. That's how things work. If the company has ties to any of the conservative organizations that own us, like maybe it's owned by a Koch Bros. holding company, there wouldn't even be an eyebrow raised.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
129. Of course he isn't unless he owns a charter jet company and I doubt he does. I used him
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jul 2013

as an example of someone who doesn't mind doing business for a good reward even if risky or unsavory.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
171. Me either. I was just googling for an update.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jul 2013

Nothing since the original story. Strikes me as a little odd considering how outspoken Morello can be.

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
67. He can see Russia from his hotel room!
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jul 2013

omg why haven't we used that sooner... thanks for the reminder

!!!

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
111. Ya Mean...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:51 AM
Jul 2013

...they took away his access to the Cinnabon? That's torture!! And I'll bet they cut down on his wi-fi as well...speaking of which, has anyone actually seen Snowden in the past couple weeks? I mean actual pictures or any evidence that he truly does exist???

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
22. I forsee a tragic, unexplained, unforseeable multiple engine failure in Mr. Snowden's future
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jul 2013

Over international waters, of course.

Do svidaniya, comrade

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
45. nothing so sinister
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jul 2013

the "mechanical trouble" will happen in such a way that the plane will have to divert to a US airport. nobody will ever have been in danger and Mr. Snowden will be safe and secure with the US Marshals.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
43. ROFL!! I know!! That one got me too! And Whisp talking about
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

"call now in the next ten minutes and get a Ron Paul Pocket Traitorman" though she really should have said "call now in the next ten minutes and we'll take your donation and register you to vote in Victoria so that you can vote Assange into the Australian Senate. No citizenship, residency or even mild interest in Australian politics required!"

From what I've been hearing, Brother man needs ALLLLL of the help he can get! And not just 'cause he's currently holed up in London!!

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
49. Stop it!...
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jul 2013

I can't breathe!... Ron Paul Pocket Traitorman"? omg..too funny..Funniest thing I have read on DU all day..

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. I know, they are the best fundraisers for Wikileaks. I wouldn't have known about it
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jul 2013

but when I see Faux et al go after anyone, I know they deserve support.

allin99

(894 posts)
151. Obama's a pretty good fundraiser too...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jul 2013

i gave wikileaks money as soon as he sent Mr. Morales plane off course.

allin99

(894 posts)
155. The only thing i hope is that he...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jul 2013

really really hated that he had to do that. (not saying he really did have to, although clearly they thought for sure ES was on that plane, or that was the dumbest move of alllll time, but still).

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
88. Yes, it was sunk though after France, Spain, Portugal and Austria jumped aboard
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

and it began to take on leaks! They claim they didn't know what was going on, which only makes them perfect passengers for the Ship of Fools. Maybe some day they will aim for the Flight of Liberty again, as the Latin American nations have done.

sheshe2

(83,898 posts)
66. Theme Song for the "Flight of Liberty"! Onward!
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

I give him all my love
That's all I do
And if you saw my love
You'd love him too
I love him

He gives me everything
And tenderly
The kiss my lover brings
He brings to me
And I love him

A love like ours
Could never die
As long as I
Have you near me

Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love him

Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love him~~~~



http://www.metrolyrics.com/and-i-love-her-lyrics-beatles.html

Okay yup, I changed a few words~


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
89. Theme Song for the Ship of Fools occupied, but sinking fast, by Spain, Portugal, France
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jul 2013

Austria and Italy:

"Tell me quick" said Old McFee
"What's this all have to do with me?"
"I've spent all my time at sea a loner."

"Is there something else I should know?"
"Something hidden down below the level of your conversation?"
Well he turned away before the answer
Though I yelled aloud he refused to hear
It became to clear
So it went as we put out
I was left in constant doubt
Everything I asked about seemed private


The captain strolled the bridge one night
I stopped him in the evening light
[From: http://www.elyrics.net ]
To ask him would it be all right to join him

But he stood there like some idol
And he listened like some temple
And then he turned away

All along the fateful coast
We moved silent like a ghost
The timeless sea of tireless host possessed us
The wind came building from the cold northwest
And soon the waves began to crest
Crashing cross the forward deck
All hands lost

I alone survived the sinking
I alone possessed the tools
On that ship of fools
Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net</a>


It's hard being puppets of the world's biggest Empire. Poor fools, maybe they learned a lesson this time. Never give up your sovereignty, no matter how tempting the material rewards may be.



Oh yes, h/t to msanthrope for the reference!

sheshe2

(83,898 posts)
92. WOW Thank You sabrina~~~~
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:55 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)

I could not, not ever, have said it better myself!

"Is there something else I should know?" "Something hidden down below the level of your conversation?"
Well he turned away before the answer
Though I yelled aloud he refused to hear
It became to clear
So it went as we put out
I was left in constant doubt
Everything I asked about seemed private


I totally agree with you! Eddie should tell us what we need to know, something hidden far below. Yet he turned away before the answer, as he ran away. Da ron -ron -ron da ron-ron~~~~ Though we all yelled loudly...he refused to hear. It then became clear....We were left with constant doubt about any validity to what he was standing for. It's so sad, because everything he said is so private!

Thank you for underlining my point on your Ship of Fools! Well done~

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
108. I'm so glad you like it, I wrote it just for you. The poor puppets, always in the dark
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:00 AM
Jul 2013

just obeying the puppet master. Fools is too good a word for all of them, but one has to try to be kind I suppose.

I especially like this part:

We were left with constant doubt about any validity to what he was standing for. It's so sad, because everything he said is so private!


But the power and the money they get in return, too tempting to turn down.

I was hoping you'd appreciate it, no need to thank me!

And the US isn't even defending them. That's what happens when you sell out for power and money, you get left wondering what you or the puppet masters stand for.

sheshe2

(83,898 posts)
122. Morning laugh~
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jul 2013
We were left with constant doubt about any validity to what he was standing for. It's so sad, because everything he said is so private!


Thanks again for Hi-lighting the fact that Eddie left us hanging without any information....he is a tease that's for sure. Oh wait, he DID tell someone. He leeeeeeaaaked it to China and Russia.

Bye
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
73. And then, as soon as you donate, expect to be arrested and prosecuted for aiding and abetting, among
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

other things. No, thanks. I am but a spectator to this drama.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
78. Drama?...It's a soap opera
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jul 2013

I could not have come up with a better script.. I'm going to steal what I purport to be govt secrets, flee to Hong Kong, get snooked by Assange and end up in a Russian hellhole? um..ok
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
82. No. Only good is the robust discussion of things, things we should have known but didn't. Don't
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

know what secrets he stole, but if he did he'll face the piper at some point. Meantime, I'm going to continue to focus on some potential good to our democratic republic in the long run by fixing some of the oversights.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. People have found ways to donate regardless
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:35 AM
Jul 2013

of the Big Brother's watchful eyes. Not as watchful as they should be or we would not have had the tragedy of the Boston Bombing.

Isn't it sad that you have to feel that way in a so-called 'democracy' though. You should feel free to donate to whomever you wish.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
103. So I guess you must be one of those folks who screams about Gun Regulation
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:56 AM
Jul 2013

not stopping all gun violence too huh?

sheshe2

(83,898 posts)
106. Another good try sabrina~
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:37 AM
Jul 2013

Ya'll keep saying that NSA knows all. They know everything that we think, feel,post and talk about Well if they know all that...why did they NOT know about Boston. Ya'll say they live and breath our air. Why was Boston not known.

I am from Massachusetts, We are all Boston here.

We are Strong! We also support the "Authoritarians" that kept us safe. Their were many at DU that trashed our grief and our heartbreaking sorrow. You were not here. You have no clue what we went through. We were called sheeple. I don't believe you lived through the tears and the agonizing heartbreak that we suffered. We had friends and family suffer when they ran to assist the fallen.They are still receiving counseling for what they saw. I could post a picture or two if you wish. Most are pretty gruesome.

You know not of what you speak. That is sad.






Is it a rational discussion that we should have? Should there be changes? Yes!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
107. I don't have to be somewhere to be able to empathize. I am not in Iraq but my heart
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:42 AM
Jul 2013

breaks for the mothers there, or in Afghanistan, or in Pakistan when a mother has to pick up the pieces of her child not even sure if it is her child, to bury. I was in NY when 9/11 happened, I had friends who worked right in the area that was attacked, I had afriend whose daughter, pregnant, was killed trying to escape the falling debris, expecting to have lunch with her that day.

No one here believes that they know everything about everyone'. What we KNOW is that if someone makes themselves too conspicuous, they now have access to immense amounts of data they can pull up and use against them. That is enough.

We also know that this is against the rights of the people under the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that every elected official swears to defend and protect.

And we know that most of those who support these policies are former Bush supporters, like King, Fleischer, Bush, Cheney. What a nightmare, to vindicate these war criminals by having Democrats continue policies we hoped to end.

And we know that most of this 'data' collection is being funded by US, and that money is going to the very Corporations that we on the 'left' CLAIM we recognize as a threat to this democracy.

Booz Allen, multi billion dollar Republican Corporation, friends of Bush, CEO Clapper walking through the revolving door into the position of Director of Intelligence, in a DEMOCRATIC administration.

You go right ahead and support all of this, hand over your rights if you wish, but you don't get to hand over everyone else's. No one can stop you from supporting whatever you want to support, but you won't stop those of us who have not changed our minds about what was so wrong with this country when Bush was president.

What happened in Boston was another, of many, many tragedies that should have been stopped IF all this data mining was really about terror. But it isn't, and the tragedy is that if they were using the proven methods of tracking terrorists, they WOULD have been watching THEM instead of all the rest of us.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
110. +1 and thanks, Sabrina
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:31 AM
Jul 2013

The cackling here is stultifying. I don't understand why any Dem would trust 10 Rethug judges to define secret laws but vilify one lone alleged libertarian who knew he was throwing his life away because he thought it was important to show us just what those judges are rubber-stamping. All I know is this isn't the DU it used to be.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
135. Just dropping in to say...Thank you for your ongoing efforts, Sabrina. Also,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013

you're correct. It's not about terrorism. And the implication of that is even more disturbing.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
143. Thanks, sabrina 1
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jul 2013

That was eloquent and diplomatic.
I'm much more direct.
[font size=3]"There is no cure for stupid."[/font]


Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
95. OMG! Chevy Chase's impression of Ford calling his stuffed dog Liberty rushed back in to my mind.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jul 2013

And 3 of my brain cells went snap, crackle, and pop just remembering it.

struggle4progress

(118,334 posts)
109. Snowden Asylum Bid Leaves a Quandary on Getting There
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:37 AM
Jul 2013

By David Lerman - Jul 9, 2013 10:35 PM ET

... avoiding a route over U.S. allies wouldn’t be easy.

Allen Thomson, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst, outlined a theoretical route for Foreign Policy magazine: “Fly north to the Barents Sea, thence over to and through the Denmark Strait. Continue south, steering clear of Newfoundland until getting to the east of the Windward Islands. Fly through some convenient gap between islands and continue on to Caracas.”

Thomson pegged the distance of such a trip at 11,000 kilometers, or about 6,800 miles ...

WikiLeaks ... had a chartered airplane on stand-by to carry him from Hong Kong to Moscow ... The organization, which is running short of cash, “currently” has no plans to fly Snowden out of Moscow, Olafur Vignir Sigurvinsson, an Iceland-based WikiLeaks representative, said by phone this week ...

Chartering a long-range jet aircraft traveling from Moscow to Caracas would cost at least $134,490 ...


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-10/snowden-asylum-bid-leaves-a-quandary-on-getting-there.html

allin99

(894 posts)
153. and not only do they need the money for fuel...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jul 2013

they need someone who will somehow get him that jet. I suspect that will be, in a very subtle way, part of the campaign. You'll probably see statements like "we had someone willing to fly but his plane isnt long range". We shall see.

That would be the boldest escape in American history.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
114. What an amazing thread!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:36 AM
Jul 2013

The mean-spiritedness on display here saddens me.

I've seen it before. It's not new, but it is always ugly.

-Laelth

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
115. Hey,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:45 AM
Jul 2013
What an amazing thread!

The mean-spiritedness on display here saddens me.

I've seen it before. It's not new, but it is always ugly.

...you should see this one: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023087676

Try reading through this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023185307

Snowden is in the news because of his actions, and like everyone else, from Obama to Republicans, he will be criticized.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023209575

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
117. Interesting response.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jul 2013

It appears to me that the Constitution's defenders and the defenders of the human right to some modicum of privacy, vis-a-vis the governments that control our lives, have achieved the "laugh at you" level predicted by Mohandas Gandhi.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

The Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread. I wonder what DU will look like when the Constitution's defenders are actively being fought?



-Laelth

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
119. You
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jul 2013

"The Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread. I wonder what DU will look like when the Constitution's defenders are actively being fought?"

...claimed that the "mean-spiritedness on display here saddens" you, but when presented with evidence of "mean-spiritedness" directed at a DUer, your response is to claim that the "Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread"?

So it's not "mean-spiritedness" that upsets you, it's criticism of Snowden.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
121. I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:12 AM
Jul 2013

Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it.

-Laelth

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
123. Oh please,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jul 2013

"I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd. Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it."

...labeling others "pro-party/pro-Obama crowd" and yourself and, as opposites go, the anti-party/anti-Obama crowd "the Constitution's defenders" is beyond silly.

You seem to want to put yourself on a pedestal in order to mock others and dismiss criticism of Snowden.



Laelth

(32,017 posts)
124. I value the Democratic Party, and I value having Obama as President.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:03 AM
Jul 2013

You mis-understand and mis-characterize my motives.

But I do see a lot of laughing in this thread, and I think that's telling.

-Laelth

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
126. No,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jul 2013

"You mis-understand and mis-characterize my motives. "

...you're doing that to others when you claim:

"I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd. Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it."



CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
144. So,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jul 2013

the "Defenders of the Constitution" have CO-OPTED that label (does that remind anyone of the "Moral Majority"?), and when THEY question the mental status or individual thinking capability of those who aren't in LOCKSTEP with their view, or make fun of other people (ProSense has already pointed out some examples), it's all good, because they're the DEFENDERS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND OF HUMAN RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. Is that it?

Sounds like the same argument made by people who do things in the name of their religion. You know, 'Deputized by the Lord' and all. But I'm sure the parallels will be ignored.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
147. Hey, Pro. I have to admit that the two threads to which you linked ...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jul 2013

... are also pretty mean-spirited. I hadn't seen those two, but it's clear that this is a two-way street.

For what that's worth.

-Laelth

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
128. This is one of those times that you see a split on DU. There are those who wish ill
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:19 AM
Jul 2013

to those they consider deserve it, never mind we don't know all the facts, and those who feel we are better than that and really don't want to see someone possibly tortured and receiving ill treatment.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
145. You're using a broad brush to draw an incorrect conclusion.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

The DOJ has filed charges against Snowden. He's evading the law.

Some people simply want him to account for his actions. That is NOT "wishing ill". If he didn't want the risk of jail, he shouldn't have shared information with foreign countries, which has NOTHING to do with "exposing" surveillance of American citizens.

It's dishonest to essentially make the simplistic claim "We're the good guys, and those who disagree with us are the bad guys".

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
148. Really you are an expert on painting and brushes as metaphors?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

This seems to be a common accusation here when trying to discredit what a poster says no matter how true it is.

Fact. Accusing this person of espionage and the prison sentences or even execution that might come from a trial is over the top. This man is a whistle blower not any enemy agent. The charges are dishonest which means a trial will not be honest either. Considering what our country has done to others whom have exposed the rot that is our NSA, I say run Eddie run.

Fact. You don't know if he has given anything to foreign countries. It's just another accusation with no proof. All anyone knows is what was released to the press for everyone to see about the surveillance.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
168. FACT: You have no proof he will be tortured or killed if arrested by the U.S.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jul 2013

But it doesn't stop you and a number of others from operating on that assumption as if it's a foregone conclusion. Is that over the top, or is it OK because you hold that position?

Never mind the fact that everyone cheering him on is doing so on the basis of an UNPROVEN claim that the U.S. is spying on individual citizens without their knowledge.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
190. Also this is what Daniel Ellsberger, another whistle blower has to say about this.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jul 2013
There is no chance that experience could be reproduced today, let alone that a trial could be terminated by the revelation of White House actions against a defendant that were clearly criminal in Richard Nixon’s era — and figured in his resignation in the face of impeachment — but are today all regarded as legal (including an attempt to “incapacitate me totally”).

I hope Snowden’s revelations will spark a movement to rescue our democracy, but he could not be part of that movement had he stayed here. There is zero chance that he would be allowed out on bail if he returned now and close to no chance that, had he not left the country, he would have been granted bail. Instead, he would be in a prison cell like Bradley Manning, incommunicado.

He would almost certainly be confined in total isolation, even longer than the more than eight months Manning suffered during his three years of imprisonment before his trial began recently. The United Nations Special Rapporteur for Torture described Manning’s conditions as “cruel, inhuman and degrading.” (That realistic prospect, by itself, is grounds for most countries granting Snowden asylum, if they could withstand bullying and bribery from the United States.)

Snowden believes that he has done nothing wrong. I agree wholeheartedly. More than 40 years after my unauthorized disclosure of the Pentagon Papers, such leaks remain the lifeblood of a free press and our republic. One lesson of the Pentagon Papers and Snowden’s leaks is simple: secrecy corrupts, just as power corrupts.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-leaker-snowden-made-the-right-call/2013/07/07/0b46d96c-e5b7-11e2-aef3-339619eab080_story.html
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
116. Dress up 20-30 people as zombies.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jul 2013

Walk out the front door.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font]
[hr]

allin99

(894 posts)
132. Well this outta be interesting. And since he's already starting with a 55% approval rating...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jul 2013

seems to me like the U.S. Gov't better get kick their anti-snowden campaign into high gear.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
136. I'd rather send my money to a worthy cause...like the 3 girls that were kidnapped
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jul 2013

the only outcomes i see for Eddie is a body bag or perp walk

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
137. Well, I suspect that neither is in his future, really.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jul 2013

If he makes it to Venezuela, he can stay there until nobody even remembers his name. Maybe Venezuela will use his skills to fine-tune their own domestic surveillance program.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
138. The intelligence community is not so forgiving..
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jul 2013

and I done think he has enough core knowledge to help .. i guess he can help build presentation Powerpoints

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
139. Perhaps. Other leakers of classified materials
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jul 2013

are still around, so I guess they're not as bloodthirsty as some think. As for Snowden's qualifications, I'm sure you're right. Still, if he has trouble with PowerPoint, I used to write tips for that software for a major PC publication. Perhaps I could help him, if he asked really nicely and paid my invoices on a timely basis.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
140. There was an 'actual hacker' that 'commited suicide'
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jul 2013

though I suspect he had help

and CT on Micheal Hastings

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
159. Murdoch wasn't interested in
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013

donating.

Now they're hitting the Rolodex. Where's that number? Maybe George Soros..?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
185. LOL!! Three Cheers for HipChick for starting this thread!!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jul 2013


And props to everyone that ignored the ever-living hell out of the crap-stirrers that can't let ONE DAMN THREAD go by without defecating in it and then trying to tell everyone "it's for our own good" since they "know so much more/better/what the fuck ever" than everyone else when it is apparent to EVERYONE that they know very little at all.

Skraxx

(2,981 posts)
161. LOL! Fly Liberty! Fly! Unfurl Your Wings for Freedom!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jul 2013

"I donated to "Flight of Liberty" and all I got was a smug sense of faux moral superiority, and the feeling that I did something constructive, in lieu of actually accomplishing anything constructive."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
170. Try putting that on a t-shirt.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jul 2013

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font]
[hr]

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
175. I wish they'd start freezing assets of people that support this criminal organization.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jul 2013

They deserve destitution.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
186. !!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jul 2013


Same level of needless drama and "THE WoRLD WILL END IF YOU DoN'T SUPPORT US!!1one" foolishness, slightly better spelling.

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
196. Snowden in Moscow: What Russian Authorities Might Be Doing with the NSA Whistleblower Read more: ht
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013
http://world.time.com/2013/07/10/snowden-in-moscow-what-are-russian-authorities-doing-with-the-nsa-whistleblower/


... some ideas of what might be holding things up


Gordievsky believes Snowden would have gotten roughly the same treatment that the KGB spy got back in 1985. “They would have fed him something to loosen his tongue,” Gordievsky says by phone from the U.K., where he has been living in exile for nearly three decades. “Many different kinds of drugs are available, as I experienced for myself.” Having been called back to Moscow, Gordievsky says his KGB comrades drugged him with a substance that “turned out his lights” and made him “start talking in a very animated way.” Although the drug wiped out most of his memory of the incident, the parts he did recollect horrified him the following morning, when he woke up feeling ill. “I realized that I had completely compromised myself,” he says.

One of the substances the KGB used for such purposes at the time was called SP-117, which is odorless, tasteless and colorless, according Alexander Kouzminov, a former Russian intelligence operative who describes the drug’s effectiveness in his book, Biological Espionage. Now living in New Zealand, Kouzminov worked in the 1980s and early 1990s for the Foreign Intelligence Service, the spy agency known as the SVR, which handles undercover agents, or “illegals,” stationed in foreign countries. In his book, Kouzminov writes that various drugs were used periodically to test these operatives for signs of disloyalty or diversion. Once the drug had worn off, the agents would have no recollection of what they had said and, if their test results were satisfactory, they could be sent back into the field as though nothing had happened.

Although it is impossible to determine which of Russia’s secret services could be handling Snowden’s case, Gordievsky believes it would be either the SVR or the Federal Agency for Government Communication and Information, known as FAPSI, which answers directly to the Kremlin. FAPSI is the Russian analogue to the U.S. National Security Agency, where Snowden worked as a contractor before fleeing to Hong Kong in May with a cache of the agency’s files.

(MORE: Putin to Offer Snowden Asylum, but With a Catch)

Most of the secrets Snowden has exposed are related to the NSA’s vast surveillance programs, which he revealed to be collecting data on tens of millions of phone calls and Internet communications around the world. FAPSI, which operates its own data gathering stations in various countries, mostly in the former Soviet Union, would be keen to learn as much as possible about the work of its American counterpart. “[Snowden] could have information about the internal parameters of these systems, their lists of targets and priorities,” says Vladimir Rubanov, who headed the KGB’s analytical directorate in 1991-1992, after which he served three years as deputy head of the Russian Security Council. “Yes, all of this is pretty interesting,” he says. “And it is a fool who has the chance to get information and misses it.”

But Rubanov, who has remained closer to the security services than the other former agents TIME interviewed, tried to downplay Snowden’s importance. “I don’t think he has anything that would really surprise us,” says Rubanov, who sits on the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a state-connected think tank. “The Americans shouldn’t worry so much,” he says. And even if Russia wanted to get Snowden’s encryption keys, there would be no need to drug him. “I think he would give them up himself. It’s just a question of price.”

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/07/10/snowden-in-moscow-what-are-russian-authorities-doing-with-the-nsa-whistleblower/#ixzz2YhLLfD6q
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