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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums“Tomorrow the first phase of Edward Snowden’s ‘Flight of Liberty’ campaign will be launched..
Last edited Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)
Latest WikiLeaks tweet..
In other words, Assange needs your money...
UPDATE: 07/10/2013...Flight of Liberty Still Waiting for Takeoff
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)do with it. They have to invent things to do just to find something to do with all the extra money.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)Snowden's Leaker On The Run To Find a Nice Comfy Hidey Hole.. Launching.
there I fixed it.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Okay, that was funny.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)you will also receive a Popeil Pocket Traitorman!
so dial 1-990-PAUL
that's 1-990-PAUL
(our lines may be busy so please be patient and give us your credit card number on our nifty NSA endorsed recording device, hang up, and we will get back to you, honest!)
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And I would much prefer my money go to support the US Constitution as long as we are still pretending to be defending it (we are still, aren't we?) than to have billions of our tax dollars going to Bush's Private 'Security' Corporations to destroy it.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)No need for that anymore sense they got a new batch of Kool Aid.
The constitution is just a piece of old paper and this is the digital age, where we are ruled by the cult of personalities...and the MIC.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Hoist them with their own albatross.
Galraedia
(5,027 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)Leaks.. & leaks & leaks & leaks... maybe ad infinitum.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I never nominate and I just did it twice in one thread.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)get that man
I.T. Depends.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)got that...
Libertarian Leaker Liberty Lam.. lol
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)You can't make this shit up.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the propaganda we get on the Corporate Media, that's your choice. I prefer news.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)entertainment and propaganda.
RT covers stories with that old 'liberal bias' so I could see why it might upset some. It's refreshing to see some of our most Liberal Americans have a voice on the air, considering they appear to be banned from our own media. Amy Goodman, Thom Harmann, even Larry King now free to be less 'non-partisan' amongst others.
And some great investigative reporters from Europe and here. Not to mention their very in depth interviews with Heads of State from all over the world without all the yelling and screaming or commercial interruptions.
Of course if you want to hear only one viewpoint, you won't like real news reporting. They do have voices from the right also, but they get CHALLENGED on RT.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)while he makes it his life's cause to expose our hypocrisy, from a room in the Ecuadoran embassy in London where he is avoiding the Swedish police. Oh well.
But mainly, I'm enjoying the sight of libertarian Snowden being sheltered by authoritarian Putin until anti-American Assange can raise funds for a non-stop flight to socialist Venezuela.
Snowden's greatest fear was reportedly that nothing would change as a result of his actions. His "principles," such as they are or were, are by now so muddled and muddied that he is all but guaranteeing such an outcome.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That made me laugh.
Did you think Wikileaks appeared out of nowhere when they released leaks from the US?
Do you KNOW how much information on how many governments, Wikileaks had released BEFORE people here ever heard of them?
ANY Government with anything to hide, hated Wikileaks as they could not control them they way they control their own media.
Putin is probably thrilled to have Assange silenced.
I love it when people make claims like this without having a clue what they are talking about.
Wikileaks was an award winning news org before the US began their campaign to shut them down and Governments all the world breathed a sigh of relief.
A free press is not popular with people like Putin. He would probably have handed Assange over to the US.
Hilarious comment.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)The only thing missing is a good Nino Rota soundtrack.
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)dealing with the evil U.S.
So say the armchair Defenders of the Constitution who enjoy and take the fullest advantage of the ability to criticize their government and its evil practices on a daily basis from the comfort of their keyboards.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)gays.
Cha
(297,650 posts)that's why it's so damn interesting and more than a little funny. lol
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)"true patriots" and I pointed out how very teabaggerish that sounds....
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font]
[hr]
FSogol
(45,525 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)Flight of Liberty.
I'm interested what this is about.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)But we will see. That sounds like it could be a bit dodgy. Would that be legal and would a service like paypal or whatever allow it.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)could be tied in legalese to do with aiding and abetting an felon..
quinnox
(20,600 posts)so not sure this is about soliciting for money, but who knows.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts):rolf:
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Man, if you can't even get THAT right.....
dionysus
(26,467 posts)the typo?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)for dirty face lil bro.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)dirty hippies.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)lol.
Snowden is about as hippyish as argyle socks.
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)can you describe?
Number23
(24,544 posts)They're two guys from new Zealand in NY and everyone think's they're Australians which drives them insane. It's an INCREDIBLY funny show. Sorry the stupid page didn't load.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I can't wait..it should be a hoot
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Haven't heard about him in a while. I still watch his old shows.
FSogol
(45,525 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)FSogol
(45,525 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)tentatively titled "Hyperbolic Hagiography - How I Became the Heliocenter of Hubris".
I have heard, though, that he's searching Roget's for something a bit less ostentatious. To comport with his heroic humility, of course.
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)a helicopter landing pad?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Alliteration are an arse. But I tried.
aquart
(69,014 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Goddamned grammar cops, though, with their secret rules and cabals and whatnot.
Say... why is whatnot a word? Shouldn't we be able to vote on these things?
aquart
(69,014 posts)I have spoken.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)$200,000 to get one that could do 7,000 miles non-stop. I guess if he got 40,000 people to contribute $5 each it could be done.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)gets too close to forbidden air space like over the white house. I suppose they could do anything over international waters.
hack89
(39,171 posts)will not be easy.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)He may just not end up where he wanted to go..
Whisp
(24,096 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)and dropping down a hook!
If this happens I will become a snowdenista!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Does Donald Trump have a charter jet company? He'd do it a heartbeat for the right prices if he did.
hack89
(39,171 posts)trumped up legal charges, IRS audits, loss of US landing rights due to "irregularities"?
how hard would it be to cost the company more than they earned flying Snowden?
HipChick
(25,485 posts)will be used to full advantage
Body bag or perp walk is the only thing I see Snowden doing
Cleita
(75,480 posts)under criticism and shrugged it off. No one went after him. If Martha Stewart, a Democrat, had catered a party for him, she would still be in prison. That's how things work. If the company has ties to any of the conservative organizations that own us, like maybe it's owned by a Koch Bros. holding company, there wouldn't even be an eyebrow raised.
hack89
(39,171 posts)he also has nothing to gain from it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)as an example of someone who doesn't mind doing business for a good reward even if risky or unsavory.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Wonder what happened?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Nothing since the original story. Strikes me as a little odd considering how outspoken Morello can be.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)you betcha!
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)FSogol
(45,525 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)omg why haven't we used that sooner... thanks for the reminder
!!!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...they took away his access to the Cinnabon? That's torture!! And I'll bet they cut down on his wi-fi as well...speaking of which, has anyone actually seen Snowden in the past couple weeks? I mean actual pictures or any evidence that he truly does exist???
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Azathoth
(4,611 posts)Over international waters, of course.
Do svidaniya, comrade
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the "mechanical trouble" will happen in such a way that the plane will have to divert to a US airport. nobody will ever have been in danger and Mr. Snowden will be safe and secure with the US Marshals.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The OP was good but the RESPONSES...!!
K&R!!
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)reading here http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023212434#post6 to wipe my eyes so I could read the rest of the thread.
Number23
(24,544 posts)"call now in the next ten minutes and get a Ron Paul Pocket Traitorman" though she really should have said "call now in the next ten minutes and we'll take your donation and register you to vote in Victoria so that you can vote Assange into the Australian Senate. No citizenship, residency or even mild interest in Australian politics required!"
From what I've been hearing, Brother man needs ALLLLL of the help he can get! And not just 'cause he's currently holed up in London!!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I can't breathe!... Ron Paul Pocket Traitorman"? omg..too funny..Funniest thing I have read on DU all day..
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)for best Snowden threads!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)or supposed to be...but these responses are hilarious...
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I just donated so I guess they should thank you too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)but when I see Faux et al go after anyone, I know they deserve support.
allin99
(894 posts)i gave wikileaks money as soon as he sent Mr. Morales plane off course.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)allin99
(894 posts)really really hated that he had to do that. (not saying he really did have to, although clearly they thought for sure ES was on that plane, or that was the dumbest move of alllll time, but still).
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)allin99
(894 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)Hosted by Scott Chachi Biao.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Flight of Libertarian"?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and it began to take on leaks! They claim they didn't know what was going on, which only makes them perfect passengers for the Ship of Fools. Maybe some day they will aim for the Flight of Liberty again, as the Latin American nations have done.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)I give him all my love
That's all I do
And if you saw my love
You'd love him too
I love him
He gives me everything
And tenderly
The kiss my lover brings
He brings to me
And I love him
A love like ours
Could never die
As long as I
Have you near me
Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love him
Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love him~~~~
http://www.metrolyrics.com/and-i-love-her-lyrics-beatles.html
Okay yup, I changed a few words~
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Austria and Italy:
"What's this all have to do with me?"
"I've spent all my time at sea a loner."
"Is there something else I should know?"
"Something hidden down below the level of your conversation?"
Well he turned away before the answer
Though I yelled aloud he refused to hear
It became to clear
So it went as we put out
I was left in constant doubt
Everything I asked about seemed private
The captain strolled the bridge one night
I stopped him in the evening light
[From: http://www.elyrics.net ]
To ask him would it be all right to join him
But he stood there like some idol
And he listened like some temple
And then he turned away
All along the fateful coast
We moved silent like a ghost
The timeless sea of tireless host possessed us
The wind came building from the cold northwest
And soon the waves began to crest
Crashing cross the forward deck
All hands lost
I alone survived the sinking
I alone possessed the tools
On that ship of fools
Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net</a>
It's hard being puppets of the world's biggest Empire. Poor fools, maybe they learned a lesson this time. Never give up your sovereignty, no matter how tempting the material rewards may be.
Oh yes, h/t to msanthrope for the reference!
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)
I could not, not ever, have said it better myself!
Well he turned away before the answer
Though I yelled aloud he refused to hear
It became to clear
So it went as we put out
I was left in constant doubt
Everything I asked about seemed private
I totally agree with you! Eddie should tell us what we need to know, something hidden far below. Yet he turned away before the answer, as he ran away. Da ron -ron -ron da ron-ron~~~~ Though we all yelled loudly...he refused to hear. It then became clear....We were left with constant doubt about any validity to what he was standing for. It's so sad, because everything he said is so private!
Thank you for underlining my point on your Ship of Fools! Well done~
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)just obeying the puppet master. Fools is too good a word for all of them, but one has to try to be kind I suppose.
I especially like this part:
But the power and the money they get in return, too tempting to turn down.
I was hoping you'd appreciate it, no need to thank me!
And the US isn't even defending them. That's what happens when you sell out for power and money, you get left wondering what you or the puppet masters stand for.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Thanks again for Hi-lighting the fact that Eddie left us hanging without any information....he is a tease that's for sure. Oh wait, he DID tell someone. He leeeeeeaaaked it to China and Russia.
Bye
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)other things. No, thanks. I am but a spectator to this drama.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I could not have come up with a better script.. I'm going to steal what I purport to be govt secrets, flee to Hong Kong, get snooked by Assange and end up in a Russian hellhole? um..ok
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Ron Paul Pocket Traitorman
HipChick
(25,485 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)know what secrets he stole, but if he did he'll face the piper at some point. Meantime, I'm going to continue to focus on some potential good to our democratic republic in the long run by fixing some of the oversights.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of the Big Brother's watchful eyes. Not as watchful as they should be or we would not have had the tragedy of the Boston Bombing.
Isn't it sad that you have to feel that way in a so-called 'democracy' though. You should feel free to donate to whomever you wish.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)not stopping all gun violence too huh?
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Ya'll keep saying that NSA knows all. They know everything that we think, feel,post and talk about Well if they know all that...why did they NOT know about Boston. Ya'll say they live and breath our air. Why was Boston not known.
I am from Massachusetts, We are all Boston here.
We are Strong! We also support the "Authoritarians" that kept us safe. Their were many at DU that trashed our grief and our heartbreaking sorrow. You were not here. You have no clue what we went through. We were called sheeple. I don't believe you lived through the tears and the agonizing heartbreak that we suffered. We had friends and family suffer when they ran to assist the fallen.They are still receiving counseling for what they saw. I could post a picture or two if you wish. Most are pretty gruesome.
You know not of what you speak. That is sad.
Is it a rational discussion that we should have? Should there be changes? Yes!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)breaks for the mothers there, or in Afghanistan, or in Pakistan when a mother has to pick up the pieces of her child not even sure if it is her child, to bury. I was in NY when 9/11 happened, I had friends who worked right in the area that was attacked, I had afriend whose daughter, pregnant, was killed trying to escape the falling debris, expecting to have lunch with her that day.
No one here believes that they know everything about everyone'. What we KNOW is that if someone makes themselves too conspicuous, they now have access to immense amounts of data they can pull up and use against them. That is enough.
We also know that this is against the rights of the people under the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that every elected official swears to defend and protect.
And we know that most of those who support these policies are former Bush supporters, like King, Fleischer, Bush, Cheney. What a nightmare, to vindicate these war criminals by having Democrats continue policies we hoped to end.
And we know that most of this 'data' collection is being funded by US, and that money is going to the very Corporations that we on the 'left' CLAIM we recognize as a threat to this democracy.
Booz Allen, multi billion dollar Republican Corporation, friends of Bush, CEO Clapper walking through the revolving door into the position of Director of Intelligence, in a DEMOCRATIC administration.
You go right ahead and support all of this, hand over your rights if you wish, but you don't get to hand over everyone else's. No one can stop you from supporting whatever you want to support, but you won't stop those of us who have not changed our minds about what was so wrong with this country when Bush was president.
What happened in Boston was another, of many, many tragedies that should have been stopped IF all this data mining was really about terror. But it isn't, and the tragedy is that if they were using the proven methods of tracking terrorists, they WOULD have been watching THEM instead of all the rest of us.
magellan
(13,257 posts)The cackling here is stultifying. I don't understand why any Dem would trust 10 Rethug judges to define secret laws but vilify one lone alleged libertarian who knew he was throwing his life away because he thought it was important to show us just what those judges are rubber-stamping. All I know is this isn't the DU it used to be.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)you're correct. It's not about terrorism. And the implication of that is even more disturbing.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)That was eloquent and diplomatic.
I'm much more direct.
[font size=3]"There is no cure for stupid."[/font]
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I'm thinking catapult...
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And 3 of my brain cells went snap, crackle, and pop just remembering it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I love SNL at the very beginning.
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)By David Lerman - Jul 9, 2013 10:35 PM ET
... avoiding a route over U.S. allies wouldnt be easy.
Allen Thomson, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst, outlined a theoretical route for Foreign Policy magazine: Fly north to the Barents Sea, thence over to and through the Denmark Strait. Continue south, steering clear of Newfoundland until getting to the east of the Windward Islands. Fly through some convenient gap between islands and continue on to Caracas.
Thomson pegged the distance of such a trip at 11,000 kilometers, or about 6,800 miles ...
WikiLeaks ... had a chartered airplane on stand-by to carry him from Hong Kong to Moscow ... The organization, which is running short of cash, currently has no plans to fly Snowden out of Moscow, Olafur Vignir Sigurvinsson, an Iceland-based WikiLeaks representative, said by phone this week ...
Chartering a long-range jet aircraft traveling from Moscow to Caracas would cost at least $134,490 ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-10/snowden-asylum-bid-leaves-a-quandary-on-getting-there.html
allin99
(894 posts)they need someone who will somehow get him that jet. I suspect that will be, in a very subtle way, part of the campaign. You'll probably see statements like "we had someone willing to fly but his plane isnt long range". We shall see.
That would be the boldest escape in American history.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The mean-spiritedness on display here saddens me.
I've seen it before. It's not new, but it is always ugly.
-Laelth
The mean-spiritedness on display here saddens me.
I've seen it before. It's not new, but it is always ugly.
...you should see this one: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023087676
Try reading through this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023185307
Snowden is in the news because of his actions, and like everyone else, from Obama to Republicans, he will be criticized.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080227
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023209575
Laelth
(32,017 posts)It appears to me that the Constitution's defenders and the defenders of the human right to some modicum of privacy, vis-a-vis the governments that control our lives, have achieved the "laugh at you" level predicted by Mohandas Gandhi.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
The Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread. I wonder what DU will look like when the Constitution's defenders are actively being fought?
-Laelth
"The Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread. I wonder what DU will look like when the Constitution's defenders are actively being fought?"
...claimed that the "mean-spiritedness on display here saddens" you, but when presented with evidence of "mean-spiritedness" directed at a DUer, your response is to claim that the "Constitution's defenders are being laughed at in this thread"?
So it's not "mean-spiritedness" that upsets you, it's criticism of Snowden.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it.
-Laelth
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd. Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it."
...labeling others "pro-party/pro-Obama crowd" and yourself and, as opposites go, the anti-party/anti-Obama crowd "the Constitution's defenders" is beyond silly.
You seem to want to put yourself on a pedestal in order to mock others and dismiss criticism of Snowden.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)You mis-understand and mis-characterize my motives.
But I do see a lot of laughing in this thread, and I think that's telling.
-Laelth
"You mis-understand and mis-characterize my motives. "
...you're doing that to others when you claim:
"I don't see the Constitution's defenders laughing at the pro-party/pro-Obama crowd. Those of us on the side of the Constitution think this is deadly-serious. We are not laughing about it."
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am not laughing about this at all.
-Laelth
the "Defenders of the Constitution" have CO-OPTED that label (does that remind anyone of the "Moral Majority"?), and when THEY question the mental status or individual thinking capability of those who aren't in LOCKSTEP with their view, or make fun of other people (ProSense has already pointed out some examples), it's all good, because they're the DEFENDERS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND OF HUMAN RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. Is that it?
Sounds like the same argument made by people who do things in the name of their religion. You know, 'Deputized by the Lord' and all. But I'm sure the parallels will be ignored.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)... are also pretty mean-spirited. I hadn't seen those two, but it's clear that this is a two-way street.
For what that's worth.
-Laelth
Cleita
(75,480 posts)to those they consider deserve it, never mind we don't know all the facts, and those who feel we are better than that and really don't want to see someone possibly tortured and receiving ill treatment.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)The DOJ has filed charges against Snowden. He's evading the law.
Some people simply want him to account for his actions. That is NOT "wishing ill". If he didn't want the risk of jail, he shouldn't have shared information with foreign countries, which has NOTHING to do with "exposing" surveillance of American citizens.
It's dishonest to essentially make the simplistic claim "We're the good guys, and those who disagree with us are the bad guys".
Cleita
(75,480 posts)This seems to be a common accusation here when trying to discredit what a poster says no matter how true it is.
Fact. Accusing this person of espionage and the prison sentences or even execution that might come from a trial is over the top. This man is a whistle blower not any enemy agent. The charges are dishonest which means a trial will not be honest either. Considering what our country has done to others whom have exposed the rot that is our NSA, I say run Eddie run.
Fact. You don't know if he has given anything to foreign countries. It's just another accusation with no proof. All anyone knows is what was released to the press for everyone to see about the surveillance.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)But it doesn't stop you and a number of others from operating on that assumption as if it's a foregone conclusion. Is that over the top, or is it OK because you hold that position?
Never mind the fact that everyone cheering him on is doing so on the basis of an UNPROVEN claim that the U.S. is spying on individual citizens without their knowledge.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)dissenters.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I hope Snowdens revelations will spark a movement to rescue our democracy, but he could not be part of that movement had he stayed here. There is zero chance that he would be allowed out on bail if he returned now and close to no chance that, had he not left the country, he would have been granted bail. Instead, he would be in a prison cell like Bradley Manning, incommunicado.
He would almost certainly be confined in total isolation, even longer than the more than eight months Manning suffered during his three years of imprisonment before his trial began recently. The United Nations Special Rapporteur for Torture described Mannings conditions as cruel, inhuman and degrading. (That realistic prospect, by itself, is grounds for most countries granting Snowden asylum, if they could withstand bullying and bribery from the United States.)
Snowden believes that he has done nothing wrong. I agree wholeheartedly. More than 40 years after my unauthorized disclosure of the Pentagon Papers, such leaks remain the lifeblood of a free press and our republic. One lesson of the Pentagon Papers and Snowdens leaks is simple: secrecy corrupts, just as power corrupts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-leaker-snowden-made-the-right-call/2013/07/07/0b46d96c-e5b7-11e2-aef3-339619eab080_story.html
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)Go defend that.
randome
(34,845 posts)Walk out the front door.
[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font]
[hr]
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)allin99
(894 posts)seems to me like the U.S. Gov't better get kick their anti-snowden campaign into high gear.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)there is a Donate button to it.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)the only outcomes i see for Eddie is a body bag or perp walk
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)If he makes it to Venezuela, he can stay there until nobody even remembers his name. Maybe Venezuela will use his skills to fine-tune their own domestic surveillance program.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and I done think he has enough core knowledge to help .. i guess he can help build presentation Powerpoints
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)are still around, so I guess they're not as bloodthirsty as some think. As for Snowden's qualifications, I'm sure you're right. Still, if he has trouble with PowerPoint, I used to write tips for that software for a major PC publication. Perhaps I could help him, if he asked really nicely and paid my invoices on a timely basis.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)though I suspect he had help
and CT on Micheal Hastings
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I suppose it's possible, but I really doubt it, frankly.
HipChick
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flamingdem
(39,321 posts)donating.
Now they're hitting the Rolodex. Where's that number? Maybe George Soros..?
HipChick
(25,485 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And props to everyone that ignored the ever-living hell out of the crap-stirrers that can't let ONE DAMN THREAD go by without defecating in it and then trying to tell everyone "it's for our own good" since they "know so much more/better/what the fuck ever" than everyone else when it is apparent to EVERYONE that they know very little at all.
Skraxx
(2,981 posts)"I donated to "Flight of Liberty" and all I got was a smug sense of faux moral superiority, and the feeling that I did something constructive, in lieu of actually accomplishing anything constructive."
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Perfect for those Moscow winters
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr]
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Skraxx
(2,981 posts)SUCKER
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)suspiciously quiet
HipChick
(25,485 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Fuck Assange, and fuck Snowden.....Ellsberg and Woodward, they are not!
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)They deserve destitution.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)at Freak Republic.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Same level of needless drama and "THE WoRLD WILL END IF YOU DoN'T SUPPORT US!!1one" foolishness, slightly better spelling.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Up, up to the sky!
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)... some ideas of what might be holding things up
Gordievsky believes Snowden would have gotten roughly the same treatment that the KGB spy got back in 1985. They would have fed him something to loosen his tongue, Gordievsky says by phone from the U.K., where he has been living in exile for nearly three decades. Many different kinds of drugs are available, as I experienced for myself. Having been called back to Moscow, Gordievsky says his KGB comrades drugged him with a substance that turned out his lights and made him start talking in a very animated way. Although the drug wiped out most of his memory of the incident, the parts he did recollect horrified him the following morning, when he woke up feeling ill. I realized that I had completely compromised myself, he says.
One of the substances the KGB used for such purposes at the time was called SP-117, which is odorless, tasteless and colorless, according Alexander Kouzminov, a former Russian intelligence operative who describes the drugs effectiveness in his book, Biological Espionage. Now living in New Zealand, Kouzminov worked in the 1980s and early 1990s for the Foreign Intelligence Service, the spy agency known as the SVR, which handles undercover agents, or illegals, stationed in foreign countries. In his book, Kouzminov writes that various drugs were used periodically to test these operatives for signs of disloyalty or diversion. Once the drug had worn off, the agents would have no recollection of what they had said and, if their test results were satisfactory, they could be sent back into the field as though nothing had happened.
Although it is impossible to determine which of Russias secret services could be handling Snowdens case, Gordievsky believes it would be either the SVR or the Federal Agency for Government Communication and Information, known as FAPSI, which answers directly to the Kremlin. FAPSI is the Russian analogue to the U.S. National Security Agency, where Snowden worked as a contractor before fleeing to Hong Kong in May with a cache of the agencys files.
(MORE: Putin to Offer Snowden Asylum, but With a Catch)
Most of the secrets Snowden has exposed are related to the NSAs vast surveillance programs, which he revealed to be collecting data on tens of millions of phone calls and Internet communications around the world. FAPSI, which operates its own data gathering stations in various countries, mostly in the former Soviet Union, would be keen to learn as much as possible about the work of its American counterpart. [Snowden] could have information about the internal parameters of these systems, their lists of targets and priorities, says Vladimir Rubanov, who headed the KGBs analytical directorate in 1991-1992, after which he served three years as deputy head of the Russian Security Council. Yes, all of this is pretty interesting, he says. And it is a fool who has the chance to get information and misses it.
But Rubanov, who has remained closer to the security services than the other former agents TIME interviewed, tried to downplay Snowdens importance. I dont think he has anything that would really surprise us, says Rubanov, who sits on the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a state-connected think tank. The Americans shouldnt worry so much, he says. And even if Russia wanted to get Snowdens encryption keys, there would be no need to drug him. I think he would give them up himself. Its just a question of price.
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/07/10/snowden-in-moscow-what-are-russian-authorities-doing-with-the-nsa-whistleblower/#ixzz2YhLLfD6q