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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:43 PM Jul 2013

Opps Snowden is in more trouble!

He claims that the National Security Agency (NSA) uses "satellites;" and, while I was under the impression that Central Security Service (CSS) used satellites to coordinate aircraft and other military forces overseas, I can't find any corroborating documentation about their satellites online either, so I guess I better not reveal them or I'll have to move to Russia with Snowden.

Snowden unveils NSA Satellite SAURON Program targeting Citizens
There are so many satellites in this network that they are able to effectively monitor the entire planet’s populated surface without interruption. According to slides Snowden shared, taken from the NSA presentation on SAURON, each spy satellite feeds directly into a data bank so large that it is able to retain the captured imagery indefinitely. http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden-unveils-nsa-spy-satellite-sauron-program-targeting-us-citizens/


SAURON wasn't on the NSA/CSS website; I checked! Do you think the NSA would cover-up the fact they they use satellites?

The NSA DOES admit to flying some freaky looking aircraft. I found this image by searching for NSA aircraft.


It appears that NSA in charge of cyber-command won't help other DoD Intelligence agencies with a cover-up of satellite activity.

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO A CIA SATELLITE!
Is Iran in possession of satellite jamming technology? A European intelligence source claimed Iran stunned Western intelligence agencies when it managed to "blind a CIA spy satellite by aiming a laser burst quite accurately," in a never before reported incident.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4162770,00.html

The "European intelligence source" might have worked for this group. Watch the short film and you'll see a satellite fly right out of one of their computers! Now, that's high-tech! I hope it doesn't happen to me. I no longer have enough space on my hard-drive to hide a satellite.

Anyhow, here's the "European intelligence" website with the short movie called SIS in 60 seconds
https://www.sis.gov.uk/

The Russians not only have LOTS of expensive satellites but also a website with LOTS of pictures; so don't act like the NSA and try hiding your satellites KGB online! We know you have satellites!
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html

Reminiscent of NSA cyber-command bullying a poor, blind CIA satellite, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "spy satellites" were as outed as Valerie Plume several years ago. In my understanding, DHS satellite teams coordinate with their aircraft and ground forces to guard our borders.

DHS to Cut Police Access to Spy-Satellite Data
By Spencer S. Hsu,June 24, 2009
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced yesterday that she will kill a controversial Bush administration program to expand the use of spy satellites by domestic law enforcement and other agencies.

Napolitano said she acted after state and local law enforcement officials said that access to secret overhead imagery was not a priority.

Two years ago, President George W. Bush's top intelligence and homeland security officials authorized the National Applications Office (NAO) to expand sharing of satellite data with domestic agencies. But congressional Democrats barred funding for what they said could become a new platform for domestic surveillance that would raise privacy and civil liberties concerns. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-06-24/news/36785048_1_national-applications-office-homeland-security-intelligence-agencies


And last but not least, let's not forget our Chinese friends building up their military - at every level - especially in space. Their satellites will continue to be a problem to communications and border security.

Anti-Satellite Missiles, Planes And Submarines: China As A Military Threat
Posted on 05 March 2013 By Craig Covault,Aerospace America

A warning about a military threat posed by China from space comes to us via Space
China’s Military Space Surge


China’s surging military space program is poised to challenge U.S. aircraft carrier operations in the Pacific, as Chinese military spacecraft already gather significant new radar, electrooptical imaging, and signal intelligence data globally.http://islandsstar.com/china-military-threat/

I guess that last headline shows why the NSA won't admit to having satellites online. Those Chinese might find out about them and shoot a few down. I think someone should invent a seeing-eye-satellite to help the blind CIA satellite
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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
4. I read the post and found this quote interesting
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:10 PM
Jul 2013

In a near whisper[WHISPEER?], Snowden said, “It is shocking that the US government would appropriate such evil imagery for a so-Called Security System like this. There is little doubt that this program — I won’t utter the name here — is not concerned with the security of citizens, but rather, it is a bald grab at power for power’s sake.”

I didn't find it prudent to whispeer about a "so-Called Security System in regard to satellites either. I don't have the money to move to Moscow.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
6. Does the rest of my OP appear deadly serious?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jul 2013

Check out the online comedy about Iran's super-laser shooting satellite if you want a REAL joke!

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. that first website is full of fake news stories
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jul 2013

They even have one about North Korea granting asylum to Snowden. I was a bit surprised it hadn't been posted yet by the anti-snowden crowd, and tried to be passed off as genuine.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. There is a huge line around that "aircraft" -- it looks like a very poor photoshop.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:12 PM
Jul 2013

I am surprised North Korea hasn't piped up...or maybe they have, and no one bothered to notice!

Ed could play one-on-one with Dennis Rodman when he stops by for a visit....

Number23

(24,544 posts)
8. I'm 70% sure this is supposed to be a joke? The "seeing eye missile" sounds too ridiculous
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jul 2013

I think (hope?) the OP is able to discern between real and faux. Unlike, some other posters here...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. It is a joke, but I think some folk are taking it "fi true!"
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jul 2013

I think jokes do better with higher quality photoshops, myself, though!

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
9. I'm glad you mentioned that aircraft. That image reveals the NSA master plan!
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jul 2013

The large NSA aircraft is tricking the F-18 Hornets into close quarters by offering in-flight refueling; and then capturing them with those claws on its wings. The code-name of the new NSA facility being built in Utah gives the operation away.

"The Utah Data Center, code-named Bumblehive, is the first Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative (IC CNCI) data center designed to support the Intelligence Community's efforts to monitor, strengthen and protect the nation. NSA is the executive agent for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and will be the lead agency at the center." http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

The NSA is obviously stealing Hornets for their Bumblehive.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
10. While I was checking the link, I noticed that Anonymous put head-phones on the NSA eagle logo
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jul 2013

It's like the cartoon version of the NSA icon.
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1029&bih=625&tbm=isch&tbnid=cPs1Ar1VOJDBPM:&imgrefurl=https://www.eff.org/pages/eff-nsa-graphics&docid=uQZAYMGB5I3daM&imgurl=&w=2512&h=2512&ei=QdLcUZmwOoPc9QSYq4CQDA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:0,s:0,i:81&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=178&tbnw=181&start=0&ndsp=16&tx=86&ty=103

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
7. That chronicle website looks a bit hoaxy to me. Is it a good source? Why would revealing a
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jul 2013

satellite put Snowden into more trouble? I would think their existence would be common knowledge.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
13. I was amazed that there was no information online about CSS satellites...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jul 2013

While the NSA probably wants to hide data-mining and eavesdropping from above, I would think they would take pride in the way CSS has served in coordinating military and intelligence operations overseas[except that most of their satellites over the US don't do WHISPEERS, and the Chinese program NSA personnel all night long, because they don't have a broad base of satellite and civilian group support, to insure they are thinking clearly and embracing realistic goals as I do. DHS and CIA satellites are forbidden from using the technology on NSA personnel; and the Russians don't like them and enjoy watching the NSA act silly at work].

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