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Bill Moyers Special on Front Line - Two American Families (Original Post) malaise Jul 2013 OP
This is must-see TV. reformist2 Jul 2013 #1
K & R n/t xocet Jul 2013 #2
Watched it, and I'm so depressed and bawled through the whole thing...... a kennedy Jul 2013 #3
It was heartbreaking malaise Jul 2013 #5
why? what was in it that was so heartbreaking? Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #19
Both families lost just about everything they ever worked for. duffyduff Jul 2013 #20
.. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #21
Just finished watching. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #4
It's happening across the globe malaise Jul 2013 #6
Oh, I know. Well, at least the DC Council... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #22
I thought when I woke up today I'd feel better......I'm still just sick over that show. a kennedy Jul 2013 #7
Never have I seen such organized cruelty against fellow human beings malaise Jul 2013 #8
It wore me down just hearing the litany of different jobs they had to take, all $7, $8, $10 per hour reformist2 Jul 2013 #9
The fault lies squarely with Washington policies and politicians in both political parties duffyduff Jul 2013 #15
Thanks. I'm watching it now online Catherina Jul 2013 #10
Also excellent was the Charlie Rose interview of Bill Moyers about the doc. cbayer Jul 2013 #11
It's so heartbreaking to see how it never gets better for the families. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #12
Are you sure you're right? Most new college grads make $12-15 /hour, if they can get jobs. reformist2 Jul 2013 #13
I come from a long line of non graduates who work hard labor. Hard labor is hard on the body. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #16
I'm not saying people shouldn't go to college. I just couldn't tell them it was financially sensible reformist2 Jul 2013 #17
heard his interview w/Charlie Rose about this. Will definitely catch it. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #14
Excellent program. Kick for visibility. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #18
I just kept wondering PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #23

a kennedy

(29,707 posts)
3. Watched it, and I'm so depressed and bawled through the whole thing......
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

I just hate what has happened to this country......

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
20. Both families lost just about everything they ever worked for.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jul 2013

I can relate to it.

There are MILLIONS of people suffering these tragedies because of years of Washington economic policies.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
4. Just finished watching.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

What's happened in this country is unconscionable. And, like clockwork, there's a thread on the Home Page about the Walmart fuckers threatening to pull out of DC because of the $12.50 living wage proposal. Good riddance.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
22. Oh, I know. Well, at least the DC Council...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

voted today in support of the living wage. (I'm in NC and will take all the good news I can get!)

a kennedy

(29,707 posts)
7. I thought when I woke up today I'd feel better......I'm still just sick over that show.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:28 AM
Jul 2013

It was a systematic dismantling of the middle class, no help, and a loss of everything, wages, homes, family, and in some cases a complete loss of self worth.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
8. Never have I seen such organized cruelty against fellow human beings
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jul 2013

They are out to kill us.
For some reason I got really upset watching that Chinese couple buying the Neumann's home for next to nothing after the foreclosure.

Check out this review
http://variety.com/2013/tv/reviews/two-american-families-review-1200504070/

At one point, when one of the wives discusses building up debt on her credit card, she says, “It’ll tide me over till I can get a miracle.”

Moyers makes explicit the underlying message — how the disappearance of solid manufacturing jobs as employers pursued cheap labor undermined the ability of such blue-collar families to get ahead, with all the attendant strain that fosters. And while the Neumanns and Stanleys continue to work, raising three and five kids, respectively, they acutely feel the shift toward nonunion jobs, with lower pay and fewer benefits.

“Our marriage is really on the rocks,” Tony Neumann says early on, a harbinger of things to come.

“Two American Families” also underscores the sometimes-overlooked separation between the painstaking work of documentary filmmaking, — which labors to elicit natural responses and reactions by investing the time to put the subjects at ease — and reality TV, where the goal is to create “characters.” Perhaps that’s why the former feels so much more real, having invested roughly a generation (on the order of Michael Apted’s “7 Up” series) into the process of documenting these people’s lives.

Not that “Two American Families” gets quite that deep, but it does put faces on the statistics to which we can easily become inured, while not-so-subtly arguing the hardships facing many Americans are traceable to forces much larger than their own enterprise or sloth. And if that challenges the popular mantra that anybody who works hard can get ahead in the good ol U.S. of A., it’s precisely the kind of discussion quality journalism is supposed to provoke.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
9. It wore me down just hearing the litany of different jobs they had to take, all $7, $8, $10 per hour
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jul 2013

It really put the lie to the notion that "retraining" is the answer. These people have retrained, retrained, and retrained again. And it has gotten them nowhere.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
15. The fault lies squarely with Washington policies and politicians in both political parties
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

who have been enthralled with or bribed with discredited and debunked neoliberal economic policies that are killing countries.

This HAS to stop.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
12. It's so heartbreaking to see how it never gets better for the families.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jul 2013

As humans we are programmed to think it will get better somewhere down the line. But then we wake up 20 or 30 years later and realize it hasn't gotten any better. I'm in my late 30's. I keep thinking my family's situation will get better but the reality is it probably won't. My daughter is afraid of college debt, and I understand why. But I keep trying to tell her even with that debt she has a much better chance of survival if she will get her degree. I just keep trying to say that over and over and over again to her. I hope she gets it.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. Are you sure you're right? Most new college grads make $12-15 /hour, if they can get jobs.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jul 2013

And to be honest, the prospects of getting substantial pay raises down the road is dimming.

And still, college costs what now $10K, $20K, $40K per year?

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
16. I come from a long line of non graduates who work hard labor. Hard labor is hard on the body.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

Luckily my father made it to retirement. My brother is in constant pain and still has another 20 years to go. Statistically college graduates do make a lot more money over the course of their life than non college graduates, and have lower unemployment rates. My daughter wants to be a veterinarian. She is going to community college the first two years, and we have some money in a 529. My husband is opening his own business so we are hoping to be able to help her out in the future. As someone who comes from a non educated family I see the value in investing in my children's future. I will do everything I can to encourage them to go to college and will do everything I can to help them pay for it.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
23. I just kept wondering
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

why did they have so many kids? Kids and houses are expensive. A job loss is less catastrophic with one kid than five I would think. I have never bought into the American Dream myth myself, I could never afford it anyways. #counterculture

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