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OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:09 AM Jul 2013

The Zimmerman Trial Will End With...

I resisted the urge to add "The Zimmerman Trial Will End With...CNN immediately switching to the Aaron Hernandez pretrial hearings"


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Zimmerman being found not guilty of all charges
19 (51%)
Zimmerman being found guilty of a lesser included charge (such as manslaughter)
10 (27%)
Zimmerman being found guilty of murder
5 (14%)
A hung jury
2 (5%)
A mistrial caused by some factor other than a hung jury
1 (3%)
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The Zimmerman Trial Will End With... (Original Post) OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 OP
Not justice, certainly..... Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #1
Him walking away, but his life changed forever. tblue Jul 2013 #2
Reminds me of Joran van der Sloot.. HipChick Jul 2013 #3
Ok. Gotta google that one. tblue Jul 2013 #5
Pretty much. And OJ Simpson Warpy Jul 2013 #6
Same thing happened to O.J., premium Jul 2013 #14
Villified MattBaggins Jul 2013 #17
most likely a not guilty verdict rollin74 Jul 2013 #4
..another scenario OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #9
riots olddots Jul 2013 #7
I hope not OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #8
I doubt it, premium Jul 2013 #15
overwhelming force only increases the rioting giving the populace more reasons to riot. TeamPooka Jul 2013 #29
Don't count on it, premium Jul 2013 #31
I hope there are legitimate protests but no riots. If he walks, but I hope he gets convicted. TeamPooka Jul 2013 #32
Legitimate protests? Absolutely, premium Jul 2013 #33
Explain to us why there will be riots MattBaggins Jul 2013 #18
I'll take a shot OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #25
I dunno at this point, sadly. AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #10
A hung jury nolabels Jul 2013 #11
I think a hung jury is likely because the jury is afraid razorman Jul 2013 #13
That might even be a bigger factor nolabels Jul 2013 #21
In this order: Quantess Jul 2013 #12
It would be interesting to see two polls like this Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #16
Self defense means SELF DEFENSE HolyMoley Jul 2013 #19
Yeah, but you are using logic. OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #23
the lessor included charge of Manslaughter, and he won't draw much of a sentence either, 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #20
I think how long they are out will depend on several factors OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #22
it is a 6 person jury made up of all female jurors TeamPooka Jul 2013 #30
Thanks! OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #34
I think manslaughter is unlikely Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #27
Pudding. The Zimmerman trial will end with pudding. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #24
Pudding seems like a great option OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #26
It's gone to the jury. OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #28

tblue

(16,350 posts)
2. Him walking away, but his life changed forever.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jul 2013

And not in a good way. He will go the way of OJ and Casey Anthony: universally vilified, and he will feel it.

Right now, maybe it seems like the country is evenly divided about his guilt. But, trust me, if he walks, more people will come to admit that they think he's probably guilty. There will be a sense of unease over a perceived injustice, even if it's not articulated. It won't go away for a long time. When GZ passes away someday, he will be remembered as the man who got away with murder.

I also predict that, with this acquittal, he'll be convinced he's invulnerable and he'll eventually get arrested for some other crime, and this time he will go to prison. He is not good people. He's a thug and he is about to become an arrogant, over-confident, entitled, and empowered thug.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
6. Pretty much. And OJ Simpson
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:44 AM
Jul 2013

People who beat charges and walk are usually back in prison very shortly on other charges.

Bad guys just aren't able to stay out of trouble.

Remember, they got Whitey Bulger at last, and it looks like he'll never see the light of day again without looking through razor wire and bars when this case is done.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
14. Same thing happened to O.J.,
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jul 2013
I also predict that, with this acquittal, he'll be convinced he's invulnerable and he'll eventually get arrested for some other crime, and this time he will go to prison. He is not good people. He's a thug and he is about to become an arrogant, over-confident, entitled, and empowered thug.


He thought the same thing, now, he's a guest of the Silver State at the Iron Bar Motel.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
17. Villified
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

The man is a hero to a much larger swath of American society than most people would believe.

rollin74

(1,990 posts)
4. most likely a not guilty verdict
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jul 2013

I could see a possible manslaughter conviction but I think acquittal is more likely

basically zero chance of 2nd degree murder conviction

imo the state has failed to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of any crime

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
9. ..another scenario
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

Manslaughter as a "compromise verdict." I only see that as an outcome if the judge makes them keep deliberating after the first few times they come back saying they are hopelessly deadlocked.

IMO, hung jury will be the likely outcome. Should that be the case, I think Zimmerman will be offered a plea deal: plead out to manslaughter, and be sentenced to time already served, lengthy probation, loss of civil rights (no voting or guns), and extensive community service.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
8. I hope not
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

20 years ago, I'd have agreed. I remember the William Lozano trial in Miami, for example. That verdict sparked rioting. I'm hoping that if he's found not guilty, the community protests loudly, but peacefully.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
15. I doubt it,
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013

LE learned a lot of lessons after the Rodney King riots and won't let it happen again, they'll move in with overwhelming force and put it down very quickly, there'll be some damage, but nothing on the scale of the RK riots.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
31. Don't count on it,
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jul 2013

let's just say that I have some inside knowledge on how they'll deal with a riot, if it comes to that, I doubt it will, there may be some isolated incidents of civil unrest, but, IMO, no large scale rioting.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
33. Legitimate protests? Absolutely,
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jul 2013

and if that's all it is, then it'll garner positive results. Here's to hoping that whatever the verdict is, cooler heads will prevail.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
25. I'll take a shot
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jul 2013

The trial is racially charged, and it's summer in Florida. One precedent would be the William Lozano trial in '93.

Note: I'm offering an explanation. I don't think there will be rioting.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
10. I dunno at this point, sadly.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jul 2013

TBH, there is NO reasonable doubt whatsoever about this: Zimmerman followed, provoked, and attacked Trayvon Martin. And he did so even though he was told NOT to follow Martin by the dispatcher. That alone should be enough to at least CONSIDER a murder charge.

But, at the very least, I'd hope for voluntary manslaughter.....if only so he suffers SOME consequences for his actions.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
11. A hung jury
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jul 2013

Which eventually lead to to a Zimmerman acquittal in new trial. There seem to be too many loose ends and the defense has obviously created doubts somewhere. An overzealous prosecutor who should of just went for a lesser charge will be the goat.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
13. I think a hung jury is likely because the jury is afraid
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jul 2013

to make a decision because of a fear of either riots or their own identities being made public, which would put them in danger. I believe that the jury is going to try to pass the buck, and make the end result someone else's responsibility.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
21. That might even be a bigger factor
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

And they will drill that point in about absolute proof which there is not, so as to give them an out. A hung jury, could they be that smart and or will it just happen naturally


It seems polarizing no matter what happens

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. It would be interesting to see two polls like this
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

One for just those who haven't watched the trial, and one for those who have watched the trial. Presumably they would be more accurate.

I was very surprised that just 10% thought he would be convicted of murder, but then I haven't watched the trial.

 

HolyMoley

(240 posts)
19. Self defense means SELF DEFENSE
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jul 2013

The defense team has never denied, or challenged the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin; that's an inescapable and a forgone conclusion.

From the beginning, O'mera and company have maintained that their client acted out of reasonable fear for his life. The prosecution was tasked with refuting that... that Zimmerman was never in any danger, and/or acted with disproportionate force.

To date, the prosecution has failed in proving their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

The argument of not guilty by reason of self defense apples equally to a charge of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or any lessor charges.

If the jury clears Zimmerman of the more elevated crime of 2nd degree murder, by logic, they have to clear him of any lessor charges.

It's all going to come down to the jury deciding if self defense was applicable in this situation.

Zimmerman will either be found not guilty of all charges, or end up in a hung jury.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
23. Yeah, but you are using logic.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013
The argument of not guilty by reason of self defense apples equally to a charge of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or any lessor charges.


This is a jury, and tomorrow is Friday. I don't mean to sound cynical, but I once saw a trial in which a man was charged with possession of cocaine with intent to distribute and conspiracy. The case was basically built around the notion that this man had conspired with another individual to move a kilo of coke. Now, if you have two individuals, you have a conspiracy. The jury was seated on a Friday afternoon, and came back late Friday night with "Guilty" on possession and "Not Guilty" on conspiracy. It was a compromise verdict. He was either guilty of both or not guilty of both, but it was Friday and the jury wanted to go the Hell home. So, using what I think of as "jury logic" I can see "not guilty" jurors agreeing with "guilty" jurors to compromise on "manslaughter" and go home.

BTW, I'm on record as saying Hung Jury

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
20. the lessor included charge of Manslaughter, and he won't draw much of a sentence either,
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jul 2013

and I also predict that the Jury will be out a long, l o n g, l o n g time.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
22. I think how long they are out will depend on several factors
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

...few of which will have anything to do with the content of the trial.

Assuming that the jury gets the case tomorrow, they'll sit down in the afternoon and take an initial vote.

>If they are in agreement, you may see a verdict inside of an hour (being that it's Friday and all). In this instance, my guess is that a quick verdict would be an acquittal.

> If they are not in total harmony, it will depend on how divided they are (i.e. 6-6? 11-1?) how stubborn the jurors are, and how much everyone just wants to get home. Other factors include intangibles (I'm not kidding here) such as how nice the hotel is in which they are sequestered, and who among the jurors is in no hurry to get back to work.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
27. I think manslaughter is unlikely
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jul 2013

If the prosecution can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it was not self defense, then zimmerman should be convicted of murder.

There are no levels of self defense, so if they can't prove that, then finding him innocent should be the correct decision. I really don't see any middle ground between the two.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
24. Pudding. The Zimmerman trial will end with pudding.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jul 2013

(just because nobody has considered this option yet)

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
26. Pudding seems like a great option
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013

I think I'd apply some of the juror pay to pudding... and a double Johnnie Walker Black on the rocks.

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