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Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:31 AM Jul 2013

Questions about Zimmerman's story.

Here are things that bother me about Zimmerman's story. I wonder if the jury will question them too. (At least the parts they know anyway.). Feel free to add more and/or your theories on my concerns.

How did Trayvon hold down both of Zimmerman's arms and have both hands over Z's mouth and nose? (Try this on someone that outweighs you by 40lbs.)

How did Z scream the whole time?

How did he pull his gun from his holster at his back (as he mimes in the reenactment) while lying on his back with Trayvon on top of him?

How did Z have both hands free to hold the gun and hold one of Trayvon's hands back. (I heard this on one of the police interviews.)

How did he not know he'd shot Trayvon right away since the experts say the gun was against Trayvon's shirt?

How did he not know the name of streets in his very small neighborhood where he was Watch captain?

What bushes was Trayvon behind?

Why, if Zimmerman was afraid as he told police after, did he exit his vehicle to follow Trayvon?

Why doesn't Zimmerman have more injuries if his head was slammed numerous times on the pavement?

Why is there none of Zimmerman's blood on Trayvon's hands?

Or skin/DNA under the nails?

Were there any marks on Zimmerman's head or ears indicating someone had grabbed his head and slammed it down?

I'm sure I can come up with more questions, but these things add up to my just not believing Zimmerman's story. Since I think he's lying, perhaps the jury may also, in which case they're going to have a lot of questions.

The prosecution doesn't know for sure what happened either and I think therein lies the problem. How do they out forth a story they can prove when the only witness alive is the accused?

On edit: This whole incident took place in like 7 minutes. Zimmerman called the cops at 7:09 and hung up at 7:13. Trayvon's phone call with Rachel goes dead about 7:16 and in that same minute the 911 calls of a fight go out and the shot is heard.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

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Warpy

(111,339 posts)
1. Easy, Zimmerman is a liar who wants to be a hero
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jul 2013

There is no way he could admit to himself what it was that he did, shoot an unarmed kid because he was profiling and thought himself capable of dispensing vigilante "justice."

This is why we have professional police instead of unpaid vigilante groups. Vigilantes pretty consistently slaughter the wrong people. If we can ever demilitarize the police, the contrast will be as stark as it once was.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
2. I do hope the prosecution uses the "limited time line" question. Could, as Zimmerman descibed
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

the events, all the this action have really have happened in that limited time line as he claims. Too many questions, too many questionable "expert" opinions, and too many dirty tricks by the defense dogs.

watrwefitinfor

(1,400 posts)
3. I have a question, too: Where is Trayvon's blood?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:26 AM
Jul 2013

If Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, why did he not bleed all over the front of Zimmerman? And why has this not been raised in the courtroom? Or has it?

Z was still wearing the same clothes at the police station, no? I saw no sign of blood on his jacket or shirt in that video.

Do you not bleed when you are shot in the heart? Seems likely, if, as the paid witness said, he lived long enough to tell Z "You got me."

Perhaps this has been asked and answered elsewhere, but I haven't seen it mentioned.

Hoping someone can answer. For I strongly suspect that Z did not go into the dark following this tall black teenager in a hoodie without his gun in his hand.

Wat


justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
4. As I understand it (and I'm no doctor)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:00 AM
Jul 2013

wounds like his wouldn't necessarily bleed a lot externally. Most of the damage and bleeding happens internally.

Grammy23

(5,813 posts)
5. If I am remembering correctly....
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jul 2013

There was testimony (medical examiner??) who stated that most of the bleeding was internal. Trayvon's lungs were filled with blood, but there did not appear to be much on the clothing. The pictures of the shirt and hoodie, showed a relatively small circle of blood stain, not massive external bleeding like you might expect.

In addition, if his heart was not beating correctly after the large wounds to the chambers of his heart and then stopped beating pretty quickly, then there would have been less blood pumped to drain out of his body.

That is my limited understanding of why there was not a large pool of blood on the clothing, body and ground where Trayvon was positioned after he was shot.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
7. RE: Why, if Zimmerman was afraid as he told police after, did he exit his vehicle to follow Trayvon?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jul 2013

Zimmerman claimed that Martin actually walked around his car as he was on the phone to police. That should have made Zimmerman even more afraid to exit his vehicle.

Singleton: You’re on the phone? And he dips between two houses? Is that what you mean?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: cause you lose sight of him, OK?
Zimmerman: Correct. And then he comes back out
Singleton: um hum.
Zimmerman: and circles my car while I’m on the phone with the police.
Singleton: OK. Is he saying anything to you?
Zimmerman: I couldn’t hear him. My windows were up.
Singleton: OK.
Zimmerman: As soon as I saw him coming up I rolled up my windows and I stayed on the phone with dispatch.
Singleton: OK. He,..your car was running?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: The lights were on?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK. So he knew somebody was in this car?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: And is he walking completely around the car?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK.
Zimmerman: Um, and, dispatch asked me where he went. I didn’t know the name of the street that I was on, I
Singleton: So you’d come off your street and gotten to another street
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: at some point? OK.
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am. Goes in, cuts through the middle of my neighborhood.
Singleton: OK.
Zimmerman: I didn’t know the name of the street. Um, or where he went. So I got out of my car to look for the street sign, and to see if I could see where he cut through so that I could tell the police where…
Singleton: So after he circled your car he disappeared again?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK.
Zimmerman: Um, then, dispatcher told me, ah, where are you? and I said I’m trying to find out where he went. And he said we don’t need you to do that. And I said OK. Ah, he said we already have a police officer en route. And I said alright, I, I had gone where, through the dog walk where I normally walk my dog, and walked back through to my street, the street that loops around. And he said we already have a police officer on
the way. So I said OK. I told, they said, would you like a police officer to meet you, and I said yes. And I told them where my car was and the make and the model.
Singlton: Um hum.
Zimmerman: So, I was walking back through to where my car was and he jumped out from the bushes and he said, What the fuck’s your problem, homie? And I got my cell phone out to call 911 this time.
Singleton: Um hum.


He was so scared that he rolled up the windows and stayed on the phone. But moments later once he's off the phone, he decided to get out of the car and stroll over to look at a street sign? Baloney. I also think it's strange he didn't mention to the dispatcher that the "suspect" was walking around his car.

Other lies: he didn't tell the dispatcher that he was trying to find out where Martin went. Dispatch asked HIM if he was following, and he said yes. Also, he didn't tell the police to meet him at his car. He told the dispatcher to have the police call HIM and he would tell them where he was, so obviously he wasn't planning on staying put.

Spazito

(50,453 posts)
8. All great questions which point out the utter fallacy of Zimmerman's claims...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jul 2013

I hope the State raises these points during their closing, asking the jury to consider these gross inconsistencies in his story during their deliberations.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
9. I hope so too.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jul 2013

The thing is, people keep saying the prosecution has to prove who started the fight or that Zimmerman didn't fear for his life, but IMO there are so many holes in Z's story, I'm not sure I'd believe any of it. I know Z is innocent until proven guilty but we know he killed Trayvon so if his story of self-defense is a fabrication, he should be guilty of murder. I'm just not sure with the statutes written as they are how the jury will decide.

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