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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI wish I had some sense of what President Obama believes and why he supports
some of the policies he does. I used to feel that I did.
I don't care whether some of you don't believe it, but I feel more sorrowful than anything else about my changed sentiments toward the President.
How can a guy who was a big pot smoker in his youth, support policies with harsh sentences for that act? How can he support his Justice Department's policy of going after marijuana dispensary owners in states where that's legal?
How can a man who was a Community Organizer on Chicago's South Side, (one of the things that made me enthusiastic in my support of him), support the chained CPI which will hurt vulnerable seniors? How can he support "trade" agreements that help the corporations and the world's wealthy and hurt the poor, the middle class and poor nations?
How can a man who so vocally spoke out against government secrecy, shroud himself in so much of it; from the TPP and TTIP negotiations, to secrecy about targeting U.S. citizens for death, and other drone policy.
For that matter, how can a man so avowedly committed to the rule of law have a drone policy that runs rough shod over other nations' sovereignty and engage in war crimes; to wit, the confirmed 'double tapping'?
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/obamas-secret-habit/
I get that being President could change your perspective and challenge previously held beliefs, but to me, it's been like watching a transformation. To some, I may seem to have been hopelessly naive about the President and to others a basher/hater.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I don't know if we were sold a can of snake oil, or if something in him really has changed, or if the pressure from big money is just too much to resist.
I hoped back in 2008/09. Mannnnnnnnn, did I hope we'd become compassionate, thoughtful country again after 8 years of Texas Military Two Step. Sigh.
This is the tail wagging the dog. We are Democrats because we believe in democratic principles, not that we believe in people who are icons. If Democrats are "Republican-lite" and do the bidding of big money interests at the expense of democratic principles, they have sold out. And not to be totally negative on the president, but he needs to step up and stop pandering to special interests. Republicans and Teabaggers will NEVER like him, stop trying to please them by compromising on fundamental differences of political thought.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Thank You.
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]
fasttense
(17,301 posts)If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
From the poem "If" by Rudyard Kipling
Some people feel they are invincible when they get crowds to listen to them. They think all their thoughts must be golden. I think Clinton lost his virtue because of his ability to talk with crowds.
But with Obama I think it is more the walking with Kings, or at least walking with those who think they are Kings because they have stolen so much of our National wealth. He has lost the common touch because he thinks he might be one of those Kings or at least his daughters might be.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Certain stuff like drug legalization is very much a "only Nixon can go to China" type of thing.
Chained CPI is a bad idea, but there are some Democrats who think it's not so bad if paired with protections for low income recipients. (I'm not one one of those).
Ditto with trade agreements--the Democratic party has been split on that one since the NAFTA/GATT debates of the mid-1990's.
Democratic Presidents tend to be hawks, just not insane hawks like Republican presidents tend to be. In 2008 he all but promised to violate Pakistan's sovereignty if it meant getting bin Laden.
If one starts with the presumption he's a very typical Democratic president instead of something special and different, his record is not so surprising.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Both at the federal and state levels.
The Obama administration has chosen to escalate the drug war in the face of Democratic opposition to the same -- opposition by representatives elected to enact the will of people in various states with various laws. They are responding to "direct democracy" votes. Obama is responding to bureaucracies that want to protect their turf and taxpaying funding.
I assume Obama's poll-driven leadership on civil rights issues will show he has had a change of heart when the legalization polls continue to show majority support. At this time, the majority isn't large enough and hasn't existed long enough for him to show leadership on the issue.
The western states have outstripped the northeast on this issue. The northeast is far more reactionary.
I wonder if this issue is the moment when another shift occurs in the Democratic Party, along the lines of the "wets" and "drys" during prohibition. FDR won the nomination as a "wet" and his election marked the emergence of a powerful Northeastern political bloc composed of Catholics, Irish, Germans, etc. and a diminishment of southern democrats.
Maybe the west is going to become the Democratic party power base of the near future, comprised of greens and Latino voters.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of drugs when he was a young man has limited political headroom to tackle legalization.
He's wrong, but predictably so.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)That's if you give a shit about Republican assholes. And, frankly, no one but conservatives cares what they say.
I entirely understand the reasoning you're talking about and I do think that has constrained him - but the reality is that both liberals and conservatives (some from both sides of the political divide) agree on legalization. It's a bipartisan issue.
The divide is between social conservatives in both parties and social liberals/economic conservatives.
I just don't want conservatives to be able to take this issue and run with it in the west.
The thinking about this issue in DC is so entrenched in the massive drug war propaganda that it's hard for people in the beltway to change their way of thinking... and a lot of that difficulty comes from the amount of money that goes to military contractors, LEOs at state levels who get a lot of funds via the federal WoD, and the private prison contractors who are determined to make this nation a Hobbesian nightmare.
This nation needs a massive overhaul of sentencing laws. This is not going to happen with conservatives because they are relying on these draconian laws to meet quotas for their private prison contracts.
The big problem with Obama on this issue is that he comes off looking like an anti-science reactionary when the Drug Czar and various other spokespersons outright deny scientific evidence of medical benefit.
This issue is has become religious dogma for drug warriors and they are the equivalent of creationists in their refusal to look at data to accept the reality that the CSA is wrong. But they remain entrenched because, once they admit the evidence indicates their stance is wrong - they should then be morally compelled to address the lies that have informed drug policy for decades.
What's going on now is an example of protected turf. That this results in the most racist application of the law in this land doesn't seem to bother enough people in power.
But the economic, scientific and medical arguments should compel the legislature to act in accordance with reality - but it doesn't. Because money trumps justice.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)he doesn't have to really tackle legalization.
I would be satisfied if his Justice Department stopped tackling -in unprecedented numbers- people who did nothing worse than what he did.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)From building nukes in GA, to passing crushing, costly trade deals, to starving granny, to perpetual war, and a police state, he is on the wrong side of virtually every issue, in my view.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)definitely be far from mainstream. Fortunately, that cartoon Obama is about as real as Communist Obama and Secret Muslim Born in Kenya Obama.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)This one went 47 yards, did a flip, and landed in a glass of water.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)this week. Well played and with great aplomb.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The right wing mockingly claimed that Democrats saw Obama as some kind of super liberal socialist MESSIAH.
I'd mock them right back by pointing out that he was not nearly as far left as they claimed and that their claims made them look silly.
And now looking back, I understand how they came to that conclusion. There were some on the left who clearly did think that, or something damn close.
Obama ran about one inch to Hillary's left. And Hillary sure isn't close to being a liberal.
And yet so some on the left apparently thought that, not only would Obama stop a 2nd great depression, and end the Iraq war ... he was also going to fix absolutely everything else, and in the most liberal manner possible.
I agree with your view that he is more pragmatic and not so ideological. I actually think that comes from his history as a community organizer. In a role like that, you fix the problems you can fix, you try to limit the negative effects where a total fix is not possible, and you move to the next issue and repeat the process.
If he was as ideological as some seem to want, we'd be in a 2nd great depression and UE would be over 12% and our government would be at an even worse stand still.
Ironically, if one posts a list of Obama "disappointments" on DU, that thread or post gets cheered and rec'd ... post a list of accomplishments, and its denounced.
Go figure.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)should come as a surprise.\
Of course, that was back in the day when Obama get pelted from the left for not vigorously favoring an individual mandate as part of health care reform.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I remember when that specific point came up in the primary debates.
Initially, it appeared that Obama was 100% totally against any such mandate and Hillary supported it.
But in the debate, Hillary claimed that you needed the mandate to be able to pay for the plan, and Obama was naive to not demand it. Obama argued that he understood why Hillary supported the mandate, but that he felt there were other, better ways to reduce the costs, which if adopted would reduce or maybe even remove the need for the mandate entirely. And that was his preference.
I thought his approach here was rather deft. He didn't argue that the mandate would not work, or that it was evil really, but that there were other approaches that he preferred. Doing so allowed him to create a little distance from Hillary, a very small difference really, and yet not dump the mandate entirely.
That was one of the key "differences" between them. And it was actually a tiny difference.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and then maybe bring in a mandate. In reality, lowering costs and the mandate had to happen at the same time.
Poor Paul Krugman--demonized as a leftwing Obamahater during the primaries over the mandate, and then thrown under the bus by the leftbaggers when he continued to make the case for the mandate.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama's stance comes amid debate in Washington over what to do about a resurgent al Qaeda and Taliban in areas of northwest Pakistan that President Pervez Musharraf has been unable to control, and concerns that new recruits are being trained there for a September 11-style attack against the United States.
Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... in the same sequence in which McCain tried to paint Obama as a weak light weight who's rhetoric on the use of military force had been undisciplined and dangerous.
... and Obama gobsmacked McCain by calling out his "Bomb, bomb, bomb ... bomb bomb Iran" comment.
One of the absolutely best smack down sequences in any Presidential debate.
And in doing so, Obama came across as ready, willing and able to effectively determine exactly under what conditions our military should be used.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Anyone who was paying attention to the Presidential race knew about that.
No one who's studied US history or was sentient in 2007-2008 would be surprised by drone strikes inside Pakistan, with or without their permission.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)announced he was going to send more troops into Afghanistan.
And yet on DU, for the longest time, some would claim that Obama promised to end the war in Afghanistan as soon as he took office.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Or ignored altogether.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You're right, we would be in a big mess and the Republicans would be more in control if we insisted on ideological purity the way people expect.
Plus I fully believe that had President Obama rejected say the ACA for not having a public option, the same people would be complaining that he didn't get what he could.
It also cracks me up how "spineless" they say he is, yet he is dictator of a surveillance state. If so, why doesn't he just have Boner and Co. arrested?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)It isn't that he didn't get a public option in the act, it's that he gave up on the public option before he even proposed the act. He didn't give it away grudgingly after some grueling negotiations, he fucking gave it away before anybody objected to it.
He did the work of his opponents by throwing away his trump card before the game even began.
He is definitely a pragmatist, and we may need pragmatists, but that ain't what he told us he was gonna be. In other words, he's merely another cynical opportunistic politician. And that's just what we do not need.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That would make no sense.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And went down fighting for it until the bitter end.
Sorry, but I see no evidence that either of these two scenarios took place.
IMO he had no intention from the very beginning of considering single payer or even a public option.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)conspiracy theorists were dismissed for a long time. But that Rose interview with Obama confirmed a lot and what bothered me was that most policy decisions are decided behind closed, private doors and not in public forums of any of the executive branch.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)He is getting councel from people who have no clue what real people go through in day to day existence. That is the major problem most politicians have. Some go into politics with good intentions, but the system itself ends up corrupting even the best intentioned people. It's hard to have hope that anybody could ever bring about real change when even good people become corrupt.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Cali gave you a good list of things that are unforgivable from a Democratic president. Whatever other promises he fulfilled can't trump these and many others.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Otherwise we might not all march in lockstep and think the same things the same ways.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)No democrat that supports Race to the Top will ever get my vote.
renie408
(9,854 posts)SCOTUS?
Really?
Huh.
Well, I guess we all have to draw the line some place.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)line in the sand.
renie408
(9,854 posts)"I understand", but I don't know the experience, so I am guessing.
If that's your line, that's your line. I can't tell you that you are wrong for thinking the way you do, even if I think differently. That was kind of my point. No one uses the exact same rubric for what is unforgivable and what isn't.
frylock
(34,825 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He promised he'd violate Pakistan's sovereignty in 2007.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)How did the man who wanted the most transparent government ever end up prosecuting more people for espionage than all the presidents in the last century?
I don't understand it either. Maybe this is part of it.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/06/20136161233436695.html
Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)using his political connections to have a spot as an unpaid part-timer to build his resume for his politicial ambitions.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)to bring up.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Three-fourths of all classes taught at major universities are taught by graduate students or adjunct faculty.
Adjunct faculty are no less qualified than someone on a tenure-track position.
At Harvard, tenure-track is nearly impossible for many of the very best academics - until they go somewhere else and get hired back. But a lot of academics start their careers as adjuncts and even post-docs at the Ivies because it looks good on a resume to have worked there and provides a jumping off point for other positions at other well-regarded universities.
fwiw.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why does one have to freely allow espionage in order to be "transparent."
This may be the dumbest post of the thread.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)from those that so desperately need it but willing to allow Wall Street a free hand. Even appoint revolving door Wall Streeters.
As a candidate he appeared to have solid Democratic principles. As a President he has gone conservative.
polichick
(37,152 posts)the growing military industrial complex. That complex now includes for-profit prisons and Wall Street.
Maybe the "decider" is no longer the guy in the White House.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Or maybe we bought a bottle of snake oil.
I vacillate between those two possibilities.
polichick
(37,152 posts)every election is about purchasing a certain amount of snake oil.
But to me it looks like the complex Eisenhower talked about has grown so large - with greed and power so enticing - that it's a self-perpetuating and ever-expanding system.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)the other two bottles of snake oïl.
The first one had a bomb-bomb-bomb Iran sticker on it, and worldwide economic depression fine prints.
Who knows what was printed on the second one's sticker($)...
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)The 1% are the deciders now.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Way back in 2009.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)He was a big liberal and a druggie and then he grew up and realized all that pot smoking and community organizing and hippy dippy liberal policy stuff was fine for a young man but Obama has a brain as well as a heart and realized that he'd never get the big bucks when he left office from a bunch of dope smoking librhymes-with-bards.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though I don't think a given person's beliefs are all that important in politics.
cali
(114,904 posts)if you want to translate that, that would be nice.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think his goals are to push the least damaging corporatist agenda possible. Though I think TPP is a grave error on that front.
Also, my tablet's keyboard is awful, and the original version of that post had typos.
cali
(114,904 posts)one corporatist after another. We wouldn't see him appointing people to negotiate the TPP who are about as corporately connected as possible. We wouldn't see a Justice Department whose motto when it comes to corporate crimes might as well be "too big to prosecute" - which was actually said by Eric Holder. Do you actually think he couldn't appoint less corporately connected people- many of whom don't even require confirmation?
There is virtually no evidence for your belief that he wants to push the least damaging corporatist agenda possible. and you haven't even addressed the secrecy or the drone policies.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And if they got angry enough on TV in the past to impress you you'll conclude they have sold out.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Theres no good reason for setting the taxpayers up for millions or billions of liability for refusing to let some foreign country to break our laws. Why in the world the President would do this makes zero sense to me. I wish he would tell us what the hell he's thinking re: the issues you mentioned. I feel he owes us that.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The meetings have been in secret; little is known except that Monsanto has a humongous involvement.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023211515
bunnies
(15,859 posts)It seems pretty anti-America to me to allow foreign corporations to run roughshod over the laws of the United States. And then to punish the taxpayers for it? Without even letting us decide if we want it or not? WTF is that?
Do you know whether or not congress will be voting on this? I havent been able to tell from anything Ive read. Fucking monsanto.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)what some would even say is a republican-lite in terms of policies he seems to push and support. It makes you think maybe he was told to do some of the things. I don't know, maybe there is something we don't know about, that controls or has a big influence on even the White House and its current occupant.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)And I don't mean that in a good way.
I think he see's pot as a drug that he wants to keep from his daughters.
I think he see's terrorism as something he wants to prevent at all costs, to keep his children safe.
I think it's warped his thinking some.
I have no idea why he wants to cut SS with chained CPI. That one I'll never understand; unless someday he admits that he's really a Republican.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)medical marijuana he could care for both his children and patients. I am a mother who doesn't want her minor children using recreational marijuana but I also know several medical marijuana patients and would never dream of denying them medicine.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Then he noted his views on Social Security were not much different than Romney's
Maybe he found the wrong party.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)is how he got so many people from so many different groups to vote for him. I guess that should have been a red flag.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)the moderate Republican mindset in the '80s and I still don't.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Principles, such as "transparency in government" are only handy campaign slogans to be resurrected for the next campaign.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)trans (as in across the entire nation)
parent (do as you are told. We are watching)
see (See #2)
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)"I don't care whether some of you don't believe it, but I feel more sorrowful than anything else about my changed sentiments toward the President."
...I don't understand, is that most of things you listed were known years ago. When did your "sentiments" change? The fact that the President is advancing some policies that you disagree with, doesn't mean he has changed.
President Obama is one of the best Presidents this country has seen, and he operates like all President's in the scope of a vast bureaucracy, and in this current climate, massive obstruction.
I don't understand the notion of focusing on the negatives to justify withdrawing support from a President who has done a lot of good and just recently won re-election by a decisive margin.
For every disappointing claim, I can cite extremely positive achievements to counter the "pot smoker," "Community Organizer," "trade" and "rule of law" negatives.
The Stimulus.
By Mike Ervin,
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The first is a one-time additional payment of $250 to people who receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and other selected Social Security benefits. Many SSI recipients live on less than $10,000 a year, and so this additional income will make a significant difference.
Second, the stimulus package also allocates $500 million to help the Social Security Administration reduce the processing time for claims and appeals decisions. During the Bush years, the number of people awaiting final determination on their Social Security disability claims more than doubled to 755,000. Many were waiting two years or more for determination, without income. Obamas allocation should help end this disgrace.
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More creatively, Obama provided $140 million to support centers for independent living. These nonresidential centers are run by people with disabilities and are focal points for services and advocacy. There are hundreds of these centers throughout the United States, providing thousands of good jobs for people with disabilities and others in their communities.
The stimulus package will also invest in the future by providing $540 million for vocational rehabilitation programs, which assist people with disabilities in obtaining higher education and jobs.
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http://progressive.org/mag/mpervin030509.html
The Act included $500 million to help the Social Security Administration reduce its backlog in processing disability applications;
The Act supplied $12.2 billion in funding to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA);
The Act also provided $87 billion to states to bolster their Medicaid programs during the downturn; and,
The Act provided over $500 million in funding for vocational rehabilitation services to help with job training, education and placement.
The Act provided over $140 million in funding for independent living centers across the country.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/disabilities
Before the health care law, the President signed the expansion of CHIP.
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON The House gave final approval on Wednesday to a bill extending health insurance to millions of low-income children, and President Obama signed it this afternoon, in the first of what he hopes will be many steps to guarantee coverage for all Americans.
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The roll call ended a two-year odyssey for the child health legislation, which President George W. Bush adamantly opposed on the ground it would lead to government-run health care for every American.
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In a major change, the bill allows states to cover certain legal immigrants namely, children under 21 and pregnant women as well as citizens.
Until now, legal immigrants have generally been barred from Medicaid and the State Childrens Health Insurance Program for five years after they enter the United States. States will now be able to cover those immigrants without the five-year delay.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/05health.html
The health care law.
A key element of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) is the expansion of Medicaid to nearly all individuals with incomes up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three in 2012) in 2014. Medicaid currently provides health coverage for over 60 million individuals, including 1 in 4 children, but low parent eligibility levels and restrictions in eligibility for other adults mean that many low income individuals remain uninsured. The ACA expands coverage by setting a national Medicaid eligibility floor for nearly all groups. By 2016, Medicaid, along with the Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP), will cover an additional 17 million individuals, mostly low-income adults, leading to a significant reduction in the number of uninsured people.
Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today. To qualify for Medicaid prior to health reform, individuals had to meet financial eligibility criteria and belong to one of the following specific groups: children, parents, pregnant women, people with severe disability, and seniors. Non-disabled adults without dependent children were generally excluded from Medicaid unless the state obtained a waiver to cover them. The federal government sets minimum eligibility levels for each category, which are up to 133% FPL for pregnant women and children but are much lower for parents (under 50% FPL in most states). States have the option to expand coverage to higher incomes, but Medicaid eligibility levels for adults remain very limited (Figure 1). Seventeen states limit Medicaid coverage to parents earning less than 50 percent of poverty ($9,545 for a family of 3), and only eight states provide full Medicaid coverage to other low-income adults. State-by state Medicaid eligibility levels for parents and other adults are available here.
The ACA expands Medicaid to a national floor of 138% of poverty ($15,415 for an individual; $26,344 for a family of three). The threshold is 133% FPL, but 5% of an individuals income is disregarded, effectively raising the limit to 138% FPL. The expansion of coverage will make many low-income adults newly eligible for Medicaid and reduce the current variation in eligibility levels across states. To preserve the current base of coverage, states must also maintain minimum eligibility levels in place as of March 2010, when the law was signed. This requirement remains in effect until 2014 for adults and 2019 for children. Under the ACA, states also have the option to expand coverage early to low-income adults prior to 2014. To date, eight states (CA, CT, CO, DC, MN, MO, NJ and WA) have taken up this option to extend Medicaid to adults. Nearly all of these states previously provided solely state- or county-funded coverage to some low-income adults. By moving these adults to Medicaid and obtaining federal financing, these states were able to maintain and, in some cases, expand coverage. Together these early expansions covered over half a million adults as of April 2012.
Eligibility requirements for the elderly and persons with disabilities do not change under reform although some individuals with disabilities may become newly eligible under the adult expansion. Lawfully residing immigrants will be eligible for the Medicaid expansion, although many will continue to be subject to a five-year waiting period before they may enroll in coverage. States have the option to eliminate this five-year waiting period for children and pregnant women but not for other adults. Undocumented immigrants will remain ineligible for Medicaid.
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http://www.kff.org/medicaid/quicktake_aca_medicaid.cfm
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) on Monday said the state will join the Medicaid expansion under the new federal health care law, the Associated Press reported.
Her announcement came as a surprise to many observers, and it distinguishes Brewer from other Republican governors. The Supreme Court's ruling last summer on the Affordable Care Act, widely known as "Obamacare," made the Medicaid expansion under the federal law optional and state leaders such as Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) have already opted out.
But in her State of the State address on Monday, Brewer rejected the notion that a rejection of the expansion would reduce the federal government's deficit.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/arizona-gov-brewer-opts-for-obamacare-medicaid-expansion
HHS Ruling Helps Workers But Spells Trouble for Employer Mandate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023207327
LGBT rights.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/09/481147/obama-marriage-2/
Pres.Obama urging state lawmakers to legalize gay marriage in Illinois
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012/12/obama_urging_state_lawmakers_t.html
The End of the Iraq War: A Timeline
http://www.whitehouse.gov/iraq
Osama bin Laden brought to justice
Rescuing the auto industry.
Before the domestic auto rescue, President Obama made$5 billion in Federal loans available to small auto parts suppliers:
The Treasury Department announced a $5 billion program to aid struggling auto-parts suppliers, raising the likelihood the government will extend more aid to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.
What a lot of folks, including politicians, don't seem to realize is that GM and Chrysler merely ASSEMBLE cars. They don't make the parts.
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Obama rescued the Domestic Auto Industry.
But BEFORE that. BEFORE that. BEFORE he sent the domestic auto industry into structuered bankruptcy, he made sure the LITTLE GUYS....the SMALL manufacturing companies that make SPRINGS or BOLTS or LATCHES or TINY WIDGETS were able to stay afloat so that when GM got back on its feet again it didn't have to look to CHINA or MEXICO to make those parts because the previous suppliers had gone belly up.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/29/1069618/-What-Happened-Before-the-Rescue-of-the-Domestic-Auto-Industry
Bedrock Consumer Protections Once Were Flogged as Exceedingly Dangerous, Monstrous Systems That Would Cripple the Economy
WASHINGTON, D.C. As the nation approaches the first anniversary of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, opponents are claiming that the new measure is extraordinarily damaging, especially to Main Street. But industrys alarmist rhetoric bears striking resemblance to the last time it faced sweeping new safeguards: during the New Deal reforms. The parallels between the language used both then and now are detailed in a report released today by Public Citizen and the Cry Wolf Project.
In the decades since the Great Depression, Americans acknowledged the necessity of having safeguards in place to prevent another crash of the financial markets, including the creation of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and laws requiring public companies to accurately disclose their financial affairs. Although these are now seen as bedrock protections when they were first introduced, Wall Street cried foul, the new report, Industry Repeats Itself: The Financial Reform Fight, found.
The business communitys wildly inaccurate forecasts about the New Deal reforms devalue the credibility of the ominous predictions they are making today, said Taylor Lincoln, research director of Public Citizens Congress Watch division and author of the report. If history comes close to repeating itself, industry is going to look very silly for its hand-wringing over Dodd-Frank when people look back.
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In fact, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act is designed to prevent another Wall Street crash, which really made it tough on everyone by causing massive job loss and severely hurting corner butchers and bakers, as well as retirees, families with mortgages and others. The Dodd-Frank law increases transparency (particularly in derivatives markets); creates a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to ensure that consumers receive straightforward information about financial products and to police abusive practices; improves corporate governance; increases capital requirements for banks; deters particularly large financial institutions from providing incentives for employees to take undue risks; and gives the government the ability to take failed investment institutions into receivership, similar to the FDICs authority regarding commercial banks. Much of it has yet to be implemented.
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http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/07/12-0
Statement from Earthjustice Vice President of Litigation Patti Goldman:
America owes Lisa Jackson a debt of gratitude for her work to protect the public's health from polluters and their allies in Congress. For her efforts to clean up pollution and better protect the environment and public health, she faced a steady barrage from members of Congress and the industrial polluters who back them. Her detractors are the same people who told us taking lead out of gasoline in the 1970's would break the economy and that taking acid out of acid rain in the 1990's would ruin the country. In both cases, the environment and economy were strengthened and this is the approach Lisa Jackson took. There is a lot of unfinished business started by Jackson that the next EPA director will need to attend to. Whoever it is, they'll need the support of the President and they'll need to be ready for a non-stop barrage of attacks from the chemical, industrial and fossil fuel industries and their allies in Congress.
After 17 years of Earthjustice litigation it was Lisa Jackson who finally regulated mercury and other toxic pollutants coming from power plants. After a decade of litigation from Earthjustice and others, it was Lisa Jackson who supported and implemented regulations aimed at curbing greenhouse gases. After more than a decade of Earthjustice litigation it was Lisa Jackson who finally implemented the first regulation of mercury from cement kilns all over the country.
http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2012/lisa-jackson-to-leave-epa-earthjustice-statement
By Laura W. Murphy
June 2011 marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's declaration of a "war on drugs" a war that has cost roughly a trillion dollars, has produced little to no effect on the supply of or demand for drugs in the United States, and has contributed to making America the world's largest incarcerator. Throughout the month, check back daily for posts about the drug war, its victims and what needs to be done to restore fairness and create effective policy.
Today is an exciting day for the ACLU and criminal justice advocates around the country. Following much thought and careful deliberation, the United States Sentencing Commission took another step toward creating fairness in federal sentencing by retroactively applying the new Fair Sentencing Act (FSA) guidelines to individuals sentenced before the law was enacted. This decision will help ensure that over 12,000 people 85 percent of whom are African-Americans will have the opportunity to have their sentences for crack cocaine offenses reviewed by a federal judge and possibly reduced.
This decision is particularly important to me because, as director of the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office, I have advocated for Congress and the sentencing commission to reform federal crack cocaine laws for almost 20 years. In 1993, the ACLU lead the coalition that convened the first national symposium highlighting the crack cocaine disparity entitled "The 100 to 1 Ratio: Racial Bias in Cocaine Laws." Now, 25 years after the first crack cocaine law was enacted in the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act, the sentencing commission has taken another step toward ending the racial and sentencing disparities that continue to exist in our criminal justice system.
By voting in favor of retroactivity, I am pleased that the commission chose justice over demagoguery and concluded that retroactivity was necessary to ensuring that the goals of the FSA were fully realized. It is important to remember that even with today's commission vote not every crack cocaine offender will have his or her sentence reduced. Judges are still required to determine whether a person qualifies for a retroactive reduction so, contrary to what some have said, this is not a "get out of jail free card."
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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/justice-served
Chance at Freedom: Retroactive Crack Sentence Reductions For Up to 12,000 May Begin Today
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/chance-freedom-retroactive-crack-sentence-reductions-12000-may-begin-today
Here's a great clip from December 2010: Rachel Maddow on securing loose nuclear materials
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/40859004
The START Treaty.
For the last two years, Democrats have held the White House as well as big majorities in both the House and the Senate. Their record of achievement in that time, even in the face of unified, at times totally random Republican opposition, Republican opposition even do things Republicans had proposed in the first place, unified Republican opposition even to their own ideastheir track record even in the face of that is historic.
Whether you agree or disagree with what Democrats have done in the first two years of President Obamas presidency, they have freaking done it. The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act for women, expanding childrens health insurance, new hate crimes legislation that they said could not be done, tobacco regulation, credit card reform, student loan reform, the stimulus - which in addition to helping pull this country back from the brink of a Great Depression was also the largest tax cut ever, the largest investment in clean energy ever, the single largest investment in education in our country ever.
There was also a little thing you may have heard of called health reform. Also, Wall Street reform, the improvements to the new G.I. bill, the most expansive food safety bill since the 1930s.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40898769/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/
Trade:
In case you missed it: Good moves by the Obama administration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002540300
By Lee White
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Steven Aftergood (Director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and the publisher of the blog Secrecy News)
In retrospect, the Administration erred in making its early public statements promising unprecedented transparency. The President raised expectations so high that the ensuing disappointment was inevitable. The smarter move would have been to demonstrate openness in actions, not in words, and to exceed public expectations.
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Thomas Blanton (Director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.)
There are obviously some differences of opinion on this subject. My own is that too often we conflate "the Obama administration" with actions of specific agencies or specific bureaucrats, when in fact the policy decision at the top has been pretty good, just stymied by ongoing bureaucratic obfuscation in the middle and the bottom. Or even worse, continuity by federal career employees of Bush policies that the White House has not succeeded in changing.
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Anne Weismann (Chief Counsel for Citizen's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington-CREW)
In my assessment, the administration's record on transparency is mixed. Without question, President Obama put strong, pro-transparency policies in place that really set the benchmark for a more open government. The problem has been in implementing those policies at the agency level. Agencies have been encouraged to make proactive disclosures, but they have shown little regard for the quality of and public interest in the information they are posting. And the administration has not provided them much guidance on this front.
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Patrice McDermott (Executive Director of OpenTheGovernment.Org)
I think it is a very mixed bag. There are strong indications that the initiatives and efforts of the Obama Administration have begun to institutionalize changes in the attitudes of components of the Executive Branch, mostly in the area of domestic right-to-know. While the effectiveness of FOIA as a disclosure and accountability tool for the public continues to lag behind the promises the President and the Attorney General made, much more attention is being directed by agencies to improving the process, and agencies are putting more information out proactively (without requiring or waiting for a FOIA request)and not just the usual stuff they want you to know. The greatest frustration on the domestic policy front has been the ongoing changes in policy personnel in the White House, creating problems of follow-through and consistency.
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http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/issues/2012/1209/Transparency-Declassification-and-Obama-Presidency.cfm
Obama offers GOP an ambitious, progressive debt-reduction plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021905787
Obama First POTUS in History to Publicly Support Divestment Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023144219
The new State Department special envoy for closing the United States military's detention center located at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba began the effort to shut down the polarizing prison camp, McClatchy reported Thursday.
Clifford Sloan, a former publisher of Slate magazine and a Washington attorney whos worked in all three branches of government, embarked on a one-day tour of the prison facility, where he had discussions with military and medical personnel.
In a major national security speech in May, President Barack Obama vowed to close Gitmo, which he said has "become a symbol around the world for an America that flouts the rule of law." Obama has drawn criticism, mostly from the left, for failing to close the detention center during his first term in office, despite his 2008 campaign pledge to do so.
President Obama has been very clear as he laid out the goal,and the objective is to close Guantánamo," Sloan told McClatchy. Our marching orders are clear.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/new-state-dept-envoy-begins-work-of-closing
ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023036083
cali
(114,904 posts)links?
Your posts are almost invariably not responsive. This one wasn't.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"this stuff is just sad. do you ever post things in your own words without endless links?
...why you don't want the "links," but you still have my response. I'll repeat it for you without the links:
What
"I don't care whether some of you don't believe it, but I feel more sorrowful than anything else about my changed sentiments toward the President."
...I don't understand, is that most of things you listed were known years ago. When did your "sentiments" change? The fact that the President is advancing some policies that you disagree with, doesn't mean he has changed.
President Obama is one of the best Presidents this country has seen, and he operates like all President's in the scope of a vast bureaucracy, and in this current climate, massive obstruction.
I don't understand the notion of focusing on the negatives to justify withdrawing support from a President who has done a lot of good and just recently won re-election by a decisive margin.
For every disappointing claim, I can cite extremely positive achievements to counter the "pot smoker," "Community Organizer," "trade" and "rule of law" negatives.
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm beginning to see that part of the problem is that you simply don't write well. That may account for the endless linkage. You don't seem to be able to craft a persuasive argument.
I posted examples of how he has changed. The chained CPI proposal is one such example.
Your claim that this President is one of the best Presidents that the country has ever seen, explains a great deal. Political analysts and historians pretty universally disagree with your opinion on that, but it does explain your fierce defense and partisanship. You're highly invested in believing in it and you will not entertain anything that challenges that belief.
There are many opportunities for the President to act independently of gridlock; drone policy, for example. Appointments that don't require confirmation is another example.
One has to weigh the good he's accomplished against the bad. We'll see how it all sugars off.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)but a deep mistrust of the posters judgement by the poster her/himself.
by trusting the feels and leaning on external data points and lockstep opinions, when there is a failure or when the evidence of the negative is overwhelming, there is no requirement for accountability to an opinion that isn't the posters own.
its a coping strategy.
These posts are like the stuff I find in my spam filter. I give them as much attention as I give an ad for Wonder Bread.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)msongs
(67,441 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)To get his kids a dog
too long.... that's not much better than spamming.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)second term. I felt sold out.
To be frank, I believed back then that Corporations were running the show and got so disgusted I voted for Nader. It wasn't much of a risk about the election because I am in CT which would go big for Gore. To be honest I thought that it didn't matter. After the court anointed bush and I saw what he was doing I realized how wrong I was and thought I wouldn't stray from the Democratic Party again. that is when I arrived at DU.
I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place. I don't have the gene required to pull a lever with repug on it and I loathe everything they stand for and here I am.. a disgruntled Democrat again.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)He is a politician in a corrupt system, which allowed him to be a viable candidate that will front it. The president's job may simply not be to promote personal beliefs, especially those that are not conducive to the system's wishes.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Governance, We the People do not get a President; we get a puppet.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Its makes you all happy. It also makes it easier to polish those turds for the enamored majority, who bend-over backwards to defend their beloved turd-polisher.
And when I say that, Im not taking shots at any president personally. This is simply their job. They are there to sell policy and suck up the hate, so once they are gone, we can proceed with joy for the new boss.
Too many people eat up this democracy rhetoric as if it means anything. Come on. We are all going through the motions if we participate at all. If thats what you want to do, cool.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)But if you don't Ignore (I have no reason to think you may, but my list is growing), I still think we averted much worse by feeling joy for O than feeling depression because of both mcworse and rmoney.
Maybe it's just me, but I still can feel that joy from time to time, and I also understand it's unrealistic to expect feeling it all the time. In a dream world, sure. That world isn't coming anytime soon, as it never ever came before.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Look though, if you didn't feel joy, other people would have (the majority in an alternate reality). As long as 50%+ people are happy, "hope" and the illusion of democracy exist while the machine grows. But the pendulum must swing or the other side wont get a cathartic release and renewal--they will get more extreme.
That world isn't coming anytime soon, as it never ever came before.
I think you mean the end of the world, right? And no, but the end of civilization may be quickly approaching with that climate change thing that neither side has a real answer to because they are stuck in yesterday's paradigms.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)but rather the Utopian World we were told would come
You know, Peace, Love, Flowers, Pot, Food, Nature, Communities, transparent politics, shared wealth, shared love, no wars, no machos, etc.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Carter was the highest ranking politician to overtly lay out the choices we faced. We chose growth. We chose to reach for a wealth and develop the technophile's utopia and God. There is no way back. Just nature's impending cull.
I remember as a child how this new world wasn't so ubiquitous and pervasive. Now its inescapable. And the environment is started to turn. We really live in a new world, and every decade, fewer and fewer are going to remember what was and what could of been to the point that the door completely shuts on this alternative possibility. Its just no longer possible without a "reset". Its sad how we all blew it, but who had a crystal ball? If anyone had one, I really wonder if they'd stop consuming so much energy even today knowing what is coming tomorrow.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Nine weeks.The very last headline I caught as I was in the air terminal, it read: "Carter popularity at all time high."
I returned to the USA nine weeks later. The first headline I read was "Carter popularity is now 18%"
In nine weeks, the powers that be attacked this man for the poor economic situation, that was a total result of the powers that be creating the "oil shortage." And also the PTB had the interest rates rise to over 18%. But Carter got the blame so that Ron Reagan got in.
And here is a history sound byte of what our leadership looked like sometime before Carter. Notice the lack of platitudes, although democracy is mentioned in passing. But the speech centers on the needs of the poorest of the poor in the USA, not on the Wall Street Big To Fail types. None of us have head any speeches like this since Senator Wellstone was around:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023214519
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)of their government than we get from ours. There are countries that are not completely obsessed with perpetual war. There are countries that share wealth and education and healthcare. We must never stop fighting for these things. We will probably never get them as long as we are a capitalist country, but we must keep fighting. Maybe one day we will be ready for something different than capitalism.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)He could have been met in the White House on his first day with a file on his past behaviour...and with damaging things like banging the babysitter and made him an offer he could not refuse...
Like he would do what they want and wind up with a presidential library and a family set for life among the elite....or wind up impeached or perhaps like Kennedy....
Think about it...what would you do?
A bog fat jucy carrot or a big stick with spikes in it...
Nay
(12,051 posts)of Obama's actions. I can only assume he has been blackmailed or he was never what he seemed. I have no other conclusions to come to.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)In March of 2011, federal agents in hazmat suits guns brandished and sirens blaring raided dozens of marijuana greenhouses and dispensaries in Montana, and arrested citizens who were growing pot in accordance with the states medical marijuana law.
Snip...
The top federal prosecutor in Montana Mike Cotter, the U.S. attorney appointed by President Obama in 2009
Snip...
When Cotter charged these citizens in 2011, he gave no credence to a very basic protest that they all made: theyd been assured in writing, by Eric Holder, the U.S. attorney general, that they could grow medical marijuana and the feds wouldnt prosecute them.
The defendants pointed to dozens of statements made by Holder and even the president, and specifically the now-infamous Ogden Memo. This was a publicly released document in 2009 document, written by David Ogden, Eric Holders deputy, that instructed federal law enforcement officers nationwide to leave medical marijuana growers alone as long as they were abiding by state law. This memo was reported in the national press, and local papers too, as a virtual ceding of jurisdiction by the federal government. U.S. Wont Prosecute in States that Have Medical Marijuana, heralded a New York Times headline.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/us-attorney-said-montana-medical-pot-growers-wouldnt-be-prosecuted-now-theyre-facing-life?paging=off
indepat
(20,899 posts)somebody has gotten to BHO and managed to change his mind on all these matters, and that's scary as hell. Moreover, all changes in positions on these issues are for the benefit of monied corporate interests. As such, the 99% are forever screwed unless they voice their strong opposition to this corporatist government in ringing and resounding unison at the polls and every day in the social media and elsewhere.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)actions runs contrary to a campaign pledge. But we are always left with silence.
I contributed more money to Obama's two campaigns then I ever thought I would contribute to anything.
We are now down to the last few years of his Presidency and i have given up the idea that we were going to see a new progressive movement in my lifetime. I thought on Nov 2008 that we were going to see real change.
I don't hate Obama and I realize the right makes things difficult for him, but I have lost faith that change will happen.
I stopped contributing to the DNC and OFA.
I now send that money to organizations that I think are doing good in local communities.
Radicalman
(180 posts)What can we make of this? Despite a strategy of ignoring climate change during his first term, President Barack Obama claims he's ready to make it a top priority. In his State of the Union address on February 12, he said: "For the sake of our children and our future, we must do more to combat climate change."
But the president has so far failed to back up his words with any meaningful action, and there's good reason to doubt his sincerity. Moments after noting that "the 12 hottest years on record have all come in the last 15," Obama boasted that his "administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits."
When he campaigned, Obama said that Climate Change would be a top priority. Now he pays powerful lip service to its importance.
But what will he do about the Keystone XL Pipeline? Why has he delayed a decision for so long?
There are many posts on Http://fortheleft.blogspot.com that deal with this and other questions concerning Obama. Of course, if you want to see direct attacks on his policies, Z Net and Counterpunch websites are excellent.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)values of most Democrats, indeed most Americans, and people on the planet.
It does, however, support the will of the hording class.
One simply need ask, who has done best under his Presidency, the oil, bank, and war industry? The uber rich? Or we the people?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)He may have learned a lesson in his early life which we never considered. (I, too, was an early enthusiastic supporter. But I completely overlooked a factor from his early background. Now it seems obvious.)
His book, Dreams from My Father, was focused on by him as indicating lessons that influenced him.
Those who became British colloborators in Kenya became rich. Reportedly, his grandfather Onyango Obama was known to have a favorite saying, "If you do a good job for the white man, then he will always pay you well." Although Obama did not describe him with affection in his book, he did not reject that philosophy.
Whenever you want to understand what Obama is going to do, don't look to the traditional policies of the Democratic Party and his role as a professional Democrat (D), don't look at the Constitution and his role as a constitutional scholar, don't look to the laws and his role as a lawyer, don't look to the poverty in American and his role as a community organizer.
Instead, look at what the international super-rich want. Some of the banksters that received our money aren't even American banksters.
What the international super-rich want, he is going to deliver.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)He works for the owners, the banksters, the captains of industry. The same as 90% of elected officials everywhere in this country. That's the cold hard fact.
We have no friends in government outside of a few renegade idealists, they're ALL bought off, they're ALL owned by the same people.
The difference between the parties is a little lube and maybe a friendly reach around versus a flat out dry rape. Either way you're getting fucked.
That's just the way it is and it will take massive protests and strikes like they do it in other countries to make a difference. And I just don't see that happening in fat, lazy, brainwashed America. It ain't happening.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)with him far sooner than you did. However, I still believe he has the best interests of this country at heart and is trying to do what he thinks is best, even if it's Wall Street friendly and not close to the solutions FDR might have used. He's not selling us out with no regard to consequences to the future of future generations like the Republican administrations have and will do in the future should we ever let them get in power again.
Also, I believe that the Congress and Supreme Court he has had to contend with have a lot to do with his governing to the right of center. Clinton did the same. They are both great triangulators at the end of the day.
Billy Pilgrim
(96 posts)granted under the Patriot Act. I believe he will do so when the time is right. And when he does the force of all this backlash against him will become a force of momentum for his party.
No tyrant would offer to give up power.
I think by the time his Presidency is over he will have redeemed himself.
At least that's what I like to think.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But a tyrant can offer to give up power. It's just an offer. And it's really not giving up the power, because he can always get the power back. President Obama says he wont use the indefinite detention allowed by law. How binding is that? He wont use it until he decides to use it, with great justification, of course.
And if he is willing to give up the power, why isnt he willing to change the law so that the next president wont get the choice?
Your faith is admirable, but dont abrogate your reasoning.
Billy Pilgrim
(96 posts)And people call him a tyrant often.
I still like to think he'll redeem himself and his supporters. And yes I may be wrong.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)without due process, far from any battlefield. He used that power at least twice, against Anwar al-Awlaki and then against his 16 year old son. No other U.S. President had ever claimed such power. In that context, his offer to relinquish executive power rings hollow.
If one accepts that the President can order a citizen killed, anywhere in the world, without presenting a shred of evidence or issuing an indictment OR EVEN CHARGING THE CITIZEN WITH A CRIME, then I have one question:
Just what the hell WON'T one accept?
Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)I live in Chicago and 'have been an observer of the political scene for many years. I never heard of him. He was in the Illinois legislature for years and there wasn't a peep out of him then all of a sudden some of the big pols started putting his name forward and steering popular Bills his way in order for him to get his name known.
Then when I saw him in action, when he went on the national stage, I thought "Wow - where has this guy been all my life?" My husband, who is a real 60's leftie, was always suspicious of him and his motives, seeing him as a true opportunist and felt he was a person who did not have a true political core or political principles.
Over the years I realize he (DH) was correct. I was taken in and I feel very bitter about being lied to. I know all pols do it but I really fell for this one and I feel like a total chump.
I guess after he leaves office some brave soul will write a book about the real Obama and that will open a lot of eyes.
Bottom line, I recently heard him described as a born conciliator - I sure wish I had known that in 2008 when I campaigned for someone I thought would FIGHT for "our" ideals and not the rethug lover we got instead.
Flaxbee
(13,661 posts)repay favors he's accumulated along the way.
I really don't think any president has a lot of leeway. It may seem Bush did, but his beliefs (Cheney's and Poppy Bush) are/were more in line with those of global corporations so when he rolled over to their wishes, everyone just thought that was because he's a republican, not because the presidency had no real power.
It seems that Obama has changed a lot because the democratic/progressive point of view is very different from that of big money/big business.
And so, all those who put him in power, or could make his life hell, let him have a few tiny victories (that really don't help a lot ....) and expect him to toe the line and fully capitulate to their interests, without it seeming quite so blatant --- have to preserve the illusion of democracy, after all.
If you believe fascism is a merging of corporate interest with government power (along with controlled mass media and supremacy of military power and interests and pretty strong nationalism), then we're fascist, and we have been for a long time. It was pure fantasy to think he could have made a lasting difference, or that he wouldn't look out for his own, and his family's, continued and long term well-being.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I believed in Barack Obama. Why Rick Warren?
Do you need Rahm to spell it out?
bvar22
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)And I do share your sorrow, because I like Mr. Obama.
However...
THE MAN'S GOT A FUCKING GUN POINTED DIRECTLY AT HIS HEAD!!!
And/or the heads of his children.
The big capitalists have made it clear to him that he plays, or he pays.
It's not a mystery...
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)Prosense has a long list of Obama's progressive accomplishments. If right wing elements have a gun to his head why do they let him make so much progress? A lot of people are calling him the greatest president since FDR. How can that be if he has a gun to his head preventing his accomplishing a progressive agenda?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)On money issues the corporatists get their way every time.
I am nervous about the XL pipeline because he doesn't have a good track record when it comes to saying no to billionaires.
senseandsensibility
(17,130 posts)He never stands up on the economic issues. That's what makes me really suspicious of who is calling the shots. IMO the one percent could not care less about marriage equality, abortion rights, or anything else that doesn't cost them money. So apparently, he has some leeway there.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)...but we're not supposed to notice that. Like the little boy that noticed that the Emperor had no clothes. We're supposed to put duct tape over our mouths, or self-censor.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Extending Bush tax cuts. Secret surveillance of innocent Americans. Cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Secret corporate friendly trade deals. Amnesty for Wall Street crooks. Bush foreign policy appointments. Industry insider oversight appointments.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I volunteered many hours to get Obama re-elected. And now I feel that he has turned his back on me. Comey at the FBI will be a disaster.
I am not concerned about marijuana laws, but I am so concerned about the surveillance. If the surveillance is specifically related to an active criminal investigation, fine. But other than that we should not have ANY surveillance. We should not have ANY at all.
I don't snoop on the business of my children, my friends or my family. I try to let my neighbors live their lives in peace. (That is sometimes quite a challenge. One neighbor's driveway is filled with trash, and then the neighbor parks the family cars (numerous) on the street and complains when other drivers block his driveway. I have offered to help clean up the trash, but to no avail.)
Live and let live.
Why can't our snoopy government live and let live. If our government interfered less in other people's business, we wouldn't need such a huge defense budget. Let other people live their lives as long as they don't bother us.
And don't let people into the country who might pose a threat. We don't need them that much in the first place. The time to investigate people is when they ask for a visa.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)and the vast money that can be made from it. Obama showed up after that mess, but is hamstrung/seduced by the revelations it unleashed.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Global warming is a bigger threat than terrorism. But Obama is so keen on pleasing Republicans that he refuses to really move strongly on the global warming issue. He is much better than Romney would have been, but not nearly strong enough.
Meanwhile, time is running out for the coming generations. We will have a huge facility sifting through oceans of junk mail for people who are dying of thirst. Does that make sense?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Let's work to nominate someone we know for sure is a progressive next time, like Alan Grayson, or maybe Elizabeth Warren.
All the cards in the system are stacked against us, but maybe we'll get lucky next time around.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)The game is rigged.
I think youthful idealism gets eroded quickly in our current political climate...
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)despite promises and branding to the contrary. it's this revolving door that makes a mockery of our system...and the public is the butt of the joke.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Feet of clay! Dump the idol! Shut down the shrines!
Big help.
cali
(114,904 posts)in the op. I didn't expect a flawless president. I don't blame him for instance for not going for single payer or even for not closing Gitmo.
If it makes you feel better somehow to bitterly screech utterly false crap, have at it, dear.
aquart
(69,014 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)Rec'd and kicked.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)and being discouraged from
criticizing policies without addressing this obvious change in ideology if not personality, is too blind and dishonest for me.
I wish we could have a real discussion about this shift, and how deeply disturbing, disappointing and frustrating it is--and all keep the respect.
What can make a man do practically a 180 from his education, his background, and what he stood up for? It's like inside the beltway is an alternate universe where the powers that be drive the policy, the message, and all conflicting opinions are left behind. Like the twilight zone, where all the rules change and a new reality applies.
Not to mention the possibility (that no one wants to think about) that there are 'ways' to coerce and force representatives to comply. I actually suspect this. How else did nearly ALL our representatives take a HARD right after 911? I don't buy for a second that all the shock and awe came from the event. That nearly unanimously, our representatives all FORGOT THEIR OATHS of office. Thereafter having a totally different dialogue, media changed along with this 'new reality' of unquestioning obedience that has continued to this day. They stopped listening to citizens after that-- to me this marked the suspension of our democracy.
When President Obama was elected, the whole world celebrated, because he ran as a DC outsider. I am still sad at what happened after that. I think someone did something to him or threatened him. If the public can be manipulated ISN'T IT POSSIBLE our representatives can be also?
This is a VITAL discussion, because if we cannot expect someone with as strong a personality as Barack Obama to hold up to DC, what does this mean for our future?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The social change FORCES them to follow.
Considering Bush ran against same sex marriage in his mid-term I'd say things are flipping fast.
Weed is going to be 100% legal before you know it.
The really BIG change is going to be to give up the old post WWII fixation on equating the United States with Capitalism. We changed a LOT of laws to allow our corporations to become international monsters and it's going to take the same kind of international cooperation with our allies to reign them in.
It's not going to be easy as they have bought and paid for politicians and judges globally.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023022113
It has only been about three weeks.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)became VERY powerful after 2000, I lived near DC during that time and the whole atmosphere changed. To see Al Gore concede so quickly, and the congress gavel dissenters into silence was eerie. Creepy and eerie, when there was SO much obvious fraud!
They even made talking about the disaster taboo--and the LESSON we walk away with is THIS: " There are powers in the world you cannot question." No discussion--FOREVER will be tolerated, all those attempting to do so now will be called 'truthers'...adults with a brain now treated like 6 year olds-- truuuuuthers. Does this not sound like psi ops? I will stop here out of respect for DU rules.
This is NOT woo woo stuff-- to acknowledge that these SAME people, who have the ability to influence policy WORLDWIDE, have been put in place to usurp our government. I maintain that many are being coerced. Representatives are shown what not to question.
I have the 'forbidden' point of view, but the way I respect people is to be honest. I am an adult and don't expect really anyone to agree.
Peace~~Felix
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... his brain. Or maybe Bill Hicks was right.
ellennelle
(614 posts)(up front apology for the length; waiting for my car AC to get repaired.)
let's not forget here, obama is a deeply progressive liberal in his personal principles, but - this is important - he is also deeply aware that he is a president of ALL the people, not just king of the dems.
he canNOT do what bush wanted to do - and often did - and impose his will.
all to his credit.
so, consider all the various pressures and demands that he has encountered since he was thrown into... all this.
now, consider the larger than even the over-the-top RWN tea bagger belligerent republican hatred and obstruction he faces on a daily basis; consider the military-industrial-intelligence complex.
this behemoth is beyond enormous; it rules the world. literally. make no mistake. i'll guess he had his suspicions when he ran, but i'll also guess he had no earthly clue just HOW HUGE and dominant and corrupt and unconstitutional all that has become, much of it in the past decade.
so what he's left with is this: how do i navigate it all? how do i stand up to my duty and lead us in the best steps we can hope for, steps that lead to ultimate success?
which is where the 11 dimensional chess mind comes in.
which is where i most certainly am not.
but i know how anyone in that situation should navigate it all: with tremendously delicate and finely toned surgical care. most certainly not by stampeding in on a white horse and taking no prisoners (see bush). because at risk is killing the patient.
take the environmental piece as just one example. do you really think it's so simple as to just do what we all wish were possible right now, that he could just wave his magic negro wand and make all the oil companies pay zenormous fines to convert the world to renewables, and we can then all grow flowers and romp with the lions and lambs since we'll all be vegan and no one will ever be sad again. (at this juncture, i have to recommend you visit the one and only tbogg for this pearl of wisdom.) i do not use the magic negro phrase lightly; obama knew far better than any of us the venom that awaited him the minute he threw is hat in the ring, and it's only become more venomous since he won. you all know the history; how does anyone navigate that, much less lead?? but consider this as well: what if he were to do just that? what then? you think it would be met with universal support? do you honestly think dictating comprehensive environmental reform would not result in a backlash from hell? at the very least - the very least - the industrial powers-that-be would dump more money than gawd into defeating every democrat for the forseeable future, bar none, even more than ever before. not that every one of them would be met with success, but think about that. this is the saddest truth about how far our country has slid into corruption and vice (and i would say, fascism, given that mussolini defined the term as synonymous with "corporatism" . and obama must recognize this as reality.
another scenario, ACA. remember how eagerly obama went for the passing of this bill, even sacrificing numbers of progressive demands, like the public option (forget about single payer, as rahm ditched that from the get-go; so glad he's gone and tanking)? what he always knew was that simply something had to be passed as a basic foundation upon which greater changes could be made in the future. this is actually the way social security happened, gradually, not all at once. and he has to know this is another one republicans will fight to the death, because they have ALWAYS known that each and every government program that serves the safety net is forever remembered with the gratitude of votes. the post FDR republicans watched this happen, and have fought it ever since. obama knows this, he knows it's better to make the lives of americans a little better is not only just good will, it's also good politics, something that ties the opposition in so many knots they fight it all like hell.
and then there's this surveillance piece, something we've all really known about for years. so consider this: what pres. obama is faced with when he's briefed on all this by the MILITARY THAT CONTROLS THE WORLD are the threats that if he does NOT continue with their programs, americans will die. there is this terrorist plan and that plot and this risk and that suspicion and this intelligence and that analysis, and on and on.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE IF CONFRONTED WITH THESE OPTIONS? WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO LET AMERICANS DIE? ON PRINCIPLE?
do you let americans die? makes a nice license plate for NH, but frankly, it only applies to the one with the option in his or her hands for his or her own life. you simply cannot expect any president to make that choice for innocent americans in order to keep his principles in tact. life is, after all, the first unalienable right listed in the Declaration.
it seems to me that too many here are too quick (and i suspect, too young to remember much) to judge in this greenwald mold. don't get me wrong, i admire and respect a great deal of his work. however, he is not squeaky clean himself, and who among us can cast the first stone? after all, we each and every one make compromises each and every day, in our relationships with family, friends, community, work, you name it.
HOW CAN ANYONE THEREFORE TRULY EXPECT THIS MAN TO GOVERN WITHOUT MAKING ANY COMPROMISES???
the name of the governing game is compromise, pure and simple. otherwise, you govern like that faction of rump republicans who take it as a badge of honor to never compromise. where's that at?
compromise seems to be the way good bills move through the system, gradually. unlike very bad bills, like bush's PATRIOT act and his medical bill that created the donut hole, the gift to the pharmaceutical industry; both rammed thru under the shadiest of circumstances.
in general, managing such things, including the military and industrial powers, is a matter first of being able to sense how much gas to apply, when to brake and how much, when to clutch. at every turn, you have to consider so many plates spinning in the air, and each one of them is loaded with potential disaster. it's all become so damn tricky, it literally boggles my mind.
so consider all these things, and consider who out there you would trust to do a better job. and before you jump to a conclusion, consider further:
anyone else might not have this man's intelligence, knowledge, caring and humility (yes, he did do community service in chicago, and wore shoes with holes in the soles), principles, cunning (a good thing ultimately on our side), and yes both idealism and realism.
yes, the man is both idealistic and realistic, in ways not dissimilar to MLK, jr. and he knows, much as king did, that his own dreams will not be realized in his tenure. he sees the writing on this outrageous republican wall of obstruction telling him his only prayer is to take baby steps, and make sure he does not sabotage the future for is party. this party is also corrupt, but please people, get real; this is the only consequential choice we have now, between dems and republicans. so which one do you trust to get us closer to those goals? really? are you willing to do anything to sabotage those chances?
and who would you choose now to do a better job under these outrageous circumstances? someone more like bush? he's our go-to man if - like glenn greenwald - you believe a leader should never under any circumstances compromise in order to move the process along, however halting, toward the larger greater goal? if you're demanding that obama adhere rigidly to most everything he said during his life, or even just his campaigns, then i suggest you opt for the mywayorthehiway mentality of bush, cheney, and the thousands of like-minded jackboots who are now running our country down the toilet under the name of republicans.
the president is NOT and never has been or will be king. obama canNOT dictate what he wants, and sure not what we want.
so, careful what you wish for.
if you really listen to this man carefully, at every turn, on every issue, he has alwaysalwaysALWAYS encouraged, beseeched, and begged the american people to make their voices heard.
it is true this system is deaf, but it is still possible to get the attention of the deaf.
it requires that we be steadfast and clever and patient yet persevering.
when you feel you might despair that the forces are all overpowering us and we're doomed, just consider...
what this black man of unique life and exquisite character and profound fate faces in each and every moment.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)factor in for-profit health insurance, criminal banking cronies, talk of cutting Social Sec. and an Orwellian spying apparatus mixed with whistle blower retaliation and endless propaganda and what you have is a republican who plays a democrat on TV.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not seem to have happened. I am especially upset about the failure to make many of the changes from the bushie war policies to those of peace time. Yet deep in my heart I know that like him or not he is all we have right now.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He's a moderate and I think his main goal was to transform and reunite the country. I don't see anything he has done as President that goes against that goal.. although he has not been successful.. yet.
cali
(114,904 posts)if I misread him, it was because I took him at his word.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)No politician can possibly keep all promises made during campaigns. Anyone who follows politics knows that.
cali
(114,904 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)What you consider highest priority may not even be in the top ten with this President.. in fact I totally suspect that is the case.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . and are ones a lot of us are asking ourselves these days!
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)at this point I don't think a genuine champion of the 99% could be allowed anywhere near the nomination, ever
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)But I don't think it would go over well.
It has to do with what people do in order to fit in with new cultures and environments and how it affects whether or not you retain a consistent world view.
It also relates directly to the strategies that one develops as a person in order to "get along".
No, it would not go over well.