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Zimmo No Speako (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 OP
Course not. bunnies Jul 2013 #1
He sure as hell sounds dull . . . . dumb . . . . not sharp. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #4
Totally. bunnies Jul 2013 #9
He was able to speak well with Sean Hannity Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #15
Excellent point. bunnies Jul 2013 #21
In the lead-up to this, it looked like he may have wanted to ... Myrina Jul 2013 #12
I saw that. bunnies Jul 2013 #17
well, poo uppityperson Jul 2013 #2
I wonder how this will look at the end of the trial. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #3
Consider this line of closing argument by the prosecution: Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #8
That would be powerful. reflection Jul 2013 #13
...and that would mean an automatic mistrial AngryAmish Jul 2013 #20
Is there *any* way to remind the jurors of his turn on Hannity? Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #23
Of course. It was admitted into evidence and played for the jury so the Prosecutor can mention it. PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #28
The jury didn't get to see the Hannity crap show. I think it might have been mentioned lumpy Jul 2013 #32
The Prosecution played part of the Hannity-Zimmerman interview in court for the Jury. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #34
Just thinking . . . . Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #27
I don't even understand why this is news. Most defense lawyers razorman Jul 2013 #29
because Zimmerman wanted to go on the stand and his lawyers did not want him to, so they magical thyme Jul 2013 #44
Untrue. Here's his testimony... onehandle Jul 2013 #5
They should play that clip in closing arguments! Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #10
I would like to try to watch the prosecution's closing statement... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #6
I will be so bummed if it is Friday as I will be in class avebury Jul 2013 #14
mediaite.com Myrina Jul 2013 #16
thanks, Myrina hlthe2b Jul 2013 #18
It is scheduled, at this time, to start at 1:00 pm Florida time, with each side being given... Spazito Jul 2013 #37
Thanks, Spazito hlthe2b Jul 2013 #38
You're welcome! n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #41
Dumb question Tree-Hugger Jul 2013 #39
Yes because the State has the burden of proof they get the 'last word'... Spazito Jul 2013 #40
Got it! Thank you! Tree-Hugger Jul 2013 #42
You're welcome! n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #43
Smartest thing the defense could do. He'd have hung himself. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #7
I didn't think he would. HappyMe Jul 2013 #11
He'd have been toast libodem Jul 2013 #22
"Right foot, blue!" HappyMe Jul 2013 #24
He could not have kept it all straight libodem Jul 2013 #30
Oh hell yeah, HappyMe Jul 2013 #31
Exactly!!! libodem Jul 2013 #33
Even if it's not supposed to that speaks volumes to the jury. nt Lex Jul 2013 #19
Let's hope! libodem Jul 2013 #26
hope so, but the damage from him actually speaking would be even worse JI7 Jul 2013 #35
This is the instruction the Jury will be given: onenote Jul 2013 #36
hence "even if it's not supposed to" nt Lex Jul 2013 #45
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool..." KamaAina Jul 2013 #25

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
4. He sure as hell sounds dull . . . . dumb . . . . not sharp.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:42 PM
Jul 2013

He sounded like a dolt when the judge asked him if he was going to testify.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
9. Totally.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jul 2013

Like he's never had a conversation before. Stammering and falling all over himself. Funny, he seemed to articulate just fine about "these assholes always get away". Seems now he's trying to look like a sheepish dolt. Poor baby.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
21. Excellent point.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

Guess he feels Hannity is more worthy of his "truth" than the jury, eh? Interesting.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
12. In the lead-up to this, it looked like he may have wanted to ...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

... and his attorneys gave him the stink-eye and a stern talking to.

I'm sure he would have gone all Caveman on the group & probably been the Prosecution's best witness, which is why his attorneys glued his ass to that chair & made sure he said "No thank ya ma'am" when asked.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
17. I saw that.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jul 2013

Objection! Objection! Objection! I wish he'd been a big boy and stood up to his lawyers. He certainly "stood up" to Trayvon didnt he?

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
8. Consider this line of closing argument by the prosecution:
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jul 2013

"Ladies of the jury, as many of you may know, Mr. Zimmerman saw fit to answer questions on national television when he agreed to an interview by Sean Hannity on Fox News. This same Mr. Zimmerman has not seen fit to give you the same insight."

I'm sure a lawyer can phrase that in a way to make the point very strongly.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
13. That would be powerful.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jul 2013

Good call. I would say that I would want you on the PAs team, but I think that hearing the name "Stinky The Clown" would probably not play well with the jury.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
20. ...and that would mean an automatic mistrial
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

can't use someone's unwillingness to testify against them . 5th amendment and all that whatnot


(the whole case might get tossed if the court thought the state did this on purpose. Prosecutor would probably get professionally sanctioned also)_

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
32. The jury didn't get to see the Hannity crap show. I think it might have been mentioned
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:39 PM
Jul 2013

in the proceeding somewhere along the way to the jury.

Stinky The Clown

(67,818 posts)
27. Just thinking . . . .
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

. . . . the defense has that animation of their version of the events. Maybe the prosecution could use that as a lead-in/segue to remind people that Zummo spoke to Hannity but not to them?

razorman

(1,644 posts)
29. I don't even understand why this is news. Most defense lawyers
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jul 2013

try not to put the defendant on the stand. It seldom works to the advantage of the defense.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
44. because Zimmerman wanted to go on the stand and his lawyers did not want him to, so they
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jul 2013

couldn't give the judge an answer until the last minute while they browbeat Zimmerman into saying "no." Because until the last moment, he wanted to go on. The judge has been asking the question for several days now.

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
6. I would like to try to watch the prosecution's closing statement...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jul 2013

If there is any way someone can give a heads up when that is expected to occur (along with the live stream link), I'd appreciate it.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
16. mediaite.com
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jul 2013

is streaming live, free.

I'm sure we'll get a heads up on the 'official' thread on an approximate time for the Closing.


Spazito

(50,453 posts)
37. It is scheduled, at this time, to start at 1:00 pm Florida time, with each side being given...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jul 2013

3 hours to present their closing arguments. The 3 hours for the State includes any time they use to do a rebuttal closing argument after the defense finishes.

Here's the link I use to stream the trial:

http://www.wptv.com/generic/news/national/George-Zimmerman-trial-complete-coverage

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
39. Dumb question
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jul 2013

So the state makes it's closing argument 1st. The defense goes second, but then the state gets a chance to speak last and make a rebuttal against the defense?

Spazito

(50,453 posts)
40. Yes because the State has the burden of proof they get the 'last word'...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

their rebuttal can only address points made by the defense in their closing arguments. It is State, then defense, then State in rebuttal. They usually take two/thirds of their time allotment to do their closing argument reserving a third for their rebuttal. I am expecting them to use around 2 hours for their closing argument saving the rest for their rebuttal.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
11. I didn't think he would.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

Too bad. It would have been fun to see poor, defenseless Zimmy squirm and fuck himself.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
22. He'd have been toast
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013

Because he made up everything. I'd still like to hear him explain how he reached that hip holster on his left backside, with his right hand, laying on his back with somebody sitting on his chest. Did he reach through Travon's thigh. Even if the alleged holster were on his right buttock Travon's legs were in front of it. No way could Travon have visualized it behind his thigh nor could Zimmerman, have reached around to get a grip on it.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
30. He could not have kept it all straight
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jul 2013

He has made up the whole story. Start to finish. It is all fishy and contrived.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
31. Oh hell yeah,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:39 PM
Jul 2013

he would have cracked under the pressure.
He's got quite the tangled web of lies, that skeevy spider would have caught himself in.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
26. Let's hope!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jul 2013

Chickenshits. Makes me sick. They have taken so much from Travon and his entire family. Right down to attempting to commandeer his final screams of terror from him. They took everything from his life to his own screams. They even want to slander his reputation, after death, to make it appear he deserved his fate.

Reprehensible.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
35. hope so, but the damage from him actually speaking would be even worse
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jul 2013

so the defense is going with what is best for them.

onenote

(42,759 posts)
36. This is the instruction the Jury will be given:
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jul 2013

Florida Standard Criminal Jury Instructions:

3.9(d) DEFENDANT NOT TESTIFYING

Give either paragraph, or both, if defendant requests.

The constitution requires the State to prove its accusations against the defendant. It is not necessary for the defendant to disprove anything. Nor is the defendant required to prove [his] [her] innocence. It is up to the State to prove the defendant's guilt by evidence.

The defendant exercised a fundamental right by choosing not to be a witness in this case. You must not view this as an admission of guilt or be influenced in any way by [his] [her] decision. No juror should ever be concerned that the defendant did or did not take the witness stand to give testimony in the case.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
25. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool..."
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jul 2013

...than to speak out and remove all doubt. -Abraham Lincoln

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