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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:35 PM Jul 2013

South American bloc repudiates U.S. on spying, Snowden

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)


Official photo of Mercosur Leaders who just met at Montevideo


South American bloc repudiates U.S. on spying, Snowden

By Malena Castaldi

MONTEVIDEO | Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:57pm EDT

(Reuters) - South American leaders sent a tough message to Washington on Friday over allegations of U.S. spying in the region and to defend their right to offer asylum to fugitive U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Washington wants Snowden arrested on espionage charges after he divulged extensive, secret U.S. surveillance programs. Stuck in the transit area of Moscow's international airport since late June, he is seeking asylum in various countries.

Capping two weeks of strained North-South relations over the Snowden saga, presidents from the Mercosur bloc of nations met in Montevideo, Uruguay. Complaints against the United States were high on the agenda, as Washington warned the international community not to help the 30-year-old computer whiz get away.

"We repudiate any action aimed at undermining the authority of countries to grant and fully implement the right of asylum," Mercosur said in a statement at the close of Friday's summit.

"We emphatically reject the interception of telecommunications and espionage activities in our countries, as they are a violation of human rights and citizens' right to privacy and information," it said.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/12/us-usa-security-snowden-latinamerica-idUSBRE96B0TP20130712

A few quotes from the article:

"This is the world we live in; a world with new forms of colonialism. It is more subtle than it was two centuries ago, when they came with armies to take our silver and gold." - Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, in her closing remarks

"Any act of espionage that violates human rights, above all the basic right to privacy, and undermines the sovereignty of nations, deserves to be condemned by any country that calls itself democratic." - Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff

Bricio Segovia ?@briciosegovia 43m

Evo #Morales calls at #Mercosur for an int'l lawsuit against the #USA for int'l #espionage. It should be filed in a US court, he said.

Bricio Segovia ?@briciosegovia 53m

Evo #Morales at #Mercosur: some countries are spying on us. They are planning to steal our natural resources to solve their financial crisis

Verdades Venezuela ?@VerdadesVE 1m

Mercosur (countries) summoning European Ambassadors for the Evo Morales (plane) incident
El Mercosur llama a consultas a sus embajadores en Europa por caso Morales: Los países del Mercosur acordaron hoy ... http://bit.ly/15BmQRx


"the decision was taken by the Presidents of Argentina, Cristina Fernández; Brasil, Dilma Rousseff; Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro; and Uruguay, José Mujica, "

They also made a very strong statement against the Trans Pacific Trade Partnership but I need to find it to translate it.

Ecuador joining Mercosur and Paraguay's suspension lifting.

Mexico, Costa Rica, Chile... demanding explanations for the spying.

What a god-awful mess.

Just apologize, forget about Snowden and start getting it over with.

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South American bloc repudiates U.S. on spying, Snowden (Original Post) Catherina Jul 2013 OP
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #1
Mercosur rejects espionage. Argentina to submit the matter to UN Security Council. #FREEWARE Catherina Jul 2013 #2
Another item: Coordinate to eliminate US bases in Latin America Catherina Jul 2013 #3
And that would be a great thing. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #4
Gee, 'nother prediction of mine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #13
S. American states to recall ambassadors from Europe over Bolivian plane incident Catherina Jul 2013 #5
Good. Fk the people who treated morales and latin america like that... allin99 Jul 2013 #6
Closed their airspace too. Right after France Catherina Jul 2013 #8
i see the article report that italy closed off airspace... allin99 Jul 2013 #17
the plane was blocked shortly before reaching French airspace temmer Jul 2013 #18
look like poodles indeed. so embarrassing. allin99 Jul 2013 #19
My...didn't I make *that* prediction? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #10
You did but it was drowned out by very loud ostriches. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #12
The kitty is gonna get skinned. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #14
So Brazil is on board temmer Jul 2013 #15
Anybody want to buy a used Monroe Doctrine? Freedom can start now if they byeya Jul 2013 #7
So this is what it's like GliderGuider Jul 2013 #9
Ah yes - when the FFM comes in contact with the RVD. Nice one. byeya Jul 2013 #11
I just want my country to wake up. It's still not too late. Catherina Jul 2013 #16

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. Mercosur rejects espionage. Argentina to submit the matter to UN Security Council. #FREEWARE
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013
Ricardo Patiño Aroca ?@RicardoPatinoEC 10m

Mercosur rejects espionage by the United States and calls on Argentina to submit the matter to the Security Council of the UN


Renata Avila ?@avilarenata

#MERCOSUR Presidents embracing #FREESOFTWARE in its resolution against NSA spying http://www.presidencia.gub.uy/comunicacion/comunicacionnoticias/declaracion-final-mercosur- … (.45)

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. Another item: Coordinate to eliminate US bases in Latin America
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

Agenda para un Mercosur renovado:cancelar negociaciones por TLC con la U. Europea y coordinar acciones para eliminar las bases de EEUU en AL

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. S. American states to recall ambassadors from Europe over Bolivian plane incident
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jul 2013
S. American states to recall ambassadors from Europe over Bolivian plane incident

Published time: July 12, 2013 19:55
Edited time: July 12, 2013 21:02


Presidents Evo Morales of Bolivia, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner of Argentina, Jose Mujica of Uruguay, Dilma Rousseff of Brazil and Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela pose for the official picture of the XLV Mercosur Summit, at the Mercosur headquarters in Montevideo on July 12, 2013.(AFP Photo / Miguel Rojo)


South American countries belonging to the Mercosur trade bloc have decided to withdraw their ambassadors for consultations from European countries involved in the grounding of the Bolivian president’s plane.

"We've taken a number of actions in order to compel public explanations and apologies from the European nations that assaulted our brother Evo Morales," explained Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro, who revealed some of the agenda debated during the 45th summit of Mercosur countries in Uruguay's capital, Montevideo.

The decision to recall European ambassadors was taken by Venezuela’s head of state, Nicolas Maduro, Argentina’s President Cristina Fernandez, Brazilian President Dilma Rouseff, and Uruguay’s President, Jose Mujica, during the meeting.

...

“The gravity of the incident - indicative of a neocolonial mindset - constitutes an unfriendly and hostile act, which violates human rights and impedes freedom of travel, as well as the treatment and immunity appropriate to a head of state,” the Mercosur nations affirmed in the joint statement.

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http://rt.com/news/mercosur-countries-ambassadors-europe-030/

allin99

(894 posts)
6. Good. Fk the people who treated morales and latin america like that...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jul 2013

just makes me wanna

but just one question, what did Italy do? i didn't hear the charge.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
8. Closed their airspace too. Right after France
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jul 2013
The presidential plane carrying Morales was prohibited in midair from entering French airspace and had to make an emergency landing in Vienna because it was running out of fuel. Italy and Portugal also closed off their airspace after Spain received a tip-off that Morales was bringing home wanted former US National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, who is trying to seek asylum in a South American nation.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/09/inenglish/1373381056_613352.html


Not your fault. The US media did a lousy, lousy, unacceptable job of reporting this story.

allin99

(894 posts)
17. i see the article report that italy closed off airspace...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jul 2013

but haven't seen anything indicated it actually happened. I know france for sure did, spain admitted, the FM of spain calls out Portugual, but i haven't heard anything about italy other than "italy closed airspace".

i mean morales was proven right about the others even after they all said "we didn't"... so no reason not to trust him on italy, but i still like to see something.

 

temmer

(358 posts)
18. the plane was blocked shortly before reaching French airspace
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jul 2013

that's what the Austrian president says, and he has it from Morales.

Austria and France have no common border. So either the plane was already over Italy and "thrown out", whatever that means,

or - more probably - it was over Switzerland, right on top of the Alps. The entry to France was denied, and Italy followed so this was no alternative and the plane had to turn around.

Italy was always reluctant to apologize, behaving like Spain rather than France.

These countries look really bad now. Like poodles.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. The kitty is gonna get skinned.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jul 2013

Won't be pretty.

We are well on the way to a trade war and us isolation

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
7. Anybody want to buy a used Monroe Doctrine? Freedom can start now if they
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

want it.
I think it's a heartening development.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
9. So this is what it's like
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jul 2013

When the flying fecal matter hits the rotary ventilating device.

It's about f'ing time! God I love it!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
16. I just want my country to wake up. It's still not too late.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jul 2013

It's much harder than it would have been last week but it's still not too late.

I don't see it happening though. They're too obsessed to think wisely, totally tone deaf too.

All those MBA's who majored in International Relations aren't much help. Common sense is what they need instead.

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