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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThat picture of Trayvon Martin laying dead in the grass
A lot of people have strong opinions that the picture should not have been shown to the general public.
I will say up front that I have believed from the start that this case was racially motivated. That George Zimmerman saw a black kid walking through his neighborhood, and that was the only "crime" in Zimmerman's mind and eyes that ever prompted him to stalk, confront, and then murder Martin. However, I do realize that many people here on DU and many people elsewhere all over the world hold a different view. They believe that Zimmerman was attacked by this young boy, and that Zimmerman, while fearing for his life, had no choice but to pull out his gun and shoot Martin. I know one of those people well. He just called me and told me that he had supported the defense of Zimmerman. He said he was with Zimmerman all the way, until he saw that pic of Trayvon. After seeing the pic he has changed his mind. I believe that for some of those jurors they may have equally been ready to acquit Zimmerman, but perhaps after seeing those pictures of Martin they too may have changed their positions. Sometimes one picture can have that kind of impact. So in that regard I am glad that the jury got to see that picture, and also anyone else that may have been swayed by the Zimmerman's defense. That picture shows that Trayvon was murdered, plain and simple. It shows that this innocent kid could not have done what Zimmerman claims, and that should be an outcry for justice.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I must have missed hearing about that.
Spazito
(50,477 posts)Both the State and the defense enter exhibits such as photos which are not used during testimony but to which the jury will have access to during their deliberations if they request to see them.
npk
(3,660 posts)This picture was shown in the court on a projection screen.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Jurors see photos of Trayvon Martins body
premium
(3,731 posts)but, I'll take your word for it.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman trial walked jurors through several pieces of evidence on Tuesday, including photos of Trayvon Martin's dead body.
premium
(3,731 posts)That's probably why I missed it.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
premium
(3,731 posts)It would be for emotional use only.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And they did show the picture along with others.
premium
(3,731 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)questions.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)The fact that his mouth is open & there is congestion in his nose highly suggests that Trayvon was screaming for his life that evening.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)don't bother...
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Zimmerman's claim of a fight-to-the-death. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, bashing his head into the concrete, how is it that his light-colored pants are so pristine? No way was this boy involved in a violent fight on the ground, in the rain.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)that may put the acquittal in jeopardy.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)OMG!!!
aristocles
(594 posts)Blackford
(289 posts)There is clearly no blood on Martin's hands and there is clearly no grass stains on his clothes, thus Zimmerman's account of a struggle in the grass and a pounding pf his head multiple times fails the test of the physical evidence. The prosecution brought this up in the closing arguments.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I can't bring myself to look at it but someone on another thread said there's no grass or stains on Martin's knees so how could he have been in top of Z, beating him & "bashing his head to the pavement"...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The image is bad enough, but I also read that when the police arrived they kept shouting for Trayvon to show his hands. The whole thing makes me sick.
Rex
(65,616 posts)This must be Bizarro DU. I could swear a bullet and somebodies gun kinda proves how he died.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)I don't see why seeing it would change someone's mind. I didn't change any evidence...except to show he's dead and I think everyone already knew that.
alfredo
(60,077 posts)not spread out. Trayvon's hands were on his wound. That is important for adding weight to the state's argument that Zim is lying.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)in a violent fight on the ground in the rain, or that he had been on top of Zimmerman. Look at those pants! There's no way they were in the kind of fight Zimmerman described.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I think that the defense team did an adequate job of instilling "reasonable doubt." Because our criminal system is and should remain based on this high standard I believe that Zimmerman should be found innocent. The jury should not be swayed by emotion but they probably will be to some extent.
Yes, that Zimmerman did what he did sucks but we need to change the laws concerning guns in Florida.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Tell that to his mom... Zimmerman against the dispatchers orders followed Martin until the kid realized he was being followed..How the hell can you ignore that!!
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)whenever pictures of the body were shown. The jury saw pictures from the scene and autopsy pictures.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I firmly believe this was racism and I wasn't talking to his mom. I was talking to my fellow DU posters.
This place has become less and less friendly in the last few years.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)because there was no "evidence" presented that confirmed zimmerman's version of events.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)So the prosecution has to prove guilt.
7962
(11,841 posts)Some of the vitriol here is awful. And not just on this thread. Downright hatred many times. I wonder how some go through their lives with any happiness when I read some comments.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Most DUers are probably kind, delightful people if you meet them in person and work with them.
That is why DU is a good place, especially good for people who need a place to just express themselves without repression or criticism.
So, I think we should relax a bit.
Years after the OJ trial, people were angry in LA that he had gotten off. But criminals tend to repeat their crimes. If Zimmerman does go free, he will face a huge test to stay free. His record is one of physical violence, and this act was kind of a peak in that violence.
DUers are not violent types in my opinion. There is virtually no violent expression here. Frustration yes. But not violent expression. And if a violent remark is made, it is cleaned off the website so that the general tenor is one of discussion, sometimes vigorous, but not violent or out of control.
The Zimmerman trial, regardless how it turns out, will set off a firestorm of frustration. So did the OJ trial. And so did a number of other trials. Perfect justice is impossible to achieve.
MH1
(17,600 posts)on the spot by George Zimmerman, eh?
pasto76
(1,589 posts)you should really think about that word, innocent, and zimmerman. They are polar opposites.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And if someone should have been found guilty and wasn't, it is very difficult for them to live their life without getting into trouble again. There are exceptions, but the people who do it were either clearly falsely accused (the DNA cases, for example) or struggle with themselves. I'm sure it is not easy.
If a person gets into trouble, is somehow charged in a criminal case involving violence or theft, drugs or alcohol or the use of a weapon and is not convicted, that person should try to get help. May work. May not. But the best thing is to get help of some kind.
Even being charged is a difficult burden. Even being involved in a civil lawsuit can be a nightmare. It depends on the case, but it is not nearly as easy as some think.
femmedem
(8,207 posts)Your friend or acquaintance had probably formed an image of him dressed in whatever he thinks a gang member wears.
It sounds like he was unconsciously racist and thought of Trayvon as a dangerous thug until the photo helped him see Trayvon as a kid. I can at least give him kudos for being flexible enough to change his mind, and big enough to admit it.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)who was just involved in a fight to the death? No way.
femmedem
(8,207 posts)John2
(2,730 posts)with the picture. Trayvon looks like a kid and you can also see how slim he is compared to Zimmerman's size. He doesn't even look like he was in a fight, even in a fight against a person who fought for his life. It is hard to see this slim kid beating Zimmerman to death much less manhandling him. What Zimmerman's trainer claims about Trayvon's physical stature to Zimmerman doesn't fit. You can easily see how Zimmerman manhandles and pushed this kid down, or even held Trayvon in place, just from seeing how slim he looked. Trayvon looked like a kid and not this physical speciman. That is the problem seeing an actual photo of him.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)of muscle development, and 40 or 50 pounds heavier.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I'm trying to wrap my head around a guy trained in martial arts uses a gun when he has the ability to take down, an untrained kid.
matt819
(10,749 posts)So, a dead Trayvon Martin in the abstract is okay, a black kid justifiably killed by a white George Zimmerman.
But, a picture of a dead Trayvon Martin stirs, what, some sort of compassion? An alternate world view?
That your friend lacks the capacity to understand Martin's death without a photo documenting it is disgusting. I don't know your friend's political views, but I would suggest that those on the the other side of the aisle are pathologically incapable of appreciating other people's problems without the visual reference (and even then they just don't care, so it probably wouldn't make a difference).
Skittles
(153,193 posts)preppy clothes, gang clothes, dressed in drag - he wasn't doing anything wrong
matt819
(10,749 posts)is that a picture of a dead kid, whatever he's wearing, whatever he looks like, whatever his color, should not be necessary to draw some compassion for an unexpected, tragic, and utterly preventable death.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)girl who was burned running down naked .
look at sandy hook and how the early support for gun control started to go away a bit with time. i wonder if people actually saw the pics of the kids shot would make a difference.
there are people for who images make it more real to them.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Look at this thread.