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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:46 PM Jul 2013

@AP: BREAKING: Jury in Zimmerman murder trial has a question for judge; they want an index of all ev

@AP: BREAKING: Jury in Zimmerman murder trial has a question for judge; they want an index of all evidence. -MM

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@AP: BREAKING: Jury in Zimmerman murder trial has a question for judge; they want an index of all ev (Original Post) Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP
Can make sense dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1
Maybe some were sleeping during certain parts of the trial. Hard to keep your eyes open, hearing demosincebirth Jul 2013 #2
Most likely to refer to their notes Blackford Jul 2013 #3
Jurors get to take notes?? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #4
The judge said they can not rely on their notes. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #5
So they can write notes, they just can't read them??? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #7
Not During Deliberations... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #9
This is what judge instructed re notes: ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #10
This part goes along with what I thought they could do: kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #13
not new at all TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #12
This "trial' will go on for months. It's a TV production now. AlinPA Jul 2013 #6
In a way I'm sort of suprised they weren't supplied with it without asking. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #8
In the instructions, the judge said ctaylors6 Jul 2013 #11
This makes sense GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #14
that makes sense TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #15

demosincebirth

(12,543 posts)
2. Maybe some were sleeping during certain parts of the trial. Hard to keep your eyes open, hearing
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:23 PM - Edit history (1)

never ending, repetitious testimony.

 

Blackford

(289 posts)
3. Most likely to refer to their notes
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jul 2013

When an item is entered into evidence, it is given an exhibit designation and jurors most likely wrote that designation in their notes.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
4. Jurors get to take notes??
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jul 2013

Is this new? I thought they just had to sit and listen and rely on their memories, and ask for testimony to be reread if they forgot something.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
5. The judge said they can not rely on their notes.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

When they think they need their notes, they need to ask for the record instead, said the judge.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
9. Not During Deliberations...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jul 2013

...they could keep notes during the trial to refresh themselves at night or even before deliberations but when they're sitting at that table with the other jurors no notes are allowed. The judge did reference they could take their notes back to the jury room during the instructions. IRC in some trials the judge has the right to confiscate the notes and seal those as part of the case evidence.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
10. This is what judge instructed re notes:
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jul 2013

Notes

During this trial, I have permitted you to take notes. You will be allowed to take those notes into the jury room during deliberations. You are instructed that your notes are a tool to aid your individual memory. You should not compare your notes with those of other jurors in determining the content of any testimony or in evaluating the importance of any evidence. Notes are for the note taker's personal use in refreshing his or her recollection of the evidence. They are not evidence. Above all, your memory should be your greatest asset in your recollection of the evidence.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
13. This part goes along with what I thought they could do:
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

".....Notes are for the note taker's personal use in refreshing his or her recollection of the evidence....."

They CAN use/read their own notes to jog individual memories. As it should be.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
12. not new at all
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:42 PM
Jul 2013

Nobody can be expected to keep everything in their head. Their own notes are important since they likely won't have the actual exhibits afforded to them in deliberations. The note taking is a good way to know if jurors are really paying attention, too. Though they can ask for certain testimony to be read back for clarification of a point that may not always be granted by the judge, and it's time consuming. If they couldn't take notes everyone would end up back in court having things clarified constantly. Cases with a lot of evidence especially those that are technical and outside the basic knowledge of the layperson jurors would have pages and pages of notes just for understanding technicalities alone.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
8. In a way I'm sort of suprised they weren't supplied with it without asking.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jul 2013

Without an index of the evidence how would they know what to ask for if they feel the need to revisit something submitted during the trial?

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
11. In the instructions, the judge said
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:42 PM
Jul 2013

the exhibits were going to into the jury room: "During the trial, items were received into evidence as exhibits. You may examine whatever exhibits you think will help you in your deliberations. These exhibits will be sent into the jury room with you when you begin to deliberate."

So there must not have been any sort of index for the exhibits. I didn't watch the trial, so I don't know how many exhibits there were. I'm assuming enough that an index would be helpful.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
15. that makes sense
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jul 2013

If the jury gets to have all the exhibits during the deliberations then I can certainly see why they would want an index of them to keep them all straight. Seems to me they should have gotten an index with them to begin with. There's lots and lots of exhibits in this case.

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