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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:52 PM Jul 2013

"We’re forcing a new conversation that’s not liberal vs. conservative, but what’s moral and immoral"

Moral Mondays: 700 Arrested in North Carolina Civil Disobedience Campaign Against GOP Lawmakers

Moral Mondays is not a spontaneous piece. It grows out of eight years of organizing with the Historic Thousands on Jones Street People’s Assembly Coalition. Groups like Planned Parenthood and others have been involved all along, because we know that in the South what changes the dynamics is fusion politics, and we understand the interconnectedness of our issues.

And what we’ve been seeing since January in this Legislature is that to cut 500,000 people from Medicaid and from—Medicaid—disabled children—is immoral, it’s extreme, and it’s bad policy. To deny 170,000 people unemployment, who lost their jobs with no fault of their own, is extreme, it’s immoral, and it’s bad policy. To attack the poor by undoing the earned income tax credit, that even Ronald Reagan said was good—900,000 people, so that you can give 23 families, wealthy families, a tax cut—is immoral, extreme and bad policy. To attack women’s rights, to attack voting rights, to try to engage in voter suppression, to undermine public education—all of these are part of what this extreme Legislature—I don’t even call them Republican, Democrat—but extreme Legislature is doing. We believe it’s immoral.

And we’re forcing a new conversation in the public arena that’s not Republican and Democrat, that’s not liberal versus conservative, but really is talking about what’s moral and immoral, what’s extreme and what’s bad policy. We say it like this: It’s constitutionally inconsistent, it’s morally indefensible, and it’s economically insane, what they’re doing.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/12/moral_mondays_700_arrested_in_north

Transcript at the link. Please read it if you have time.


For weeks, thousands of people have been gathering at the North Carolina State Legislative Building for the weekly "Moral Monday" protest called by the NAACP to protest the agenda of the Republican-led state Legislature. Over the past 10 Mondays, 700 people have been arrested, including the Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP. "If you want to change the nation, you have to change the South," Barber says. "If you want to change the South, you have to change the state capitals, and we believe that this extreme ideological group understands that their narrow minded agenda doesn't have much longer in the public arena."


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"We’re forcing a new conversation that’s not liberal vs. conservative, but what’s moral and immoral" (Original Post) Catherina Jul 2013 OP
YES. That's what I'm talkin about. Triana Jul 2013 #1
We need more like him! I was literally clapping n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #2
yes we do need more like him questionseverything Jul 2013 #31
It is cruel as well as being immoral DearAbby Jul 2013 #3
IMO, these are some sick psychopaths. Triana Jul 2013 #4
Happy to see those *racists* at Democracy Now!... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #5
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #6
K&R! I have been focusing my (puny) efforts to have COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR). Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #7
Thank you dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #32
Isn't it lovely chervilant Jul 2013 #8
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #9
There you go... ReRe Jul 2013 #10
Is "inhumane" a better word for it? ErikJ Jul 2013 #11
How about ethical versus unethical. enlightenment Jul 2013 #27
What they fear most is unity. zeemike Jul 2013 #12
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #13
Awesome Video DeSwiss..... Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #21
De nada. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #34
--- marions ghost Jul 2013 #14
I like it! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #15
Thank you Moral Monday protesters!!! Scuba Jul 2013 #16
Warren 2016 marions ghost Jul 2013 #19
It's not Democrat or Republican. It's 1% vs. 99%, but we can't seem to stop merrily Jul 2013 #17
Count me in as one of the informed. truedelphi Jul 2013 #35
The GOPee Gestapho in NC, as they are in WI & Other States. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #18
No truer or better words have been spoken Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #20
Dr King was onethatcares Jul 2013 #28
I concur! Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #29
Current day Republicans, baggers and conservatives are immoral, period. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #22
K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #23
That was worth the time to watch. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #24
Very powerful, very effective activism. MineralMan Jul 2013 #25
Good stuff there Nevernose Jul 2013 #26
Beautiful. :) BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #30
K&R! felix_numinous Jul 2013 #33
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
1. YES. That's what I'm talkin about.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jul 2013

This is why I like this Rev. Barber. He knows where the bull shit in the buckwheat and calls the dirtbags on it.

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
31. yes we do need more like him
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

i am fairly new to du and i have a question

this OP http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023232440 has 120 recs,this one has 111 but this one shows on my greatest page and the first seems to not be on the list anywhr

can any1 explain that to me?

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
4. IMO, these are some sick psychopaths.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jul 2013

Seriously. Mostly wealthy and completely out of touch with the common citizen, but backed by Koch's AFP, ALEC, and other wealthy factions, they (think they) are forcing the rest of us to silently take a back seat while extreme and damaging policies are imposed that primarily benefit them at everyone else's expense.

People need to sit in the FRONT of the bus and get NOISY and disobedient if necessary. What they're doing simply can't stand.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
7. K&R! I have been focusing my (puny) efforts to have COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR).
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jul 2013

I think it is a common issue, many Republicans think when Democrats win it is rigged, Democrats vica-versa. We all know that the politicians do what their biggest contributors want, why not protest for publicly funded elections and outlaw campaign contributions? This would mean that when 90% of us want background checks for assault weapons it would pass easily instead of dying a slow death like it did.
I think Moral Mondays is a good way to start the discussion. I hope they will look for the root of the problem, which is the almost total corruption of our political system. The solution is to fight like hell for CCFR. Patriotic Americans should be part of this movement since what is going on now is unconstitutional and criminal!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
32. Thank you
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jul 2013

for putting the focus on the right point. These Moral Mondays are awesome, great to see the people standing up for their needs.

The real fix to all of this is CCFR, which is also where I focus my own puny efforts.

Here's a thought, what chance do we have of succeeding in getting the money out of politics? Serious question. I wouldn't ask anyone to quit focusing on their particular issues, even though CCFR is the fix to enable all fixes, because I can't say for sure that we'll ever get CCFR. I know that's not an option, we absolutely have to find a way to get it done, but you can bet it will be one of the greatest struggles ever against the monied elite. They won't let it happen without putting up fierce resistance.

I've been somewhat involved with Move To Amend, went to one of their "convergences", which honestly was mostly a waste of a weekend. I'll keep fighting on this issue somehow, whether through them or through someone else. But so far I don't see enough momentum building up, the populace is kept distracted from the real issues, fighting against each other left and right, and the ubiquitous "free market" arguments rot the brains of most of those glued to their TV.

So I don't know if I see it getting done. Which is tragic. And that's why I thank you here, we desperately need to amplify this struggle, not just from the progressive left (which is Move To Amend's focus, and my own ideological home) but from the ground up including everybody. The south would be a good test for this, getting the Fox viewers to join this struggle won't be easy but will be necessary. edit to add: The redefining of our struggles from left-right to moral-immoral is a great attempt to do just that, and I hope it helps, seems like a great approach.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
8. Isn't it lovely
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:04 PM
Jul 2013

they can spend so much money to arrest these peaceful protesters, but they can't feed our children, the poor, and the elderly...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
10. There you go...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:43 PM
Jul 2013

The issue we face is morality v immorality. Right v wrong.

Start changing the morality in the Capitals> Continue on to change the morality in the South> and you will eventually change the morality in the Nation!

Sounds like a plan.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
11. Is "inhumane" a better word for it?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

Since they think they are the moral party for supporting the Bible stuff of abortion and gay marriage etc.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
27. How about ethical versus unethical.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013

"Moral" has a religious connotation that makes it open to interpretation depending on what faith one holds.

My granny used to say that she had no morals, because morals are something someone tells you that you should have. Ethics are things that you decide you need to hold.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. What they fear most is unity.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

As long as they can keep us divided up with our own special interest they can deal with it....but united they have a problem.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
21. Awesome Video DeSwiss.....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

I think I have heard of Bill Hicks not sure? But I like

RIP George Carlin, my generation.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
34. De nada.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jul 2013

George is from our generation and Bill came a little after and didn't stay long.

- But I think both were cut from the same piece of cloth, they just have different designs....

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. Count me in as one of the informed.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013

We have witnessed forty years of government by actual Republicans and the Republican Lite, and this combo has entrenched the nation in endless wars, including the Coming War on Ourselves to help the One Percent secure the profits off those Surveillance State Monies.

Over the last five years, we have set in motion the perpetual "Too Big To Fail, and Too Big To Jail," crowd. Geithner remains a free man despite his immoral and quasi legal legal maneuvering of the financial players during the Autumn 2008 Bailout Swindle. (He has also lied to Congress, a felony, and one that should have had him impeached from being head of the US Treasury. But now I guess, doesn't every official lie to Congress?) It is becoming the "New Normal.&quot

Meanwhile the poor sap who put forth countless hours of effort on the behalf of sick people in Calif.'s Central Valley is starting out his prison sentence of ten years, as Obama's DOJ goes after the medical marijuana providers and yet avoids prosecuting the executives at banks that launder the violent cartel monies.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
20. No truer or better words have been spoken
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jul 2013

" It’s constitutionally inconsistent, it’s morally indefensible, and it’s economically insane, what they’re doing."

Those words rank right up there with these spoken by the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.....

"Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'"

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."


onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
28. Dr King was
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

changing to the Human Rights struggle when he was murdered. The ptbs understood this, they couldn't afford to have
unity in the masses, so they cut him down.

Fight the good fight.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
33. K&R!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jul 2013

Human rights is not a partisan issue! I've written that countless times here.

To rob people of all their dignity and humanity is evidence they have given up theirs.

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