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Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:37 PM Jul 2013

How about Dean/Grayson with Warren as Treasury Secretary.

Well if we are throwing it out there...

No the more I think of it I would rather Warren as VP.

So my new ticket is.
Dean/Warren
Bernie Sanders for Treasury
Grason for AG

Please help me build the whole cabinet.

Who for ED.
Who for Defense
Who for Transportation
ect . . .

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How about Dean/Grayson with Warren as Treasury Secretary. (Original Post) Drew Richards Jul 2013 OP
I like Dean, I like Grayson, but it is waaaaaay past time to have one of our formidable female hlthe2b Jul 2013 #1
So we should vote for someone just because they are female? Ain't that a little sexist? davidn3600 Jul 2013 #6
No.. as I said, there is NO ONE male or female more qualified than Hillary Clinton and better hlthe2b Jul 2013 #9
Hillary is the most QUALIFIED candidate. Calling her the "best candidate" is just your opinion. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #10
That she is (in your opinion as well) "MOST qualified" and yet you hlthe2b Jul 2013 #14
well, corporations adore her. cali Jul 2013 #25
Many of us WILL NOT vote for another Clinton... 99Forever Jul 2013 #15
I note you didn't bother to mention Warren...who was also discussed. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #17
Warren is not a Turd Way DINO. 99Forever Jul 2013 #18
I am interested why you left out Warren when she was specifically discussed in the post hlthe2b Jul 2013 #19
It WASN'T... 99Forever Jul 2013 #20
Who said it does? hlthe2b Jul 2013 #22
Strawman much? n/t 99Forever Jul 2013 #23
How about Dean/Warren with Grayson as AG DJ13 Jul 2013 #2
I like that too Drew Richards Jul 2013 #3
Why are we afraid to let a woman take the top of the ticket? CTyankee Jul 2013 #16
That works for me as well DJ13 Jul 2013 #31
My dream ticket is Dean/ Schweitzer grasswire Jul 2013 #4
I'd rather see Dean/Warren hootinholler Jul 2013 #5
I think that Howard Dean would be the first to tell you NoPasaran Jul 2013 #7
I would support this 100% on point Jul 2013 #8
Warren needs to be more than just VP. A VP's job is rather narrow unless you're Cheney. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #11
Obama ran as the great Progressive mick063 Jul 2013 #12
I agree with you. I will be using voting records to make my decision next time. I don't give a flip liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #13
The only "great Progressive" running at that time was Dennis Kucinich. DCBob Jul 2013 #26
Actually Obama ran as mzteris Jul 2013 #28
I don't know if you are attempting to qualify his presidency or not. mick063 Jul 2013 #29
Just replying with my PPOV mzteris Jul 2013 #30
agreed... many people seem to have forgoten this.. DCBob Jul 2013 #32
Warren/Grayson, if you are going to go there. bemildred Jul 2013 #21
Grayson will never be on any national Democratic ticket. Blackford Jul 2013 #24
How about WARREN for President? mzteris Jul 2013 #27

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
1. I like Dean, I like Grayson, but it is waaaaaay past time to have one of our formidable female
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jul 2013

candidates take the top spot. Hillary Clinton is well positioned to bring a woman for the first time to that top office... Certainly, I like Warren as well, but I'd be hard pressed to imagine a better qualified candidate than HRC if she decides to run.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
6. So we should vote for someone just because they are female? Ain't that a little sexist?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jul 2013

What if a candidate is running in the primaries that is more in line with my beliefs, but that candidate happens to be male. Am I supposed to toss him aside just to get a female on the top of the ticket?

If Hillary can only win if we discriminate against men...is that really a win for women?

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
9. No.. as I said, there is NO ONE male or female more qualified than Hillary Clinton and better
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jul 2013

positioned. But, that you push that meme tells everything I need to know about YOU. Warren likewise is every bit as qualified, but Hillary's experience is broader and she is a far better candidate at this particular time.

When a female is THE BEST candidate--and in the case of HRC even the most misogynistic of the Dem pundits and strategists agree that she is, it says legions that you don't want to consider THEM. Uggh.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
10. Hillary is the most QUALIFIED candidate. Calling her the "best candidate" is just your opinion.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:30 AM
Jul 2013

I'll have to see who is running in the primary. Right now I think it is quite likely someone is going to run that is more in line to my beliefs than Hillary. And that's the person I'm voting for.

Hillary is more status quo, in my opinion. She wont do anything about the surveillance state. Banks will continue to get away with murder. Wall Street will be taken care of. Foreign policy will remain unchanged. Business as usual. Hillary is not going to change anything. She's been a Washington insider for years.

Yes, she is the most qualified....and that's my problem with her. We don't need more status quo.

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
14. That she is (in your opinion as well) "MOST qualified" and yet you
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:41 AM
Jul 2013

make that horribly sexist accusation in your earlier post, makes me not wish to discuss further, even though I am perfectly fine with you making a cogent counter argument why someone else would make a better candidate. You owe me an apology for your ugly earlier comment.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. well, corporations adore her.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jul 2013

heck, she helped write the TPP which is an incredible corporate give away.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. Many of us WILL NOT vote for another Clinton...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:53 AM
Jul 2013

... or any other Turd Way DINO ever again, regardless of their plumbing.

If you want our votes, run a progressive candidate, period.

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
17. I note you didn't bother to mention Warren...who was also discussed.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:56 AM
Jul 2013

Interesting and revealing omission. Not really all about the Clintons?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Warren is not a Turd Way DINO.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:58 AM
Jul 2013

Why would I need to mention her? I'd vote for her without reservation.

What's your biggest problem, anyway? Lookin' for a pissin' match?

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
19. I am interested why you left out Warren when she was specifically discussed in the post
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:00 AM
Jul 2013

and which was met with a very ugly response by the other poster, who seems to have real issues with female candidates. I appreciate your clarifying that it was mere oversight.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. It WASN'T...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:09 AM
Jul 2013

... "an oversight." I couldn't care any less about the gender of a potential office seeker. I DO care about the kinds of policies they support. HRC's sorts of policies are more of the corporate, 1%er, Wall Street, surveillance/police/authoritarian state crap we already are being beat down by. The fact she has a vagina instead of a penis, is irrelevant and doesn't magically make her electable.

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
22. Who said it does?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jul 2013

"The fact she has a vagina instead of a penis, is irrelevant and doesn't magically make her electable. "

No one said it does. We should be open to electing a supremely qualified female President, just as we should have been open to electing an African American. We have two women who are very well qualified and to discount them out of hand, as in the case of the other poster is the problem. You argue based on differing politics with Clinton and that is fine. That is not the issue. But, that comment you made that suggests those who support either Clinton or Warren, merely "because they have a vagina" is not only ugly, but damned wrong.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. Why are we afraid to let a woman take the top of the ticket?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:53 AM
Jul 2013

I like Dean but I think we need a woman president. Geez, emerging democracies all over the world have had top women leaders, but not the good ole USA. We are BEHIND the times, folks!

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
31. That works for me as well
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

I only put Dean on top due to his prior Presidential run.

I figured experience should count for something.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. My dream ticket is Dean/ Schweitzer
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jul 2013

Grayson as AG would be good, Warren as Sec Treas would be good.

And I would LUV to see Ambassador Joe Wilson as Sec State.

May it be so.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
5. I'd rather see Dean/Warren
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jul 2013

I would put Grayson at Defense, let him rumble around the pentagon a while and watch heads explode.

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
7. I think that Howard Dean would be the first to tell you
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jul 2013

He's not as progressive as many people think he is. And I say this as someone who supported him in 2004 and rode that roller coaster all the way until it had smashed into itsy bitsy smoking bit on the ground.

I think Howard Dean's great strength was to speak his mind and treat his listeners as adults, telling them what he thought even if they wouldn't like it. A pretty rare quality for a politician, especially in this age.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
11. Warren needs to be more than just VP. A VP's job is rather narrow unless you're Cheney.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jul 2013

I'm a little concerned Dean wouldn't be willing to spend the money necessary to fix our social programs.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
12. Obama ran as the great Progressive
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:56 AM
Jul 2013

Fooled us all.

I can hardly trust what we will get now days from the DNC.

It seems the only proper vetting process is reviewing voting records. Anything that remotely approaches favoritism toward the financial moguls is a clear red flag for me.

Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders would find great effort from me beyond just voting for them.

I'm inclined to leave the top of the ballot blank. For my own piece of mind. I find both of my votes for Obama to be truly regrettable.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. I agree with you. I will be using voting records to make my decision next time. I don't give a flip
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:58 AM
Jul 2013

what they promise on the campaign trail.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
26. The only "great Progressive" running at that time was Dennis Kucinich.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jul 2013

Candidate Obama was a moderate who ran just to the left of Hillary.. which is pretty much how President Obama is running the country.

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
28. Actually Obama ran as
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jul 2013

a Conciliator. One who would try to bridge the gap between the parties. He tried very hard to do that. If he'd been white, he might even have succeeded.

I never thought of him as a "great progessive", definitely more center left than far left.

Although, under his watch, a lot of "progressive" events have definitely taken place. If there weren't a bunch of lunatics in Congress, there would have been, would still be, many more.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
29. I don't know if you are attempting to qualify his presidency or not.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jul 2013

The speeches I listened to sounded a great deal more progressive than his actions as President.

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
30. Just replying with my PPOV
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

nothing more.

IMO - and just my own - I think he's acted much more progressively than I ever thought he would.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. agreed... many people seem to have forgoten this..
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jul 2013

"There are no red states or blue states, just the United States!"... which he said in virtually every campaign speech.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. Warren/Grayson, if you are going to go there.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:27 AM
Jul 2013

I've had enough of this timidity. I like Mr. Dean fine, too, but Warren and Grayson have congressional experience, and that is where the house cleaning needs to be done.

 

Blackford

(289 posts)
24. Grayson will never be on any national Democratic ticket.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:41 AM
Jul 2013

The reason is the same as why Kucinich will never be on any national Democratic ticket

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
27. How about WARREN for President?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:13 AM
Jul 2013

Dean is past his expiration date, and Grayson is too far out on the fringe. Don't misunderstand I LIKE the guy, I just don't think he's electable. Nor do I think he's suited to the job as he's a bit of a loose cannon.

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