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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow about Dean/Grayson with Warren as Treasury Secretary.
Well if we are throwing it out there...
No the more I think of it I would rather Warren as VP.
So my new ticket is.
Dean/Warren
Bernie Sanders for Treasury
Grason for AG
Please help me build the whole cabinet.
Who for ED.
Who for Defense
Who for Transportation
ect . . .
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)candidates take the top spot. Hillary Clinton is well positioned to bring a woman for the first time to that top office... Certainly, I like Warren as well, but I'd be hard pressed to imagine a better qualified candidate than HRC if she decides to run.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)What if a candidate is running in the primaries that is more in line with my beliefs, but that candidate happens to be male. Am I supposed to toss him aside just to get a female on the top of the ticket?
If Hillary can only win if we discriminate against men...is that really a win for women?
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)positioned. But, that you push that meme tells everything I need to know about YOU. Warren likewise is every bit as qualified, but Hillary's experience is broader and she is a far better candidate at this particular time.
When a female is THE BEST candidate--and in the case of HRC even the most misogynistic of the Dem pundits and strategists agree that she is, it says legions that you don't want to consider THEM. Uggh.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I'll have to see who is running in the primary. Right now I think it is quite likely someone is going to run that is more in line to my beliefs than Hillary. And that's the person I'm voting for.
Hillary is more status quo, in my opinion. She wont do anything about the surveillance state. Banks will continue to get away with murder. Wall Street will be taken care of. Foreign policy will remain unchanged. Business as usual. Hillary is not going to change anything. She's been a Washington insider for years.
Yes, she is the most qualified....and that's my problem with her. We don't need more status quo.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)make that horribly sexist accusation in your earlier post, makes me not wish to discuss further, even though I am perfectly fine with you making a cogent counter argument why someone else would make a better candidate. You owe me an apology for your ugly earlier comment.
cali
(114,904 posts)heck, she helped write the TPP which is an incredible corporate give away.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... or any other Turd Way DINO ever again, regardless of their plumbing.
If you want our votes, run a progressive candidate, period.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)Interesting and revealing omission. Not really all about the Clintons?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Why would I need to mention her? I'd vote for her without reservation.
What's your biggest problem, anyway? Lookin' for a pissin' match?
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)and which was met with a very ugly response by the other poster, who seems to have real issues with female candidates. I appreciate your clarifying that it was mere oversight.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... "an oversight." I couldn't care any less about the gender of a potential office seeker. I DO care about the kinds of policies they support. HRC's sorts of policies are more of the corporate, 1%er, Wall Street, surveillance/police/authoritarian state crap we already are being beat down by. The fact she has a vagina instead of a penis, is irrelevant and doesn't magically make her electable.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)"The fact she has a vagina instead of a penis, is irrelevant and doesn't magically make her electable. "
No one said it does. We should be open to electing a supremely qualified female President, just as we should have been open to electing an African American. We have two women who are very well qualified and to discount them out of hand, as in the case of the other poster is the problem. You argue based on differing politics with Clinton and that is fine. That is not the issue. But, that comment you made that suggests those who support either Clinton or Warren, merely "because they have a vagina" is not only ugly, but damned wrong.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)Drew Richards
(1,558 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I like Dean but I think we need a woman president. Geez, emerging democracies all over the world have had top women leaders, but not the good ole USA. We are BEHIND the times, folks!
DJ13
(23,671 posts)I only put Dean on top due to his prior Presidential run.
I figured experience should count for something.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Grayson as AG would be good, Warren as Sec Treas would be good.
And I would LUV to see Ambassador Joe Wilson as Sec State.
May it be so.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I would put Grayson at Defense, let him rumble around the pentagon a while and watch heads explode.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)He's not as progressive as many people think he is. And I say this as someone who supported him in 2004 and rode that roller coaster all the way until it had smashed into itsy bitsy smoking bit on the ground.
I think Howard Dean's great strength was to speak his mind and treat his listeners as adults, telling them what he thought even if they wouldn't like it. A pretty rare quality for a politician, especially in this age.
on point
(2,506 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I'm a little concerned Dean wouldn't be willing to spend the money necessary to fix our social programs.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Fooled us all.
I can hardly trust what we will get now days from the DNC.
It seems the only proper vetting process is reviewing voting records. Anything that remotely approaches favoritism toward the financial moguls is a clear red flag for me.
Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders would find great effort from me beyond just voting for them.
I'm inclined to leave the top of the ballot blank. For my own piece of mind. I find both of my votes for Obama to be truly regrettable.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)what they promise on the campaign trail.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Candidate Obama was a moderate who ran just to the left of Hillary.. which is pretty much how President Obama is running the country.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)a Conciliator. One who would try to bridge the gap between the parties. He tried very hard to do that. If he'd been white, he might even have succeeded.
I never thought of him as a "great progessive", definitely more center left than far left.
Although, under his watch, a lot of "progressive" events have definitely taken place. If there weren't a bunch of lunatics in Congress, there would have been, would still be, many more.
mick063
(2,424 posts)The speeches I listened to sounded a great deal more progressive than his actions as President.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)nothing more.
IMO - and just my own - I think he's acted much more progressively than I ever thought he would.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)"There are no red states or blue states, just the United States!"... which he said in virtually every campaign speech.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I've had enough of this timidity. I like Mr. Dean fine, too, but Warren and Grayson have congressional experience, and that is where the house cleaning needs to be done.
Blackford
(289 posts)The reason is the same as why Kucinich will never be on any national Democratic ticket
mzteris
(16,232 posts)Dean is past his expiration date, and Grayson is too far out on the fringe. Don't misunderstand I LIKE the guy, I just don't think he's electable. Nor do I think he's suited to the job as he's a bit of a loose cannon.