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npk

(3,660 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:06 PM Jul 2013

I have a question about the Zimmerman Jury

Please forgive me if that has already been answered, but I was following the events as they unfolded late last night when it appeared that the jury might be close to rendering a verdict. At some point the jury asked the court to further clarify the charge of Manslaughter, and how it might apply in this case. Then only approx. an hour later the jury came back with a not guilty verdict. I don't understand why the jury would ask that question if they were not leaning toward a manslaughter conviction. It seems like at least a couple of the jurors were thinking about convicting on this lesser charge. But such a short time passed after the question and then all 6 jurors were in agreement that Zimmerman was completely not guilty of all charges. It just doesn't make sense. For those that had been watching the coverage more closely did the judge thoroughly explain the charge of manslaughter. It almost seems like either the jury was confused at to what the charge entailed. Once again it just seems odd that they would ask the court to clarify a charge, but then spend such little time after that contemplating whether that charge would apply.

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Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
1. They never got the question answered at all
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jul 2013

The judge just sent back a note telling them that they needed to ask a specific question, and they never did. They just said "fuck it" and rendered a verdict.

Assholes. I hope they never sleep well again in their lives.

npk

(3,660 posts)
6. I just can't believe they did not return with a more specific question
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jul 2013

Very hard to believe that with everything that was on the line. It just seems that the jury was ready to get things over with and didn't want to be bothered any more. Very disheartening.

npk

(3,660 posts)
14. Yes I agree.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jul 2013

I know that a hung jury would have required the entire case to be retried, but Trayvon's family deserved better than what they got.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
2. Their question was not answered.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

Initially, the jury asked the judge to provide instructions for the manslaughter charge. The judge consulted with defense and prosecution, who determined that the question must be more specific. The judge wrote a note back to the jury that they must ask again and be more specific.

The follow-up question never happened. So the idea that they never fully understood the manslaughter charge is a possibility.

npk

(3,660 posts)
4. That was the part I guess I missed
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jul 2013

I was at work and following the deliberations online, but I did not know that the judge ruled they had to ask again and be more specific.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. The jury sent the judge the request for clarification and the judge sent back to the jury
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jul 2013

a note requesting a more specific question. The jury didn't respond to the note but returned with
an acquittal.

The instructions to the jury were pretty specific as to manslaughter, you can read the instructions here:

Webbrowser version:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions

Direct link to .pdf version:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/jury_instructions_1.pdf )




elleng

(131,176 posts)
5. I think it was early in the day (Saturday) when they asked
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jul 2013

about manslaughter. Could be mistaken.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. To me, in judge's original charge there was little difference in 2nd degree murder
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jul 2013

and manslaughter. It was not really explained, and the almost all white jury voted as we should have expected in Florida. Not one of them had the guts to hold out for a few days in favor of an innocent kid clearly murdered as a result of Zman actions.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. The judge replied what I was thinking of the jury's question.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jul 2013

Clarify what? Which point are they confused on? Did they want examples? Or did they want to know if "intent" is involved, even if not stated? Or could they consider defending himself using TOO much force? Exactly what did they want clarification on? It was too general a question. She asked them to be more specific as to WHAT part of the charge they wanted clarification on.

Then they came in with the not guilty verdict, so I guess they decided the answer among themselves.

It's a mystery. And it surprised everyone.

If I had to guess, I would guess that one juror said that the charge meant something in particular about one particular part of the charge, and the others disagreed. So the jurors wanted clarification on that point. When teh judge didn't answer outright, they went ahead with their deliberations...they really knew the answer, anyway. That would be my guess. OR while the judge was considering their question, they cont'd deliberations and got past the manslaughter charge, anyway.

It's a mystery.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
15. I wouldn't try to draw a conclusion from that. Numerous things could have happened.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jul 2013

Sometimes when you stop and think about a more specific question you end up figuring out the answer to what you asked in the first place.

A short time passing between having the question and having a verdict could also mean that most of the jury was ready to acquit and that one or two of the jurors still weren't sure.

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