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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a question about the Zimmerman Jury
Please forgive me if that has already been answered, but I was following the events as they unfolded late last night when it appeared that the jury might be close to rendering a verdict. At some point the jury asked the court to further clarify the charge of Manslaughter, and how it might apply in this case. Then only approx. an hour later the jury came back with a not guilty verdict. I don't understand why the jury would ask that question if they were not leaning toward a manslaughter conviction. It seems like at least a couple of the jurors were thinking about convicting on this lesser charge. But such a short time passed after the question and then all 6 jurors were in agreement that Zimmerman was completely not guilty of all charges. It just doesn't make sense. For those that had been watching the coverage more closely did the judge thoroughly explain the charge of manslaughter. It almost seems like either the jury was confused at to what the charge entailed. Once again it just seems odd that they would ask the court to clarify a charge, but then spend such little time after that contemplating whether that charge would apply.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)The judge just sent back a note telling them that they needed to ask a specific question, and they never did. They just said "fuck it" and rendered a verdict.
Assholes. I hope they never sleep well again in their lives.
npk
(3,660 posts)Very hard to believe that with everything that was on the line. It just seems that the jury was ready to get things over with and didn't want to be bothered any more. Very disheartening.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)than this travesty.
npk
(3,660 posts)I know that a hung jury would have required the entire case to be retried, but Trayvon's family deserved better than what they got.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Initially, the jury asked the judge to provide instructions for the manslaughter charge. The judge consulted with defense and prosecution, who determined that the question must be more specific. The judge wrote a note back to the jury that they must ask again and be more specific.
The follow-up question never happened. So the idea that they never fully understood the manslaughter charge is a possibility.
npk
(3,660 posts)I was at work and following the deliberations online, but I did not know that the judge ruled they had to ask again and be more specific.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)a note requesting a more specific question. The jury didn't respond to the note but returned with
an acquittal.
The instructions to the jury were pretty specific as to manslaughter, you can read the instructions here:
Webbrowser version:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions
Direct link to .pdf version:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/jury_instructions_1.pdf )
elleng
(131,176 posts)about manslaughter. Could be mistaken.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)yardwork
(61,712 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and manslaughter. It was not really explained, and the almost all white jury voted as we should have expected in Florida. Not one of them had the guts to hold out for a few days in favor of an innocent kid clearly murdered as a result of Zman actions.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Clarify what? Which point are they confused on? Did they want examples? Or did they want to know if "intent" is involved, even if not stated? Or could they consider defending himself using TOO much force? Exactly what did they want clarification on? It was too general a question. She asked them to be more specific as to WHAT part of the charge they wanted clarification on.
Then they came in with the not guilty verdict, so I guess they decided the answer among themselves.
It's a mystery. And it surprised everyone.
If I had to guess, I would guess that one juror said that the charge meant something in particular about one particular part of the charge, and the others disagreed. So the jurors wanted clarification on that point. When teh judge didn't answer outright, they went ahead with their deliberations...they really knew the answer, anyway. That would be my guess. OR while the judge was considering their question, they cont'd deliberations and got past the manslaughter charge, anyway.
It's a mystery.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)To anyone who at all looked at it impartially
JVS
(61,935 posts)Sometimes when you stop and think about a more specific question you end up figuring out the answer to what you asked in the first place.
A short time passing between having the question and having a verdict could also mean that most of the jury was ready to acquit and that one or two of the jurors still weren't sure.