her ignorance, her racism, her complete lack of respect for Trayvon and his friends and loved ones

I didn't hear anything racist from her.

Which is why I was looking for examples...

it is clear as day to us but to him, "THOSE PEOPLE" could mean, you know, ANYONE

doesn't mean that they are fair-minded individuals.......

I'm an African-American and I am long past needing a person to admit that they are a racist to know that they are, in fact, a racist.

... but you still need some proof in statement or act don't you? All I asked for was what made some posters claim that this woman is a racist ( or waiting for her reward from her white supremacist masters, as seen in another thread)

The best examples so far are the use of the words "those people" and a general attitude of perceived superiority.

Or is it just a "they are if I say they are" kind of thing?

about it if I could prove this to you?

This is how institutional racism that is prevalent in this country has been swept under the rug for so long - because people get caught up trying to prove to YOUR satisfaction that racism exists!

The populace as a whole has become desensitized to claims of racism because when we ask for the examples we get things like

"I don't have to prove it to you" " I know it when I see it" etc.. etc..

The boy who cried wolf ring a bell?

You know it when you see it.
Trust me. I'm the whitest person on earth (seriously), but I can detect racism when I see it. It's about code words, attitudes, perspectives, ignorance, lack of empathy, lack of knowledge, and a certain kind of arrogance.

EVERY view she has gives the benefit to GZ.

Is there something in the water that leads to Dumb juries in FLA ?

Maybe fl law

Looking at the jury instructions and the law I don't see why people expected different verdict unless they wanted the jury to ignore the law.


But when u have people like many of the hosts on MSNBC that let mike Bloomberg come on unchallenged about legal policies like stop and frisk and how those polices help justify civilian racial profiling.

Chris Hayes finally connected the dots last night but I doubt anyone on the network challenges Bloomberg on it in person during his soft pitch interviews

I suspect you are just like her

Just general angst at the decision she made and thus she is a racist?

her entire attitude is condescending, her sucking up to "Georgie", telling us about his great heart when the gutless coward never even testified, claiming Trayvon was out late and acting "strange",her approval of Zimmerman's actions to the point she'd STILL like him as neighborhood watch person (he learned his lesson murdering an innocent teenager, don'tcha know), her willlingness to profit from a dead teenager - she's DISGUSTING

... to racism is a "condescending attitude."

Why not just be honest and say that you don't like her because she made a decision you disagree with?

go back to shooting fireworks

Thanks for being the voice of compassionate reason here

It's not about slurs or language -- it is about the BELIEF that your own race is superior. And yes, it is revealed through one's thoughts, comments, attitude.

YOU are the one that doesn't understand the meaning of racism.

rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Now show where that exists in the interview.

I'm not saying it isn't there, it just hasn't been articulated yet.

Do some reading on the subject if you cannot figure it out on your own. Otherwise, stop being such a pest on the thread. If you need the attention, start your own thread.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/07/16/2306901/7-mind-blowing-moments-from-zimmerman-juror-b37s-first-interview/

What planet does she live on?

right?

A fish is the last to discover water

Why is anyone racist? I suspect upbringing often has a lot to do with it. Maybe its just ill founded poorly examined assumptions about other people that have never really been challenged in her life.

Or maybe sometimes also a form of mental illness which we may someday find a cure for.

...for some, their skin color and perceived superiority is all they have to be proud of in this world, and that is what gives rise to a lot of racism.

She couldn't have made it any more obvious without stating it outright.

Her first reaction was to make money off of his death. With her it was always poor George.

like most racists.

"Ooh, all of that icky blackness. Poor George, the world was out to get him."

you know? she's not really even trying to hide her distaste for "those people"

Is just the simple matter that it allows people like that to deny that it (racism) even exists.

there are soooo many B-37's out there. ....Michelle Bachman types). I tend to sense this jury was a plant...if not, the prosecution may of been following orders and this was part of the recipe.

I remain devastated.

the B-37's - do they KNOW they are racist?

They live in a closed subculture where they feel entitiled. If someone tells them or hints that they are racist, they rationalize profusely then switch the focus onto the accuser. I can't think of any good examples at the moment, I just woke up....

I see bird seeds scattered about..Oh....yea, they do know...

On this sub-thread!

If someone tells them or hints that they are racist, they rationalize profusely then switch the focus onto the accuser

I think gently pointing out to them that their passive aggresive nonsense isn't hiding anything is the best way to go. Especially with the "I had a black friend once" types.

They've vaguely latched onto the idea that it's bad to be racist, but not why it's bad to be racist or how not to be a racist. So they've developed massive systems of justifications for their racism that they pretend make it not really racism at all.

Usually it just pisses them off when you tell them they're a racist. Then they whine about how oppressed they are.

No. They don't.

My own mother is one of them. She has four half-brown children (all between 45 and 53 nowadays). And still she dances the Those People Two-Step on a daily basis. Claims she's "jut being honest." As far as she's concerned, her kids are white, right up until she needs to show how not-a-racist she is. Then we're magically half-Mexican again. It's really amazing to behold.

They're not racist in their own minds, it's never racism, it's "honesty" or "reality" or "just the truth" or some such bullshit.

gone for a change of venue. It sure seems like the police, the DA, the defense, the judge, and the Jury were all on the same page, and that page had very little to do with anything that may have actually happened.

My mom works with people like that. I grew up in a rural part of the state. The first town we lived in is now actually fairly big, the second is still small and that's where I went to school. Mom lives and works in the bigger town, but still lots of them rednecks. Then again, she chooses to continue to live there. I'll never live there again.

she is actually very much like zimmerman. they both looked at the other person and saw in them what they themselves are.

zimmerman who has a history of being a violent thug looked at trayvon and viewed him as up to no good.

this fucking dumbass juror saw rachel and saw her as not being educated and below the level of others.

watch the rachel jeantel interview with piers morgan and then watch the juror interview with anderson cooper. and then tell me who is more educated and which one is a fucking dumbass.

Obviously a product of her culturally sterile environment.

he is MYSTIFIED that we can detect racism!!!

and don't see it in others. or don't want to.

People simply won't see what they don't want to see.

it certainly does make a difference

Seriously? Your apartment complex?

to me. Did you catch the part where she said if Trayvon had been white, spanish, or asian...... Spanish not Hispanic or Latino. She is clueless.

I have to admit she turned around a lot of what I've been told I need to be sensitive to. Or is that only ok for black people?

And cracka is no longer for whites but law enforcement types?

Is that nationwide or just her friends?

I don't use either of those words.

I thought her explanation was quite clear.

I understood what she was talking about and it didn't appall me.

let the chips fall where they will.

For you to say it either way? Do you feel discriminated against? I have no problem with you saying it. Or writing it. Go right ahead.

It sticks in your craw that much - let one loose today and tell me if you feel less oppressed.

But it's such a crass word I doubt I will find a use for it anyway.

Go ahead. It's just a word.

It's not a social structure, Slavery By Any Other Name, or The New Jim Crow. Go ahead.

If it will make your feelings less suppressed - take up the movement! Let that anger out!

Maybe the younger generation is healthier anyway if they can move past this. The elders certainly can't.

And read what you've written on this thread - you'll see the poster is pointing out something about passive aggressive people.


That poster is just pointing out the obvious sentiments of some folks at DU.

If it's not you - then don't be so offended. Don't take it personal.

But I definitely encourage you to go up to the first Black person you see and say,
"S'up, my nigga?"

My point exactly.

My son is 20 and white and we live in the south. A few years ago, his black friend told him he could use the word "nigga" in their conversations. So, yes, the kids see this all a bit differently. But my son opted not to use it because he knows better and when he told me, I said, "You absolutely will not use that word."

I find no reason why my son and I being sensitive about the word while his friend throws it around is a reason for us to be ticked off.

but your resentment about acting decent is duly noted.

but don't be surprised how someone responds. i know...it is a double standard

B37 had the audacity to disdain Rachael's speaking skills, while I was noticing her numerous errors in grammar.lol

however, now she might have a clue, since she's being ridiculed

Channeling through stations I stopped to hear Al Sharpton in the middle of a conversation about the juror who now has a book deal. Heard about that a few days ago. Apparently this has raised eyebrows since no one was supposed to know who the jurors were. Question is, how did someone with a book deal get to her so quickly if no one knew the identity of these women?
He went on to say that this book deal juror is married to a lawyer, who knows one (or both) of the defense attorneys.
According to Sharpton, an investigation is now in the process of being asked for regarding this juror and her possible connection to the defense, and the jury selection process for this case as a whole.
I didn't hear the beginning of this conversation, so I apologize if I got any of this wrong. The big picture, however, is that questions about this jury are not being raised.

there needs to be an investigation.

That it wouldn't surprise me. Where I live, if you took one law class, or are close to a lawyer in any way, they'll dismiss you. Florida is such a strange state.

As for the OP, I agree, subtle racism. She doesn't even realize it. It really tool me aback when she said that she feels sorry for both Trayvcon and George. Unbelievable.

Looking more and more like 1-2 jurors at the minimum had their minds made up before even being selected...

And just 24 hours ago GD was all about "How dare you insinuate the jurors were racist when the prosecutors didn't prove their case!!!"

when he went from "niggers" to "those people". But maybe he just did that to offend me less.

That said, most of us probably don't choose our words carefully enoungh to stand the kind of scrutiny and analysis they get here.

My impression was that Juror B37 was in the self-defense camp from the start. She seemed to be forced to decide because of her prejuduces instead of in spite of them. Like a parent who is forced to spank a child "you made me be mean".

Does she know that testimony is part of the evidence? Now, if she said I thought the scientific evidence was more interesting, fine. But she made it seem as though testimony wasn't interesting. That's troubling, especially since she seems to think only Zimmerman's testimony is important as she answered that the Vietnam medic (she calls him a doctor) was the best witness.....a testimony witness that offered little. Wow is all I can say.

When gz took her a lock for her door and comforted her, she testified that she was rather grateful. The Jurer was sucked in, not realizing that when some people "help" it's their way of tryng to gain control, at least from my own life's experiences.....

... since he's also an attorney & reportedly knows O'Mara.

He probably coached his wife on how to get 'on' the jury and then helped the little Missus 'understand' Florida Law.
My bet is, as soon as the jury was seated, he contacted a book agent.

many years ago. My son is a sgt. now, but he started as a custodian at the jail. When I told him about being selected, he asked me to describe the accused and I did..and he said to call the judge to recuse myself because he that morning had prepared this same accused for his appearance at jury selection at the courthouse.

There in PA, something like that could be grounds for a new trial. Being connected to the accused in any way is not permitted.....

She should have been rejected because of their acquaintanceship with O'Mara.

Americans have every reason to have lost faith in:

1) Their churches, thanks to Westboro
2) Their government, thanks to Republicans
3) Their police, thanks to videocameras and the Internet
4) The courts, thanks to the activists on the SCROTUS
5) The jury system, thanks to B37
6) Their schools, thanks to fundamentalist infiltration of large school district boards, especially Texas
7) Their laws, thanks to the hunting license bestowed by SYG
8) The media, thanks to BreitbartRushFoxCoulterMoonieTimes

Is there anything left?

Sports journalism, thanks to ESPN

Maybe God is telling us to stay away from fla. The hurricanes will get stronger and take their toll in the future. Now you haves places like Sanford racist fla. Who would want to live in that God ugly place. Most of fla is ugly as hell and now I learn the people themselves are ugly as well.