B37 has been in use a long fucking time--


Please run it by the committee people! We are always available 24x7

Lockheed B-37




In August 1941, large orders for Venturas were placed with Lend-Lease Act money. Among the orders were for 550 armed reconnaissance versions of the Ventura. This aircraft was originally planned to be built under the designation O-56. The main differences between the Ventura and the O-56 were in the engines: rather than the 2,000 hp (1,491 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-2800 radials of the Ventura, the O-56 used 1,700 hp (1,270 kW) Wright R-2600-13 radials.

Before completion of the first O-56, the U.S. Army Air Forces dropped the "O-" category used to designate "observation" (reconnaissance) aircraft. The O-56 was redesignated the RB-34B (the R denoted 'restricted' meaning it was not to be used for combat). Before the first of these flew, the design was redesignated again as the B-37 with a higher powered version of the R-2600, later it also was designated the RB-37.

While 550 were ordered by the Army Air Forces, acquisition by the USAAF stopped after only 18 Venturas were accepted, when the Army Air Forces agreed to turn over exclusive use of the Ventura to the United States Navy.

is your opinion on Joe's salient point????

and change the oil on my motorcycle LOL

mainly because if the jury was pooled from the entire county and not just Sanford then there would have been a larger differential in prospective jurors.

The jurors aren't necessarily from Sanford.

You might expand it to the US for that matter, given some of the perspectives we're seeing.

A reasonable person in this town, county, state, or perhaps even country, finds black men to be "suspicious".

laid his finger on what was really going on during the entire affair, beginning with the night of the murder and extending through the verdict and its aftermath.

To wit, justice is as much 'socially constructed' as it is an abstract set of principles. These jurors may have felt that their entire modus vivendi was itself on trial in the person of George Zimmerman, lone crusader for justice, America and the flag. If they convicted Zimmerman, they were convicting themselves and their entire way of life.

There may be a cultural norm at play that has never stopped and somehow still views vigilantism as acceptable. I did not follow the trial closely (because I got so upset at the needless loss of life), so I do not know how closely jurors were scrutinized for their views on vigilantism.

This thread deserves some serious thought and commentary from the many brilliant minds here. And I commend Joe for stating this idea so simply and forcefully.

6 women who are all Paula Deen.

The pic is over the top, but its point could very well be true. A jury of Zimmerman's peers also sees a black teenager walking alone at night as "suspicious".

I'm getting the sense that this line of thought is uncomfortable for some.

protests in Crenshaw and blips from the Anderson Cooper interview, I was struck when the juror said that 1-2 jurors initially wanted to convict Zimmerman of something. They knew, at a deep emotional level, that GZ had done something wrong. But this particular juror also made it quite clear that she had no problem with GZ following TM, or even confronting TM that fateful night, which is why I mentioned the cultural norm of vigilantism.

I did not follow the trial very closely, though, so I shall have to defer to those who devoted more time to it and those who specialize in sociology and cultural anthropology.

lynch mob from THIS town ran Jackie Robinson out during baseball spring training. Let me see 1950'sish. 2013. No change. article first published 'the nation', march 23 2012.. ...actually the incident was 1947.

edited prior post with dates and source. .

but surrounding areas also ?

And I think the jurors did come from a larger county.

But given some of the responses, you might have obtained the same outcome at the state or maybe even national level.

and went with their 'gut instinct'.