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jsr

(7,712 posts) Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:18 AM Jul 2013

Accused airline groper: Woman came on to me

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Jul 16, 2013 6:17 PM EDT
Accused airline groper: Woman came on to me
By DAVID PORTER

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) -- A northern New Jersey man on trial for sexually abusing a woman on a cross-country flight told authorities that the woman "was coming on" to him and placed his hands on her breasts and inside her panties in the darkened cabin.

Bawer Aksal didn't take the witness stand Tuesday in federal court, but jurors heard excerpts from an FBI agent's notes of an interview he gave hours after the alleged incident on a Phoenix-to-Newark United flight last August.

The statement flatly contradicted the woman's account. She testified Monday she woke up to find Aksal molesting her and angrily pushed him away before leaving the row and notifying the flight crew.

A United flight attendant testified Tuesday that the woman "had tears in her eyes and she was shaking" when she spoke to her in the back of the plane.

Bawer Aksal

Criminal complaint: http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/pdffiles/2012/Aksal,%20Bawer%20Complaint.pdf

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Accused airline groper: Woman came on to me (Original Post) jsr Jul 2013 OP

Yeah, sure... KansDem Jul 2013 #1

And, you always run to tell the flight attendant spooky3 Jul 2013 #6

"What can I say? I'm totally irresistible! 'Skirts' can't keep their claws off me!!1!" bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #2

"She was coming on to me because I'm so irresistible." Ilsa Jul 2013 #3

Oh, Ick!!!! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #4

What a creep. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #5

Narcissist. nt Javaman Jul 2013 #7

The mile-high molester Blue Owl Jul 2013 #8

file this under "delusion vs. reality" Enrique Jul 2013 #9

Of course she came on to you!!!! WHO WOULDN'T??? Just look at you!!!11!!1 nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #10

Yech...in... pipi_k Jul 2013 #11

In my younger days I did that, too, until I figured out that nearly every guy I treated like Nay Jul 2013 #12

Sad to say, I've had similar experiences. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #14

Me too, I told mine...was yours so traumatic, you cannot express it? angstlessk Jul 2013 #16

Check your pm's. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #17

i hope he gets a nice long sentence Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #13

I was riding a bus when younger and some man started to rub my leg!!!!!!!!!!!!! angstlessk Jul 2013 #15

KansDem

(28,498 posts)

1. Yeah, sure...

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:32 AM

Jul 2013

I know I've always had a desire to initiate sexual contact resulting in foreplay as I flew cross-country on a crowded plane. Yeah, sure...

Once I'm on a plane my first desire is to get off as soon as possible. And that doesn't mean sexually.

This guy must think we're all morons...

spooky3

(34,481 posts)

6. And, you always run to tell the flight attendant

Reply to KansDem (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:56 AM

Jul 2013

While crying. Don't you?

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)

2. "What can I say? I'm totally irresistible! 'Skirts' can't keep their claws off me!!1!"

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:35 AM

Jul 2013

Hope they throw the book at the bastage.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)

3. "She was coming on to me because I'm so irresistible."

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:35 AM

Jul 2013

"Since I'm so irresistible and sexy, I knew she wouldn't mind me molesting her, and since she would enjoy that, why not rape her? After all, I'm so sexy."

Criminal mindset. Sociopath.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)

4. Oh, Ick!!!!

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:40 AM

Jul 2013

Just . . . ICK!!!! I ever caught someone doing that to me asshole would lose an appendage and I don't care which one.

raccoon

(31,126 posts)

5. What a creep. nt

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 10:42 AM

Jul 2013

Javaman

(62,534 posts)

7. Narcissist. nt

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:12 PM

Jul 2013

Blue Owl

(50,507 posts)

8. The mile-high molester

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

Jul 2013

n/t

Enrique

(27,461 posts)

9. file this under "delusion vs. reality"

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:33 PM

Jul 2013

According to Aksal's statement, to two FBI agents, the woman showed an interest in him as soon as she sat down, telling him, "You are a very handsome guy." Later, he told the agents, the woman was "coming on to me" and "rubbing herself against me," forcing him to push her away.

Jurors heard a different version on Monday during cross-examination of the woman when they were told that she had sent a text message to a friend before takeoff complaining that &quot expletive) guy's hairy arm is touching me."

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

10. Of course she came on to you!!!! WHO WOULDN'T??? Just look at you!!!11!!1 nt

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:40 PM

Jul 2013

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)

11. Yech...in...

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 01:23 PM

Jul 2013

my younger days, I was often accused of being a "tease" by guys simply because I smiled and treated them like human beings instead of spitting in their faces.

Although I would imagine that even had I spit in their faces, some would still believe it was probably foreplay...

bleh

Nay

(12,051 posts)

12. In my younger days I did that, too, until I figured out that nearly every guy I treated like

Reply to pipi_k (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:50 PM

Jul 2013

a human being thought it was an invitation into my pants. I rapidly developed a "fuck off" facial expression that has served me well. I truly think it must be pretty awful to be a man and be buffeted by sexual thoughts all the time.

raccoon

(31,126 posts)

14. Sad to say, I've had similar experiences. nt

Reply to pipi_k (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:09 PM

Jul 2013

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)

16. Me too, I told mine...was yours so traumatic, you cannot express it?

Reply to raccoon (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:29 PM

Jul 2013

raccoon

(31,126 posts)

17. Check your pm's. nt

Reply to angstlessk (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 08:03 AM

Jul 2013

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)

13. i hope he gets a nice long sentence

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:19 PM

Jul 2013

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)

15. I was riding a bus when younger and some man started to rub my leg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to jsr (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 05:28 PM

Jul 2013

I stood right up and yelled!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT TOUCH ME..GET OFF THE BUS...(I really do not remember all I said) and the bus driver made him get off the bus...of course the police should have been called, but that was in the early 60's or so.

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