Snowden has no crediblity, and deserves no thanks.
It's one thing to claim that Snowden's actions helped to focus attention on an issue. It's another thing entirely to claim that we should thank him for his actions.
I don't buy into the notion that the only way to have focused attention on the issue was by leaking classified information in the way that he did, via distortions that tried to portray the program as something it was not, and then maintaining that he revealed "criminality."
Snowden's motives have always been suspect. While the debate is welcomed, his actions are still suspect. The fact that he created a circus with his international adventure, sparking international incidents, and injecting himself into the story throughout, shows that his motive was not a debate about the NSA domestic programs. His actions were idiotic and self-serving.
Bush's illegal spying was exposed in 2005 by Thomas Tamm. FISA has always been controversial and challenged by civil liberties groups and some lawmakers (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023009232). Criticism of Snowden's actions that led him to reveal U.S. state secrets to other countries and find himself stuck in Russia have nothing to do with anyone's opinion of the ongoing debate about NSA domestic program.
Don't expect people to overlook Snowden's actions overseas simply because there is an ongoing debate and renewed focus on the program. That's not going to happen.
Snowden is a delusional and self-important clown. He and Greenwald have done everything to help make the story about them.
First, Greenwald announces that he has enough information to bring down the U.S.
He's applying for temporary asylum in Russia.
It doesn't get any more bizarre than that. Well...
Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023275112
If Snowden's case as a whistleblower is so strong, why is he afraid to face the consequences?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023236549
Not at all making himself the story, Greenwald to make next shocking NSA revelations, in a book -KOS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023287918
Russian President Vladimir Putin made it clear Wednesday that he holds his country's relationship with the United States in higher esteem than he does former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, Reuters reported.
When a reporter asked if the Snowden case would negatively affect a September summit between the U.S. and Russia in Moscow, Putin responded that "bilateral relations, in my opinion, are far more important than squabbles about the activities of the secret services," according to Reuters.
"We warned Mr. Snowden that any action by him that could cause damage to Russian-American relations is unacceptable for us," he added, as quoted by Reuters.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/putin-us-russia-relations-greater-than-snowden
The international freak show brought to you by Snowden.
How the Snowden Affair Became a Freak Show
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023235597
Also, everyone knew about the programs, albeit not the scope, but that is not justification for Snowden's actions, especially those that compromised U.S. state secrets.
Not knowing the scope is not the same as not being aware of the concerns.
Wyden on Senate floor: FISA’s ‘general warrants’ are like the ‘Writs of Assistance’ the founding fat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022081086
Senator Wyden (D-Ore.) calls for oversight of agencies that might be monitoring Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022081177
PATRIOT Act Being Used to Keep Super Duper Government Spy Operation Top Secret
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002440614
House votes to renew controversial surveillance law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014228212
Obama signs FISA extension..5 more years.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022111527
There is clearly a disagreement about the program, but it was authorized by Congress. The administration stated that there were briefings. Senator Reid called out members for claiming they didn't know (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022999689). The scope of the program maybe in question, but there is still nothing illegal about it. That fact, together with fleeing the country and revealing U.S. state secrets, is why Snowden will not be considered a whistleblower.
Members of Congress have oversight of the program. It's good they're awake now and taking their oversight responsibility seriously.
Sen. Tester Calls On Snowden To Return To America To ‘Face The Music’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023281426
= new reply since forum marked as read
and people wonder why I won't trash this thread. It's comedy gold.
you mean NonSense is wrong?!?!
-p
Or obsession?
You have a lot of threads on this subject... how many of the 4774 posts that you have made in the last 90 days have been Snowden related?
Give it a rest...
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just fine by yourself. I'm just watching it happen. 
ETA: Oh, I see. You are insinuating that I am another poster. Considering that I had to submit a driver's license, my address and my signature to be a Mod at DU when it was DU2, that's pretty damn foolish. But please, insinuate away, since I my real identity is known to many here. But nice try at eroding my credibility when your own is under fire. Please, proceed.
Me thinks she protests too much, since I was a Mod on DU2 and had to submit identification.
Right?
Too funny! 
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What did we miss?
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Benghazi!! 
Sure glad he doesn't own the
Edit: But he did bring Formula One to Austin so now there's some mixed feelings...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_McCombs
~Snip~
Red has a wide range of business interests including automobile dealerships, communications, ranching and real estate. Red began his career in the car business in 1950 and today Red McCombs Automotive consists of nine dealerships in San Antonio. Red was a co-founder of Clear Channel Communications, a global leader in the out-of-home advertising industry with radio and television stations and outdoor displays in 32 countries around the world. He owned the Minnesota Vikings of the NFL from the 1998 season through the 2004 season. Prior to his football team ownership, Red owned the Denver Nuggets and San Antonio Spurs of the NBA. Koontz McCombs, headquartered in San Antonio, is a multi-faceted commercial real estate development, construction and brokerage firm established in 1997.
~Snip~
Full entry is located here.
www.mccombsenergy.com/history.htm
~Snip~
Programs that appear on many Clear Channel talk stations include the Glenn Beck Program—getting his talk show start at Clear Channel owned WFLA (AM) in Tampa, The Rush Limbaugh Show, The Sean Hannity Show, America Now with Andy Dean and Coast to Coast AM, all of which are affiliated with Premiere Radio Networks in some fashion. The Mark Levin Show and The Dave Ramsey Show are non-Premiere shows who air on many (if not most) Clear Channel stations, as did The Savage Nation prior to its ending in September 2012. Limbaugh is almost universally carried on Clear Channel stations in markets where the company has a news talk station, with the exception of New York City: WOR has only recently come under ownership of Clear Channel and has not yet acquired Limbaugh from its current home, Cumulus Media-owned WABC. In markets where Clear Channel-owned news talk stations have not been profitable (such as Boston and Atlanta), Clear Channel has chosen to sell shows such as Limbaugh and Coast to Coast AM to their rivals and change the stations to other formats.
~snip~
Censorship
Clear Channel has been criticized for censoring opinions critical of George W. Bush and other Republicans. After Natalie Maines, the singer of the Dixie Chicks, told a London audience "we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas", the band's radio airplay dropped precipitously. Afterwards, some Clear Channel stations removed The Dixie Chicks from their playlists without any noted repercussions from the company. Gail Austin, Clear Channel's director of programming said, "Out of respect for our troops, our city and our listeners, [we] have taken the Dixie Chicks off our playlists."[63] Clear Channel was accused of orchestrating the radio blacklist by such critics as Paul Krugman, however others claim some Clear Channel stations continued to play the band longer than some other companies.[64] This treatment of the Dixie Chicks is contrasted with Clear Channel's handling of Ted Nugent criticizing President Obama, a Democrat, wherein Nugent was offered air time to explain his side of the issue and blame the "liberal media" for trying to silence him.[65]
Clear Channel-owned KTVX was the only local television station that refused to air the paid political message of Cindy Sheehan against the war in Iraq.[66]
While a smaller percentage of Clear Channel's AM talk/music stations have been in the progressive talk format (featuring the now-cancelled Air America Radio network) and they have also been a media sponsor of Frameline, the San Francisco International LGBT Film Festival.[67]
Use of paid actors posing as callers
Clear Channel, through its subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, auditions and hires actors to call in to talk radio shows and pose as listeners in order to provide shows, carried by Clear Channel and other broadcasters, with planned content in the form of stories and opinions. The custom caller service provided by Premiere Radio assures its clients they won't hear the same actor's voice for at least two months in order to appear authentic to listeners who might otherwise catch on.[68]...
~snip~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_Communications
sorry...
I think he has Limbaugh taint on him.
Not sure if that will ever wash out....
potential tyranny to the country.
running towards the Kremlin?
...I almost choked on my lunch. 
If you post that picture 100 times you get a Neo-DU top-achiever certificate, suitable for framing.
You'd be posting it .
This proves EVERYTHING:
That never gets old!
IDGI
Oh, and thanks !
Nope not that one, this one:
Thanks for the link!
Definitely.
focusing their comments on me, make yourself useful: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023288332#post20
Snowden will likely need the support.
"Another one of your anti-Snowden spam threads.
And another thread to add to my trash.
Have a nice day."
...didn't take his/her own advice: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023288332#post51
Hooked?
LOVE!
hyperbolic much?
You're dropping turds in the pro-crime supporters punch bowl.
No wonder quality posters like ProSense are scarce.
And is more interested in "shutting down" her critics with the ROFL smiley or assassinating their characters (usually by linking to their transparency pages).
The WALLS OF TEXT and tl;dr format of most of the threads don't help either.
"Because ProSense tends to make extraordinarily repetitive threads with selective quotes
And is more interested in 'shutting down' her critics with the ROFL smiley or assassinating their characters (usually by linking to their transparency pages)."
...what? My opinions and threads are "shutting down" my "critics"? LOL!
You oppose transparency?
Oh and don't ever forget the icon. Why it can silence and shame just about anyone. It's the go to icon for this crowd.
Just pointing out the irony myself.
I'm a n00b here and even I know that.
Just grab some popcorn
and watch the profligate posters cannibalize each other.
...errr... 'opinion', over and over. It was getting tedious until this masterfully created distraction appeared. The self linking is a little ego centric, but hey, whatever floats your boat, right?
The point is you really seem to have an inordinately large axe to grind that has almost nothing to do with a solution orientation; and almost exclusively, always seems to be nothing more than a Snowden bash.
I just don't understand the pay off...
What do you get out of it?
And of course when you get all character assassinating on others who disagree with your posts. That gets old too...
... just say'n
Ya know?
Maybe take a break from the Snowden sucks bandwagon? Post something about the Taliban leader that sent a 4 page letter to Malala about how she is to be killed, not for seaking education, but for smearing the Taliban...
I dunno
Just something other than "I hate Snowden!"
We get it.
Message received.
Thanks.
Extremes of any sort are a vexation to ones psyche.
However, I do not have to 'deal with it' because it is not my extreme. I can click off and go about my day, not giving two shits that anyone hates or loves Snowden... it really is no sweat off my balls.
But you might want to talk to someone about your obsession. It seems a little unhealthy.
..really? I'm sensing a little "obsession" on your part, and "it seems a little unhealthy."
Maybe you should do that "click off" thing.
Except...
It's like potato chips...
Even after it get's a little sickening, you kind of want to see if there are anymore chips left in the bag.
And well, there you go... there's more.
But yeah, I've wasted way too much time here this morning. But I am procrastinating, so it's ok. I'll leave you to pontificate your hate in peace.
Enjoy!
La dee da...
"It's like potato chips...
Even after it get's a little sickening, you kind of want to see if there are anymore chips left in the bag."
...are you saying my opinions are tasty and you can't get enough, but you know you shouldn't keep indulging?
and how they'll be answered 
Well, maybe it is.
So, THAT'S what this is.
I've never seen that emoticon before. That's hysterical!
Too funny.
you linked to?
Just seems quite opportunist (at best) on Greenwald/Snowden's part to bring this up now. Hell- at least Obama went/goes through the FISA courts...
But, no... just when Comey gets confirmation...
Greenwald practiced law in the Litigation Department at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz (1994–1995); in 1996 he co-founded his own litigation firm, called Greenwald Christoph & Holland (later renamed Greenwald Christoph PC), where he litigated cases concerning issues of U.S. constitutional law and civil rights.{6}{18} According to Greenwald, "I decided voluntarily to wind down my practice in 2005 because I could, and because, after ten years, I was bored with litigating full-time and wanted to do other things which I thought were more engaging and could make more of an impact, including political writing."{18}
Unclaimed Territory
Greenwald started his blog Unclaimed Territory in October 2005, focusing on the investigation pertaining to the Valerie Plame affair, the CIA leak grand jury investigation, the federal indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy. In April 2006, Unclaimed Territory received the 2005 Koufax Award for "Best New Blog".{6}
Salon
In February 2007, Greenwald became a contributing writer at Salon.com, and the new column and blog superseded Unclaimed Territory, though Salon.com prominently features hyperlinks to it in Greenwald's dedicated biographical section.{20}{21}
Among the frequent topics of his Salon articles were the investigation of the 2001 anthrax attacks, and the candidacy of former CIA official John O. Brennan for the jobs of either Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA) or the next Director of National Intelligence (DNI) after the election of Barack Obama. Brennan withdrew his name from consideration for the post after opposition centered in liberal blogs and led by Greenwald.{22}{23}{24}{24}{25}{26} Brennan would, however, take up the leadership position at the CIA in March 2013.
The Guardian
Greenwald left Salon.com on August 20, 2012 for The Guardian, citing "the opportunity to reach a new audience, to further internationalize my readership, and to be re-invigorated by a different environment" as reasons for the move.{27}
On June 5, 2013, Greenwald helped scoop the story on the top-secret FISA court order requiring Verizon to provide the National Security Agency with telephone metadata for all calls between the US and abroad, as well as all domestic calls.{28}{29}{30}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald
- Looks like he was keeping himself busy to me......
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WTF?
This thread would not exist if not for him. 
*sighs*
We like watching all the heads 'splode.
I'm not sure why they keep coming back for more, but they look like damned fools.
.. chomp!
Maybe that's the plan.
He will be Elizabeth Hasselcrack's first interview when she pops up over there in September.
Although Hasselcrack touted George Dubya from Day One right after she joined "The View", and said that she didn't care what anybody thought of her political opinions.
She would just love to talk to Snowden for causing President Obama some problems over the NSA program these days.
Mostly because she hates President Obama because she is a racist.
Hasselcrack supported McCain for President back in 2008 and repeated lies about Senator Obama during that campaign.
And she supported Mitt Romney for President last year, continuing her slide into a parallel universe.
It may not have been in her contract when she was at ABC to be a rightwing slug, but they don't have to worry about her credentials at Faux Snooze.
She has convinced many of us that she is truly a rightwing slug.
Lame
TOTALITARIANZ!
Well said
Thanks
Comedy gold. Just have a laugh and ignore them.
