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Emit

(11,213 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:56 AM Jul 2013

UC Berkeley study finds upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals

Published on Jun 21, 2013

In a series of startling studies, psychologists at the University of California at Berkeley have found that "upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals." Ongoing research is trying to find out what it is about wealth — or lack of it — that makes people behave they way they do. Paul Solman reports as part of his Making Sen$e series, more of which you can check out here: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/makingsense/ and here: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/06/why-those-who-feel-they-have-less-give-more.html




Video and an excerpted transcript of his extended interview with University of California, Berkeley, psychologist Dacher Keltner follows at this link below:

Why Those Who Feel They Have Less Give More

What is it that wealth does to people? On Thursday's Making Sen$e segment, Paul Solman traveled to the University of California, Berkeley, to examine the connection between wealth and happiness. His report on the psychology of wealth, which appears above and is slated to air on PBS NewsHour Friday, shows that people who feel less well-off, whether in real terms or in simulated settings, tend to act more charitably. An excerpted transcript of his extended interview with University of California, Berkeley, psychologist Dacher Keltner follows. Dacher is the founding faculty director of the Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley.

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/06/why-those-who-feel-they-have-less-give-more.html
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leftstreet

(36,112 posts)
2. That study makes no sense
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:09 AM
Jul 2013

There's no evidence that 'lower class' people are motivated to charity from superior ethics. They're just as likely to give to the less fortunate in order to reinforce a belief that they're...not less fortunate. Wealthy people wouldn't need to do that.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
5. Or it could just be
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:58 AM
Jul 2013

that people that don't believe in helping others whatsoever are the most likely to rise to the top.

Viewing every turned back as a target for a knife does tend to help people climb the ladder.

Edited to add: By which I mean they could have the correlation backwards. It isn't more money that makes you a jerk, but being a jerk makes you more likely to have more money.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
9. That seems to me to be a very cynical viewpoint.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:51 AM
Jul 2013

Being one who has been poor a good part of my life and have lived around the poor a good part of my life, I have a completely different perspective. Poor people have more empathy for those who are doing without as they themselves have done without. When they see an opportunity to help someone in need, being that it's rare that they can help someone, they're more than happy to be able to alleviate suffering and want when/where they can. I know. I've seen it. I've lived it.

The wealthy don't see poor people -- they look past them and rarely get involved then make excuses for their lack of charity. Poor people are more prone to share whatever little resources they have just because they know and have lived want.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
11. I'd rather posit that it was empathy rather than a need to feel superior.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jul 2013

In either case, (your argument or mine) the wealthier person has no reason to give, because that condition does not apply to them.

leftstreet

(36,112 posts)
14. Not sure it would be a need to feel superior
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

so much as a need to feel secure

But like I said, the study is weird

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
16. I merely rephrased your assertion.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jul 2013
They're just as likely to give to the less fortunate in order to reinforce a belief that they're...not less fortunate

If you are not in a less fortunate position, you are in a more fortunate position. That is a superior position. The feeling of being in a superior situation does not have to include gloating. It may. But it does not have to.

We are using the terms differently.

leftstreet

(36,112 posts)
17. Ah I see
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jul 2013

Got ya

Well the study is bizarre in any case

I don't see where 'ethics' are involved but perhaps the author needed a different term

 

matthews

(497 posts)
4. People with great wealth feel 'entitled'. They take everyday niceties that make the planet
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jul 2013

a semi-civilized place to live for granted. As if life were a long line and your place in it is determined by a dollar ($) sign and a long stream of numbers.

Not all. But most.

And Honore de Balzac said:

"The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account
is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly
executed."

KG

(28,752 posts)
7. my own anecdotal experience bears this out. esp the nouveau riche. they view the rest of the
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:14 AM
Jul 2013

world as threats to their wealth. it's sad and disgusting.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
8. Perhaps people who write the rules don't think
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:25 AM
Jul 2013

that the rules apply to them but are meant for others. Those rulez designed to facilitate the flow of capital upward are a good example.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
12. The piece at the link says that poor people are more charitable than wealthy people
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jul 2013

Poor people are more generous and compassionate.

It doesn't really address whether the poor are more ethical than wealthy people. Charity is only one aspect of ethics.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
15. some of the most HORRIBLE people i know are wealthy people
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

some of the best, most giving, most loving people i've ever met don't have a pot to piss in.

but they'd give you the shirt off their back,

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