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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:06 AM Jul 2013

Are we doomed?

http://www.dscc.org/races
http://www.dccc.org/races

I'll say it again, the best hope is to deny Republicans any advantage anywhere. Vote them out wherever possible.

Remember 2010? What's happening in states from North Carolina to Texas and across the country can be directly linked to the outcome of the 2010 elections.

I try to imagine where things would be had Democrats won decisively at the national, state and local levels. Instead of the crazy, I think the country would be on a path to more sane policies, even some progressive policies.

It's bizarre to see the advances in civil rights for the LGBT community juxtaposed with deeply regressive anti-choice policies.

The assault certainly didn't begin with 2010, as the SCOTUS' Voting Rights Act decision shows, but that election expanded it into states that leaned progressive, and it's going to take several voting cycles to reverse.

Start with 2014.

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Are we doomed? (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2013 OP
If Democrats want to win in 2014, they should advocate for ... Scuba Jul 2013 #1
If they don't advocate all those positions, does that mean they don't "want to win"? ProSense Jul 2013 #3
Yes, that's exactly what it means. And a little critical thinking will lead one to the conclusion.. Scuba Jul 2013 #7
So we're doomed, right? ProSense Jul 2013 #9
Why would you say that? Scuba Jul 2013 #20
Because it's the logical conclusion from your post? jeff47 Jul 2013 #24
The language that you and the paid advocate have chosen to use Trajan Jul 2013 #31
No, but that's a lovely attempt to avoid the implications jeff47 Jul 2013 #40
We aren't DOOMED Trajan Jul 2013 #42
Read the thread you are responding to. jeff47 Jul 2013 #50
Leaping to the left? Octafish Jul 2013 #33
No. jeff47 Jul 2013 #39
No try to it. People vote for Democrats because of what we stand for. Octafish Jul 2013 #43
The try is you making claims about what I said. jeff47 Jul 2013 #51
Obama hasn't been president for 30 years AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #55
It took a few 'Grand Bargains ®' to get us where we are AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #54
A great check list for a strong national security policy that can no longer be denied.....Those midnight Jul 2013 #8
Yes, but of course that means being Dems, not Reeplites. ananda Jul 2013 #41
+ a gazillion Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #44
the only problem: who's got enough money to bribe them to fight for those things? yurbud Aug 2013 #57
So would you agree that they don't care about winning as much as serving those who bribe them? Scuba Aug 2013 #58
unfortunately, yes. When they lose, they can make far more as lobbyists, CEO's, and do nothing yurbud Aug 2013 #59
Start with 2014, and then elect a progressive President in 2016. protect our future Jul 2013 #2
The darkness at the break of Noon shadows even the Silver Spoon.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #4
It Does Not Look Promising Because So Many Voters Are Brain Dead. TheMastersNemesis Jul 2013 #5
I consider the '14 elections as important as the Presidential, maybe more so. We must rid ourselves monmouth3 Jul 2013 #6
Voters already killed the GOP. See: 2006 & 2008 n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #10
Did voters revive them in 2010? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #11
Obama & Dems have been reviving the GOP since 2008 n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #13
So it was "Obama & Dems" who voted the GOP into offices across the country? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #14
No, they just ran their campaigns for them n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #15
So they tricked the voters into voting for Republicans? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #16
You look very beautiful today n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #17
Non sequiturs are always a great plan when your argument fails. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2013 #25
LOL tridim Jul 2013 #26
And yet the GOP retains immense power. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #12
Never say never, we have existed in doomsday since 1980, it is time for citizens to vote for those Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #18
GOTV 2014! MineralMan Jul 2013 #19
Hear hear. great white snark Jul 2013 #35
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #21
If the ACA does what it promises in 2014, we will be able to use this success to illustrate Zorra Jul 2013 #22
No we are not doomed. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #23
Democrats win when they act like Democrats. rug Jul 2013 #28
Third party bullshit speak. great white snark Jul 2013 #34
Peanut gallery bullshit speak. rug Jul 2013 #38
not doomed, just playing 2010's politics with 1990's ideas. time to evolve. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #29
If the Democrats want to win, they need to stop acting like Republicans davidn3600 Jul 2013 #30
Wow Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #32
Yeah the moderates really fucked us over in 2010 Union Scribe Jul 2013 #36
It's important to GOTV. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #45
The Democrats, and Obama in particular, lurched to the right AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #56
No and if anyone tells you we are they have an agenda that includes you not voting for Dems. great white snark Jul 2013 #37
+1! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #52
If we don't wake up and think critically for ourselves, reject Skip Intro Jul 2013 #46
Well, you could always mass email your clip things to republicans, that would help. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #47
In some states we are in real trouble dsc Jul 2013 #48
Right now we have a center-right party and a fascist party in Washington NuclearDem Jul 2013 #49
Kicking again for... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #53
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. If Democrats want to win in 2014, they should advocate for ...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

... Living Wage

... Medicare for All

... Strengthen, expand Social Security

... Legalize weed

and

... Cut defense to pay for it all



Supporting such positions, Dems could gain tens of millions of votes from the 40% of the electorate who currently stay home because neither Party offers them squat.

Failure to adopt such stances just makes Democrats look like Repubican-lite, demotivates the base, does nothing to attract the currently disaffected and cedes the issues to the other side.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. If they don't advocate all those positions, does that mean they don't "want to win"?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jul 2013

Then what?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Yes, that's exactly what it means. And a little critical thinking will lead one to the conclusion..
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jul 2013

... that the Democratic Party has been largely taken over by conservatives wearing sheep's clothing.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. Because it's the logical conclusion from your post?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jul 2013

You're demanding that the party leap to the left before 2014.

There's little evidence that the party will do so by 2014.

Thus we're doomed in 2014.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
31. The language that you and the paid advocate have chosen to use
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

That we are 'DOOMED' is specious ... we aren't doomed, but we would suffer a loss at the polls if the party continues to drift right, which your post 'implies' ....

So, you prefer that we continue to drift to the right, as your post and PS's posts ' imply' ?

Not loving that Democrats wanna be Republicans, as your post implies ...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
40. No, but that's a lovely attempt to avoid the implications
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

The party took 30 years to get where it is now. It will take more than 1 year to fix it.

The claim I was responding to is we are doomed unless the party is fixed in one year.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
42. We aren't DOOMED
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jul 2013

so stop using the reference .... it's a red herring ...

The sooner we become Democrats, the sooner we will fix this country .....

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. Read the thread you are responding to.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not the one claiming Democrats are doomed. The first reply is.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
33. Leaping to the left?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

As opposed to continuing to the right, uninterrupted, to where the GOP lies. Which is exactly what Harry S Truman warned us about:

[font color="blue"]"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time."[/font color]


Right?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
39. No.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jul 2013

But nice try.

The party is where it is. It will take time to correct it's direction. It took 30 years to get where we are now. It will take more than 1 year to reverse that.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. No try to it. People vote for Democrats because of what we stand for.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

Peace. Prosperity. Civil Rights. Equal Rights. Voting Rights. Strong Unions. Good Jobs. Good Housing. Good Schools.

These are some of the things that now seem to be denigrated by the label, "Left."

When we stand for the same things as the pukes, like doing everything under the sun for Wall Street, people don't vote for us.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
51. The try is you making claims about what I said.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jul 2013

And spinning doesn't change that.

The poster waaaay up there demanded that the party make a large move back to the left before 2014.

The entirety of my point is you can't undo 30 years in one year.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. A great check list for a strong national security policy that can no longer be denied.....Those
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jul 2013

that do... regardless if they have a certain alphabet next to their name, should not be considered to run any thing in this country....

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
58. So would you agree that they don't care about winning as much as serving those who bribe them?
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 04:23 PM
Aug 2013

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
59. unfortunately, yes. When they lose, they can make far more as lobbyists, CEO's, and do nothing
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

board members than they can serving their employers in public office and deferring those big salaries (temporarily).

Joe Lieberman certainly didn't change his stripes to win over his constituents when Ned Lamont challenged him in the primaries.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
4. The darkness at the break of Noon shadows even the Silver Spoon....
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jul 2013

I think people are worried about bigger things than knocking on doors for party picked candidates....

But I guess I could be wrong.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
5. It Does Not Look Promising Because So Many Voters Are Brain Dead.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jul 2013

If you advocate for a worker or better employment protections you are called a communist. As I said recently in a Democratic meeting in Colorado if you run as a progressive, for unions, living wages, health care etc, the churches here and the business community will call you a communist and anti American and you will get your ass whipped by the same broke people who vote. The word communist or progressive causes so many of them to go berzerk. You could literally get yourself shot in some districts.

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
6. I consider the '14 elections as important as the Presidential, maybe more so. We must rid ourselves
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jul 2013

of the scourge in the House and keep the Senate. President Obama would have no excuses...

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. Never say never, we have existed in doomsday since 1980, it is time for citizens to vote for those
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jul 2013

who wants to work with the majority, GOTV, run a serious grass roots campaign, work harder than we did in 2012, yes we can. This static we are hearing from the fringes which has nothing to do with revival of the 90%, gripping and complaining is not good. This energy should be place on positive thinking rather than the gubermint is out to get me.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
22. If the ACA does what it promises in 2014, we will be able to use this success to illustrate
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

how Democrats make the lives of the majority of Americans so much better than republicans whose only interest is in serving the wealthy.

IMO, if the ACA is successful in allowing every American to have access to genuinely affordable health care, we can regain our majority in the House and increase our majority in the Senate.

If the ACA does what it promises to do in 2014, we will need to put this success on a national pedestal, clear and indisputable for everyone to see, and then counteract all RW propaganda that is put forth in order to cloud the issue.

If the ACA does what it promises to do in 2014, I guarantee that I will personally be able to convince a minimum of thirty generally non political voters to vote straight Democratic in the 2014 elections.

I need to unquestionably believe in something before I can sell it. If I see tens of millions of previously uninsured people obtain quality healthcare, I will have the only evidence I need to make my case and convince the jury of uninformed voters to vote a straight D ticket.

And I believe that I may be able to bring a few conservatives to the dance as well.

If it comes to fruition, the affordable, obtainable, quality healthcare in real time promised by the ACA will be a firm foundation for our campaign platform.

Here's hoping.

sheshe2

(83,901 posts)
23. No we are not doomed.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jul 2013

What's happening in No. Carolina and Texas right now is going to become a direct link for Democratic gains in 2014! People are getting angry, women are getting angry!

Look what happened after the Trayvon verdict. The massive Peaceful Protests. They didn't riot. They stood up and are making their voices heard. This too will have a direct link to gains in 2014.

Let's not forget the Dreamers.
http://unitedwedream.org/about/our-missions-goals/

Different groups, yes. What they have in common, that would be equal rights and civil liberties. In my opinion these common issues will coalesce in 2014. Change will happen.

It will take more than one cycle to get where we want. However, we start here.

GOTV 2014

Thanks for the great OP ProSense...this needs to be repeated over and over.



 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
30. If the Democrats want to win, they need to stop acting like Republicans
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

For several years now there appears to be no indication the Democratic party is any different than the GOP when it comes to Wall Street and economic issues. The Democrats are protecting the 1% and the big banks just as much as the GOP would.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
32. Wow
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

Do what we want or we are doomed. Might as well slice your own throat ahead of time, that way we don't need to listen to your bullshit.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
56. The Democrats, and Obama in particular, lurched to the right
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jul 2013

The moderates voted. The independents and youth fled.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
46. If we don't wake up and think critically for ourselves, reject
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jul 2013

manipulation, and deal in reality rather than crafted fantasy then yes, it seems inevitable that we are doomed.

I am optimistic, however.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
48. In some states we are in real trouble
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jul 2013

the gerrymandering in NC, which just got upheld by a 3 judge panel, is pretty awful. We are polling ahead on the generic ballot 51 to 43 for the general assembly but that might not be enough to gain a majority (the GOP currently has super majorities in both houses). I don't know the numbers of the state districts but in 2012 we won the Congressional vote here 51 to 49 but have a 4 to 9 split (and came within less than 800 votes of a 3 to 10 split). It was probably the most effective gerrymander in the nation.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
49. Right now we have a center-right party and a fascist party in Washington
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:10 AM
Jul 2013

Maybe if one of those parties was a liberal one...

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