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(B)ut as some cheer Mr. Snowden as a hero, and demonize the government and the programs he impacted by his actions, it might be wise to look beyond the pumped fists and waving flags to consider the bigger picture. If, indeed, his actions endanger the safety of anyone in the intelligence arena, American citizens in their homes or offices, or any human being who might find themselves in the wrong place and time should a terrorist attack occur that might have been preempted but wasnt, the real-life repercussions will go beyond whistleblowing and liberties, right to matters of life and death. Easier or harder to draw lines in the sand then? Well all have to decide.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/27/real-life-repercussions-of-snowden-leaks-al-qaeda-changing-tactics-making-plot-detection-harder/
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Please explain how Al Qaeda will change their tactics. This is all a bunch of false generalizations and scare tactics.
Simply a bunch of bulls***!
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)All this says is Al Quaeda is being more careful about communications. Because they weren't before. They had entire websites devoted to who they were going to attack next..
Pholus
(4,062 posts)From June 13. Old news as far as this story goes...
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/lawmaker-terrorists-change-tactics-after-leaks
Chamblis and another Republican (Rodgers) are the sources from Alexander's closed door briefings.
Interestingly, the quotes by Wyden didn't manage to make it into the same breathless article.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)THANKS ALOT KREMLIN EDDIE!!12
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)is getting for the same crime? When he outed Valerie Plame assets were also put in danger
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Not to mention, the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and the torture of "enemy combatants".
When Mr. Cheney get as much attention for outing Ms. Plame, the government should get back to us.
Deuce
(959 posts)AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)This has sent ripples through the intelligence community that we won't fully understand until the next mass murder of innocent civilians happens and we find out they missed something because of Mr. Snowden.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Edward Snowden.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Der Speigel said they declined to publish info he gave them because it would have engangered NSA employees.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Ex-CIA chief Michael Hayden to CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/opinion/hayden-snowden-impact
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Security experts say it would be challenging but by no means impossible for Russian (or Chinese) cyber technicians to gain access to the files Snowden has with him, in spite of his promises to safeguard them.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=203531584
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Uh hummm.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)Are they clean?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)with various obvious motives for lying about this, including financial.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I never liked how Snowden shit all over the place instead of doing it another way. He can see now there may have been a senator or 2 that would have brought this issue up if he confronted them with it. Instead, he exposes our hand for all to see. But are these accusations true about catching terrorist? Who knows for sure. I'm sure it may have had some impact to some, but this too can also be a plot.
Snowden exposed what we expected of Big Government. It has been written about, and made movies of for decades. 9/11 opened the flood gates to allow ALL of this. Tell me that it was just coincidence that 9/11 came just as they were prepared to put this ALL in motion. And I have 2 110 story towers to sell you.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)it would seem quite obvious that the US government is highly selective about protecting the lives of Americans. If the safety of the citizens of this great country is the gold standard of concern among our leaders why do tens of thousands of us die every year from lack of medical care? Why do tens of thousands of us die every year from gun violence and why are so many thousands maimed or killed on the job because our employers cut corners on safety?
Contrast the above with estimated three TRILLION dollars these last two wars will cost the US and the hundreds of billions being spent to build a surveillance system that will someday be used for personal political ends of those that wield its power.
Saying that Snowden's actions may cost the lives of a few Americans when we are dying by the truckload from other threats is laughable.
You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack
You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane
You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack
You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack
You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack
You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack
You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack
You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack
You are 8 times MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER than by a terrorist
You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack
You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack
http://newsblaze.com/story/20090221100148tsop.nb/topstory.html
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)UHHH . . . YEP!
u r korrect, sir!
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)You really think they are that stupid?
You might as well accuse the news media of "aiding the enemy" for reporting new advances in surveillance technology (like new drones coming out.)
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Of course they know we are trying to intercept their signals. The less detail they kow as to how the better.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Are THEY more important than our rights? Should we just cancel our rights until we catch "THEM"?
I think not.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Welcome to my ignore list.
mick063
(2,424 posts)I understand the "never forget" part, but we have also unleashed trillions of dollars, thousands of drone attacks, militarized and federally coordinated our local police, and taken out Al Qaeda #2 a multitude of times, yet the "danger" is flaunted like 9/11 happened yesterday.
Relative to six year olds being slaughtered in school, this Al Qaeda scare tactic has really started to lose it's punch.
Now we have Southern Republicans declaring that dissent over female rights or dissent to 1% thievery as the equivalent to terrorism. As terrorism is apparently being constantly redefined to suit political agendas, the government infrastructure to battle it has grown into a monstrosity that is in itself, terrorizing.
The fear factor to justify wasteful spending on diminishing risk is just not cutting it any more. The effort and expenditure should be consummate with the risk. Our President can either declare we are winning this war or losing it. If we are winning it, there is no justification for such programs expanding at such a rate. If we are losing it, then the giant effort has been a failure.
Folks, we have to get a handle on this before it reaches "runaway" mode and becomes something we cannot ever get a handle on.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Has anyone read the studies of the hunt for bin laden? Repeatedly, they knew that all forms of electronic communications were being monitored and read by US spies. Any argument that Snowden caused an al qaida problem is little more than propaganda by those who like controlling the surveillance.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Robert Novak...rot in Hell. GOP...rot in Hell. YOU let the terrorist win by arming them and then outing CIA operatives!
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)snowden caused a lot of trouble for everyone around the globe.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)'Dimwitted, chickenshit Americans trade their freedoms for a promise of safety by the IMC!'
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, keep the amount and what it's used for secret from the people.