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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:26 PM Jul 2013

Real-Life Repercussions Of Snowden Leaks: Al Qaeda Changing Tactics, Making Plot Detection Harder

(B)ut as some cheer Mr. Snowden as a hero, and demonize the government and the programs he impacted by his actions, it might be wise to look beyond the pumped fists and waving flags to consider the bigger picture. If, indeed, his actions endanger the safety of anyone in the intelligence arena, American citizens in their homes or offices, or any human being who might find themselves in the wrong place and time should a terrorist attack occur that might have been preempted but wasn’t, the real-life repercussions will go beyond “whistleblowing” and “liberties,” right to matters of life and death. Easier or harder to draw lines in the sand then? We’ll all have to decide.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/27/real-life-repercussions-of-snowden-leaks-al-qaeda-changing-tactics-making-plot-detection-harder/

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Real-Life Repercussions Of Snowden Leaks: Al Qaeda Changing Tactics, Making Plot Detection Harder (Original Post) arely staircase Jul 2013 OP
I call this "bulls***" avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #1
Yup and the AP link in the story goes nowhere.. SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #5
Recycle stuff from June. Got the presumed link from AP. Pholus Jul 2013 #9
It's pathetic, is what it is. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #17
they're going to switch to carrier pigeons.. frylock Jul 2013 #23
agreed. I remember cheney saying shit like that too. roguevalley Jul 2013 #37
So shouldn't Dick Cheney be getting the same full attention that Snowden Cleita Jul 2013 #2
Yes. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #6
+10000000 YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #8
Indeed. onyourleft Jul 2013 #12
Glad you mentioned Valerie Plame... Deuce Jul 2013 #36
It won't be long before Snowden has blood on his hands. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #3
yeah that's who has blood on his hands in this country Enrique Jul 2013 #7
I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already gotten people killed arely staircase Jul 2013 #13
Former intelligence officials are certain that Russia and China, at the very least, have that info. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #16
from NPR this morning arely staircase Jul 2013 #20
Unlike Orrin Hatch, who blurted out that we were listening to Osama's cell phone calls.n/t denverbill Jul 2013 #19
Yeah, cause they caught those Boston Bombers before they did their damage, right? Th1onein Jul 2013 #26
What about Obama's hands? burnodo Jul 2013 #27
say the biggest liars anyone has ever seen Enrique Jul 2013 #4
Who knows what or who to believe now Politicalboi Jul 2013 #10
Speaking of matters of life and death, Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #11
"You are 8 times MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER than by a terrorist" datasuspect Jul 2013 #15
yeah, but they killed al qaeda number 2 again! datasuspect Jul 2013 #14
pretty high turnover rate at that job thanks to drones. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #21
You think Al Qaeda didn't know about NSA worldwide surveillance for decades via Echelon? AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #18
I think any clandestine organization adopts to new information when it becomes availabe. arely staircase Jul 2013 #22
so exactly what level of detail was exposed that tipped our hand to AQ? frylock Jul 2013 #24
So, if they are adapting to new information, there is only one question to ask now: Th1onein Jul 2013 #28
binary thinking at its finest. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #29
Veiled ad hominem attack, at it's finest. Th1onein Jul 2013 #33
9/11 is getting old mick063 Jul 2013 #25
bullshit. plain, unadulterated bullshit. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #30
I wish they would have taken the Valerie Plame leak this seriously. Rex Jul 2013 #31
no doubt most agencies are changing their security. madrchsod Jul 2013 #32
Extra! Extra! Read all about it! whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #34
EEK!! Bogeyman Alert!! Quick! Demand congress give more money to the spies!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #35
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
1. I call this "bulls***"
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jul 2013

Please explain how Al Qaeda will change their tactics. This is all a bunch of false generalizations and scare tactics.

Simply a bunch of bulls***!

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
5. Yup and the AP link in the story goes nowhere..
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

All this says is Al Quaeda is being more careful about communications. Because they weren't before. They had entire websites devoted to who they were going to attack next..

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
9. Recycle stuff from June. Got the presumed link from AP.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

From June 13. Old news as far as this story goes...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/lawmaker-terrorists-change-tactics-after-leaks

Chamblis and another Republican (Rodgers) are the sources from Alexander's closed door briefings.

Interestingly, the quotes by Wyden didn't manage to make it into the same breathless article.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. So shouldn't Dick Cheney be getting the same full attention that Snowden
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

is getting for the same crime? When he outed Valerie Plame assets were also put in danger

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
8. +10000000
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

Not to mention, the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and the torture of "enemy combatants".

onyourleft

(726 posts)
12. Indeed.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

When Mr. Cheney get as much attention for outing Ms. Plame, the government should get back to us.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
3. It won't be long before Snowden has blood on his hands.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

This has sent ripples through the intelligence community that we won't fully understand until the next mass murder of innocent civilians happens and we find out they missed something because of Mr. Snowden.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
13. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already gotten people killed
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

Der Speigel said they declined to publish info he gave them because it would have engangered NSA employees.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
16. Former intelligence officials are certain that Russia and China, at the very least, have that info.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013
Absent "rogue" U.S. action to silence him, Snowden has promised not to reveal this data, but there are already reports of counterterrorism targets changing their communications patterns. And I would lose all respect for China's Ministry of State Security and Russia's FSB if they have not already fully harvested Snowden's digital data trove.


Ex-CIA chief Michael Hayden to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/opinion/hayden-snowden-impact

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
20. from NPR this morning
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

Security experts say it would be challenging but by no means impossible for Russian (or Chinese) cyber technicians to gain access to the files Snowden has with him, in spite of his promises to safeguard them.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=203531584

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
4. say the biggest liars anyone has ever seen
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013

with various obvious motives for lying about this, including financial.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
10. Who knows what or who to believe now
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jul 2013

I never liked how Snowden shit all over the place instead of doing it another way. He can see now there may have been a senator or 2 that would have brought this issue up if he confronted them with it. Instead, he exposes our hand for all to see. But are these accusations true about catching terrorist? Who knows for sure. I'm sure it may have had some impact to some, but this too can also be a plot.

Snowden exposed what we expected of Big Government. It has been written about, and made movies of for decades. 9/11 opened the flood gates to allow ALL of this. Tell me that it was just coincidence that 9/11 came just as they were prepared to put this ALL in motion. And I have 2 110 story towers to sell you.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
11. Speaking of matters of life and death,
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

it would seem quite obvious that the US government is highly selective about protecting the lives of Americans. If the safety of the citizens of this great country is the gold standard of concern among our leaders why do tens of thousands of us die every year from lack of medical care? Why do tens of thousands of us die every year from gun violence and why are so many thousands maimed or killed on the job because our employers cut corners on safety?

Contrast the above with estimated three TRILLION dollars these last two wars will cost the US and the hundreds of billions being spent to build a surveillance system that will someday be used for personal political ends of those that wield its power.

Saying that Snowden's actions may cost the lives of a few Americans when we are dying by the truckload from other threats is laughable.

• You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

• You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

• You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

• You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

• You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

• You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

• You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

• You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

• You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

• You are 8 times MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER than by a terrorist

• You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

• You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

http://newsblaze.com/story/20090221100148tsop.nb/topstory.html

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
15. "You are 8 times MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER than by a terrorist"
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

UHHH . . . YEP!

u r korrect, sir!

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
18. You think Al Qaeda didn't know about NSA worldwide surveillance for decades via Echelon?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jul 2013

You really think they are that stupid?

You might as well accuse the news media of "aiding the enemy" for reporting new advances in surveillance technology (like new drones coming out.)

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
22. I think any clandestine organization adopts to new information when it becomes availabe.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jul 2013

Of course they know we are trying to intercept their signals. The less detail they kow as to how the better.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
28. So, if they are adapting to new information, there is only one question to ask now:
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:00 PM
Jul 2013

Are THEY more important than our rights? Should we just cancel our rights until we catch "THEM"?

I think not.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
25. 9/11 is getting old
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

I understand the "never forget" part, but we have also unleashed trillions of dollars, thousands of drone attacks, militarized and federally coordinated our local police, and taken out Al Qaeda #2 a multitude of times, yet the "danger" is flaunted like 9/11 happened yesterday.

Relative to six year olds being slaughtered in school, this Al Qaeda scare tactic has really started to lose it's punch.

Now we have Southern Republicans declaring that dissent over female rights or dissent to 1% thievery as the equivalent to terrorism. As terrorism is apparently being constantly redefined to suit political agendas, the government infrastructure to battle it has grown into a monstrosity that is in itself, terrorizing.

The fear factor to justify wasteful spending on diminishing risk is just not cutting it any more. The effort and expenditure should be consummate with the risk. Our President can either declare we are winning this war or losing it. If we are winning it, there is no justification for such programs expanding at such a rate. If we are losing it, then the giant effort has been a failure.

Folks, we have to get a handle on this before it reaches "runaway" mode and becomes something we cannot ever get a handle on.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
30. bullshit. plain, unadulterated bullshit.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jul 2013

Has anyone read the studies of the hunt for bin laden? Repeatedly, they knew that all forms of electronic communications were being monitored and read by US spies. Any argument that Snowden caused an al qaida problem is little more than propaganda by those who like controlling the surveillance.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. I wish they would have taken the Valerie Plame leak this seriously.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jul 2013

Robert Novak...rot in Hell. GOP...rot in Hell. YOU let the terrorist win by arming them and then outing CIA operatives!

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
32. no doubt most agencies are changing their security.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jul 2013

snowden caused a lot of trouble for everyone around the globe.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
34. Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

'Dimwitted, chickenshit Americans trade their freedoms for a promise of safety by the IMC!'

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
35. EEK!! Bogeyman Alert!! Quick! Demand congress give more money to the spies!!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jul 2013

But, keep the amount and what it's used for secret from the people.

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