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An orphaned Iraqi boy made a drawing of his mother on the floor, and slept in her arms (Original Post) Catherina Jul 2013 OP
I hate war. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #1
There's NO excuse for it. None Catherina Jul 2013 #3
+1000 MissDeeds Jul 2013 #39
How terrible what we did to the Iraqi people madokie Jul 2013 #2
I get the impression too many Americans have not really thought through what junior's shock indepat Jul 2013 #8
It sure seems that way doesn't it madokie Jul 2013 #19
Our descent has been rapid since the Gipper's wisdom (avarice and greed) was so freely indepat Jul 2013 #23
And now reports have just come out that children are being born deformed from the effects of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50
Crimes against humanity of such monstrous proportions have rendered a good part of our population indepat Jul 2013 #56
Yes, that is the truth. Although the censorship of the media regarding what was really going on sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #70
Part of the plan dbackjon Jul 2013 #60
Ironically most of the same people are against "murdering babies(sic)" when it comes to abortion Major Nikon Jul 2013 #41
Nope, guilt Dan Jul 2013 #43
Yup.....n/t jaysunb Jul 2013 #14
The Iraq war is why I hated G.W. Bush. There was no justification for it. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #20
yes there was Heather MC Jul 2013 #28
It was the same for me. When the "war" started I was horrified not just at Bush but live love laugh Jul 2013 #53
Yeah and they scoff and sneer at my silly pacifist nature. Pacifism never robbed a little boy of Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #21
That is exactly right. cliffordu Jul 2013 #38
Democracy is messy. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #65
Thanks Bush and Cheney malaise Jul 2013 #4
And the majority of the American people. nt ladjf Jul 2013 #51
I dunno Hydra Jul 2013 #68
You might be correct. But, in any event, too many people went along with a terrible piece ladjf Jul 2013 #69
That's a still from an Iraq PSA in 2011 leftstreet Jul 2013 #5
Thanks for the actual context tomm2thumbs Jul 2013 #35
Missed your post, sorry. Repeated it downthread. Brickbat Jul 2013 #37
We Have Two Sides In Every War grilled onions Jul 2013 #6
Well said.... Bo Jul 2013 #7
And Cheney says "so?' Marie Marie Jul 2013 #32
For decades. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #40
Yes yes THIS ^^^^! Thank you Catherina Jul 2013 #10
Amen jaysunb Jul 2013 #16
Double amen n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #26
:( :::::::::::::::::::::::::: WillyT Jul 2013 #9
We said NO. Catherina Jul 2013 #12
Just want to say tblue Jul 2013 #11
Gawd me too. I just want to adopt that kid Catherina Jul 2013 #13
That is so sad dusty trails Jul 2013 #15
+1. What a grotesque sick joke Catherina Jul 2013 #22
Cheney plus Haliburton dusty trails Jul 2013 #31
No, no more than I believe their lies about that aspirin factory in Sudan Catherina Jul 2013 #34
I found this online dusty trails Jul 2013 #17
Wow, thank you n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #24
We need to look forward past illegal wars. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #18
That's how it goes. Rape, loot, exploit & tell everyone to look *forward* as you hold on to profits Catherina Jul 2013 #25
"I could have been that kid." Bonobo Jul 2013 #27
Wow, yeah. How sad. All of us, as if our lives don't matter Catherina Jul 2013 #30
And people dare ask why some of us chervilant Jul 2013 #55
K&R n/t DeSwiss Jul 2013 #29
. libodem Jul 2013 #33
Not true. This is from a commercial, possibly a PSA. Here's a link to the commercial. Brickbat Jul 2013 #36
And the loss of life in Iraq continues today! mc51tc Jul 2013 #42
Can't we just pull the plug? defacto7 Jul 2013 #44
Yes we created untold nightmares for future generations Rex Jul 2013 #45
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #46
There's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush. greenman3610 Jul 2013 #47
War, what is it good for? Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #48
Absolutely nothing. :-( ReRe Jul 2013 #58
... Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #63
To Hell with the war mongers. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #49
No words Paulie Jul 2013 #52
Reminds me of this story kidgie Jul 2013 #54
My heart goes out to this child badtoworse Jul 2013 #57
Saddam Hussein was a creation of the US. One of Reagan's favorite Dictators. I have no conflict sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #64
This is the result of the actions of men who think they have the right to play god B Stieg Jul 2013 #59
Shame on the chickenhawk war racketeers, every single one of them. ReRe Jul 2013 #61
It's just too sad and it makes me angry .. I wish more people would get angry. Maybe > YOHABLO Jul 2013 #62
And yet, Bush and Cheney are still free. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #66
OMG that is SO SAD!!!!!n/t onecent Jul 2013 #67

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. There's NO excuse for it. None
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jul 2013

We each get, what, about 70 years to live on this earth and this is how they spend our energy? This is how they spend the sweat of our labor?

There's no excuse. None.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. How terrible what we did to the Iraqi people
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jul 2013

I hate war.
Once in war you can never completely get away from it.
It becomes part of who you are
Whether you want it to be or not

indepat

(20,899 posts)
8. I get the impression too many Americans have not really thought through what junior's shock
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jul 2013

and awe in Iraq wrought on a nation of some 25 million people, either that or they don't give a rat's ass just like countless millions of Americans must not give a rat's ass that an unarmed child was fatally wounded by a grown man with a hand-gun in FL who was acquitted of all criminal charges 'cause: FL law was interpreted as if the shooter had tantamount to a license to kill. Somehow I get the idea that those who didn't give a rat's ass about what was wrought on the Iraqi people are basically the same people who don't give a rat's ass about a child, Trayvon Martin, being fatally wounded by an adult packing heat.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. It sure seems that way doesn't it
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jul 2013

It hurts knowing where we are as a nation today, to us here and to those abroad.
We have fallen so far so quick

indepat

(20,899 posts)
23. Our descent has been rapid since the Gipper's wisdom (avarice and greed) was so freely
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jul 2013

spread upon us and mushroomed into the cult-like religion for the true believer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
50. And now reports have just come out that children are being born deformed from the effects of
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

our WMDs especially in Fallujah where many families have watched their newborns suffer and die before they reach the age of one year. As one mother said 'we are afraid to have any more children'. Their government doesn't care and in fact has made it difficult for reporters to do interviews with doctors.

War is a crime of massive proportions especially when it was based on lies so blatant you would think someone would have been held accountable for what is a genocidal slaughter of hundreds of thousands, with the numbers rising and going into the next, who knows, how many generations.

But when a government does not have the ethics to hold it own war criminals accountable, that diminishes the lives of each and every victim, including our own troops. So it should not be surprising to see a society that has lost its ability to empathize with other human beings. We are paying the price right here.

Not to mention the enormous numbers of our troops who are unable to go on living because of what the War Criminals forced to see and do and are committing suicide at an alarming rate. While the War Criminals live in luxury and are treated like elder statesmen and women.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
56. Crimes against humanity of such monstrous proportions have rendered a good part of our population
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013

void of empathy, and hence humanity, imo.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. Yes, that is the truth. Although the censorship of the media regarding what was really going on
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jul 2013

there helped keep Americans 'protected' from the gruesomeness of that horrific enterprise. What happened in Iraq was monstrous, there is no other word I can think of to describe it.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
60. Part of the plan
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jul 2013

If there are no more Iraqi babies, then we have permanently eliminated the problem, right?

Or at least it will make it much easier for George P Bush to invade in 25 years.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
41. Ironically most of the same people are against "murdering babies(sic)" when it comes to abortion
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jul 2013

That's why I refuse to call them pro-life. They are pro-forced-birthing in my book.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
28. yes there was
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

war makes money

And by allowing gays to serve openly, and women in active duty combat, they are insuring they will have enough bodies err soldiers for more wars for decades to come.

Now don't mis understand. i love the equality but I don't think that was our government's true intent. There just aren't enough straight poor boys to send off to war. They needed to open the doors to new areas. I have quite a few friends who are recruiters they avg maybe two recruits per month.

Even with Bush gone our country is not planning for peace, it is planning for more wars.

I guess there is more money in tearing people down, than there is in building people up.

live love laugh

(13,112 posts)
53. It was the same for me. When the "war" started I was horrified not just at Bush but
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jul 2013

at our country, my family, the guy next door--people just walked around oblivious to the fact that we were killing thousands for no reason. And the glamorizing of war and the military was even more disgusting--and it continues.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
21. Yeah and they scoff and sneer at my silly pacifist nature. Pacifism never robbed a little boy of
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

his mother.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
38. That is exactly right.
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jul 2013

"Blood a necklace on me all my life"


Michael Ondaatje,

'The collected works of Billy the Kid'

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
68. I dunno
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jul 2013

I protested back then. There wasn't as much support as they wanted to claim, even with the media constantly banging the drums and Colin Powell lying his ass off to the UN.

Funny thing though- our Dem leaders swung it for them. Hillary and others supporting the war upped the trust factor for some odd reason.

The leaders led, and the followers were silent.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
69. You might be correct. But, in any event, too many people went along with a terrible piece
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:10 AM
Jul 2013

of foreign policy, including Mrs. Clinton. (A decision that cost her the election.)

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
6. We Have Two Sides In Every War
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jul 2013

On the one side you have widows,orphans,land that's raped,landmarks destroyed and a huge waste of natural resources,money wasted on weapons,bullets and killing machines. None of this destruction can be undone.
On the other side you have politicians who get in office or stay in office by talking the war game. They have little interest in what the little voters want but have a huge interest in what corporations involved in the war machine want and they are a willing shill. Companies that have a desire to overtake the resources of a country want to jump in with both feet and will do their part to shove the population out of the way so they can grab land,oil,water,etc in whatever country they decide to "help".
No matter who "wins"a war the first group never recover from the damage done. No matter who "wins" the second group will continue to try and create reasons for wars no matter how weak the excuses are nor how many lies have to be tosses around.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
10. Yes yes THIS ^^^^! Thank you
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jul 2013
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
Mahatma Gandhi

Thank you. I'm proud to stand by you.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
12. We said NO.
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:01 PM
Jul 2013

We were out in the streets, marching side by side before hanging out at Tommy's.

We said no! And what did we get? More war. More drones. Secret courts making secret rulings. Less jobs. More homelessness but oh the profits are UP!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. Gawd me too. I just want to adopt that kid
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

Not that it will make his momma come back but just to be there for him.

I will go to my death cursing ALL of those who ever, even in the slightest, ever supported and helped these wars.

dusty trails

(174 posts)
31. Cheney plus Haliburton
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jul 2013

You didn't really think Bush lied us in the Iraq War because of (non-existent) WMD, did you?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
34. No, no more than I believe their lies about that aspirin factory in Sudan
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jul 2013

or repeatedly bombing Al-Jazeera offices. These puppies are really sick, counting their profits as little people all over the world, to include our own country, suffer. If we live to see them hanging from ropes, Mussolini-style, I'll die happy.

dusty trails

(174 posts)
17. I found this online
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jul 2013

"The narrator is saying (and this is translated verbatim, so it's less beautiful than if I translated it in kind):

this son, his mother was killed, and he's drawn this to show you how much he needs her tenderness. but look what he's done now, he laid his cheek on the picture he's drawn of her, and you, if your mother is here, have you given her what she deserves of your tenderness?"

http://dailyoftheday.com/not-exactly-but-still-sad/

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
25. That's how it goes. Rape, loot, exploit & tell everyone to look *forward* as you hold on to profits
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jul 2013

Gawd how sick.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
30. Wow, yeah. How sad. All of us, as if our lives don't matter
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:12 PM
Jul 2013

except for an accident of birth. And people dare ask why some of us won't mindlessly wave flags.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
55. And people dare ask why some of us
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

won't mindlessly support a democratic administration that continues some of the worst policies enacted during the bush regime.

mc51tc

(219 posts)
42. And the loss of life in Iraq continues today!
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jul 2013

65 people killed and 190 wounded in Iraq, worst violence since 2008

"A wave of bombings on Saturday night in Baghdad province have killed 65 people and wounded 190, officials said. Iraq has seen its worst violence since 2008; over 520 people have died in July."

and we wonder why the rest of the world looks at the USA as the bully out of control. The people of Iraq will never forget.

http://rt.com/news/killed-baghdad-bombings-violence-374/

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
44. Can't we just pull the plug?
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jul 2013

Just pull out the plug that feeds war, hate, racism, fear, pain, suffering, deceit, greed, apathy, narcissism, religion?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Yes we created untold nightmares for future generations
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:42 AM
Jul 2013

and yet we let the warmongers get away with it! That picture SHOULD haunt every person live...but the people that start these wars have no soul.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
57. My heart goes out to this child
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jul 2013

I have to say that I feel very conflicted about Iraq. I lived there for about a year in 1979 and 1980 and can tell you that Saddam Hussein was a horrible person and the Iraqi people were terrified of him. He deserved to be put down and I was convinced that getting him out of power was the right thing to do. Seeing how things still are over there, I'm not as convinced as I once was. In any case, I feel for any child that is orphaned.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
64. Saddam Hussein was a creation of the US. One of Reagan's favorite Dictators. I have no conflict
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jul 2013

over any of this. We have caused untold tragedies from the ME to Africa and to Latin America by our support for Dictators who ruined their countries, with our support.

We have a habit of backing dictators until they get a little arrogant, then we go in cause even more tragedy for the innocent.

We are still supporting Dictators who are cruelly torturing and killing their own citizens while we reward them for their behavior. See Karamov of Uzbekistan, Bahrain to name just two.

We need to come home, to stop interfering in other countries. We have enough resources here to take care of ourselves.

The creation and backing of dictators is for the profiteers and no one else. And it has been going for decades.

No matter how bad Saddam Hussein was what we did to the those people was even worse, as they, themselves have said, over and over again.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
61. Shame on the chickenhawk war racketeers, every single one of them.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:13 PM
Jul 2013

K&R

My heart weeps for this little boy and all the other innocents left behind by their beloveds. Innocent beloveds who were felled by our wicked MIC.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
62. It's just too sad and it makes me angry .. I wish more people would get angry. Maybe >
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jul 2013

people would wake up and doing something about the harm we have done throughout the world. Simply to protect corporatist and their profit making ventures. How do you replace someone's mother?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
66. And yet, Bush and Cheney are still free.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

This is a breech of justice. They are war criminals. Hear that Mr. President?

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