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On the surface, the bill looks simple enough prohibit those under age 18 from purchasing alternative nicotine products such as electronic cigarettes.
When we looked at the bill title, we thought it was something we were behind, said Jeff Stephens, director of state policy for the American Cancer Society in Ohio. But as we looked and shared it with our national office, they said, Oh my God, this is happening all over the country."
Anti-smoking advocates say that below the surface of House Bill 144 is a tobacco-industry-crafted Trojan horse designed to ensure that the emerging electronic-cigarette market and other alternative nicotine products remain taxed at a lower rate than traditional cigarettes and stay outside the states indoor smoking ban.
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Boston University researchers have concluded that few, if any, chemicals at levels detected in electronic cigarettes raise serious health concerns. Researchers also found that the products may help smokers stop using regular cigarettes.
But others warn that data on the health effects of the 3-year-old products are incomplete. Kunze said that as a mom of two teenage daughters, she saw the legislation as a way to handle an immediate threat to our minors and our youth.
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Asked if e-cigarettes should be taxed the same as regular cigarettes, Kunze said: I dont think there is enough information yet. We just dont know to what extent they are more or less harmful."
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/07/22/e-cigarette-bill-called-trojan-horse.html
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)that's not good enough. Anything that looks like a cigarette must also be banned, or at least regulated, like a cigarette.
Does it reduce actual tobacco use? That's not important Are there any known risks? That's not important either.
I smoked for close to 40 years, and my attitude now is that if tobacco disappeared from the planet we'd probably be better off, but even back when the anti-smoking movements were starting to get up some steam there was this alarming religious fervor about some of them.
JustAnotherGen
(31,827 posts)No other addiction has so little empathy for the addict. And anyone who's stomache has twisted jonesing for a smoke (hi - that's me prior to quitting) knows that it's a serious addiction.
JustAnotherGen
(31,827 posts)At the same rate as smoky ciggy butts.
I used e-cigs to quit.
You want folks to pick that up, decrease, and look up at 3 pm one day and say, "Oh wow - I haven't take a puff today - who knew?" - keep em cheap.
But certainly - regulate the hell out of them. There's no need for anyone to ever pick up any nicotine product as a minor. None whatsoever.
BTDT - and tried quitting ten times prior to my actual quit. And even if long time smokers folks switch from smoky butts to e-butts and stay there the rest of their lives - I'm okay with that. It's better to get that nic fix through e-butts than smoky butts.
Who knows - lower taxes might kill the smoky butt industry as more and more smokers pick up the nic inhaler and throw the pack out.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I was shocked the first time I priced the stuff-- it would be more a day than the actual cigarettes!
I eventually found reasonably priced gum at BJ's, but still can't imagine why the cure would be more expensive than the problem.
JustAnotherGen
(31,827 posts)patches, chantix - none of that worked for me. This was the only thing that let me get a short burst of nicotine with the same 'habit' (hand to mouth) .. . but literally one day looked at the clock in my office and was like: Really? I haven't taken a puff today?
Granted - you CAN switch the addiction from the smoke to the vapor -but the vapor -
Any smoker can tell you - you are NOT out of breath with that vapor. You simply aren't.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)after years of smoking and is as much a part of it as the smoke itself.
I did have a hard time with that, and if e-cigs were available then I'm sure it would have made the job easier.
MineralMan
(146,316 posts)same way they tax regular cigarettes. It has nothing to do with health or anything but extracting money from people who are in a minority and can't fight back. That's what this is about.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I know two people who used e-cigs to quit. Without them, they'd still be smoking.
MineralMan
(146,316 posts)cigarettes by $1.60. They're working for me, but I don't really like them very much. That's leading me to smoke less, and that's a good thing. I refuse to buy the cigarettes at the new high price, so maybe this is my quitting time.
In the meantime, I can still get the nicotine my body wants, but without all the other toxic contents of actual smoke. I can't see a downside to this, frankly.
I notice that they don't raise the taxes on booze. Could that be because more people drink alcohol than smoke? I think so.
JustAnotherGen
(31,827 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)plus that might help entice people to give up cigs, no butts in the gutter and water filters no 2nd hand smoke ...
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)instead.
brewens
(13,588 posts)ideal for times when it isn't convenient to go outside to smoke. A quick break on a training day? Duck into the bathroom or stairwell for a few vapor tokes, even if they are banned indoors. I know that's what I'd be doing. I'd be shocked to find out substituting that for smoking a real cigarette would be more harmful.
What about teenagers trying eCigs? I haven't heard of any case of a kid trying eCigs, becoming addicted then graduating to smoking the real thing. I suppose that will happen occasionally but that would probably be a kid that would start smoking as soon as they could get cigarettes anyway.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Also being able to use them anywhere.
Take away those things any LESS people will quit smoking.
God we are such a fucked up society.