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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the Phrase "Black-on-Black Crime" Suggests Inherent Criminality
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/why-phrase-black-black-crime-suggests-inherent-criminalityIve written here, and elsewhere, that black-on-black crime as a specific phenomena isnt a thing. Yes, the vast majority of crimes against African Americans are committed by other African Americans, and yes, black men face a higher murder rate than any other group in the country. But those facts are easily explained by residential segregation and proximitypeople commit crimes against those closest to themand the particular circumstances of many black communities, which are marred by concentrated poverty and nonexistent economic opportunities.
But whats the big deal?, you might ask. Why cant we use black-on-black crime as a shorthand for these particular problems? The answer isnt difficult. Violent crime in hyper-segregated neighborhoods doesnt happenbecause the residents are black. Their race isnt incidentalthe whole reason these neighborhoods exist is racial policymaking by white lawmakersbut there is nothing about blackness that makes violence more likely. Focusing on the black part of the equation takes this violence out of the realm of policy, and into the world of cultural ills. Black-on-black crime describes apathologya social abnormalitythat cant be fixed by political action. Those people are just that way, and as such, we should leave them to their devices, and defend ourselves if necessary.
Indeed, if criminality is inherent to African Americans, then it doesnt matter who youre defending yourself against. At any and all times, youre stopping someone who is, or could become, a criminal. Its how you get policymakers like Michael Bloomberg and policies like stop and frisk, which says, in effect, that if you are black and male, New York City is justified in treating you as a potential offender.
Now, you could try as Richard Cohen attempts in the Washington Postto put limits on this suspicion. We only have to worry about urban African Americans, he argues. They are the criminal threat:
Im tired of politicians and others who have donned hoodies in solidarity with Martin and who essentially suggest that, for recognizing the reality of urban crime in the United States, I am a racist. The hoodie blinds them as much as it did Zimmerman.
brush
(53,815 posts)White-on-white crime, Latino-on-Latino crime, Asian-on-Asian crime, and so on.
As you said in your post, "people commit crimes against those closest to them," so why make it seem that this phenomenon only exists in the black community?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Are they comparable, given the size of the communities?
I think its more correct to say that violence is more of a part of life in poor communities; I'm not sure I agree that white politicians are keeping blacks in ghettos. To be more precise there are Government policies that should be changed so that we have a more fluid egalitarian society. But there are probably other issues at play as well.
Bryant
xchrom
(108,903 posts)***SNIP
What Will, Steele and O'Reilly failed to mention is the exacting truth that white Americans are just as likely to be killed by other whites. According to Justice Department statistics (pdf), 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites.
In fact, all races share similar ratios. Yet there's no outrage or racialized debate about "white on white" violence. Instead, the myth and associated fear of "black on black" crime is sold as a legitimate, mainstream descriptive and becomes American status quo.
The truth? As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America. In particular, whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, more than 2-1.
Given this mathematical truth, would anyone encourage African Americans to begin shooting suspicious white males in their neighborhoods for fear that they'll be raped, assaulted or murdered? Perhaps George Zimmerman's defenders should answer that question. If African Americans were to act as irrationally as Zimmerman did, would any rationale suffice to avoid arrest?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)They were probably the most violent ethnic group for a long time. Many of the gunfighters in the old west were Scots Irish. I can't think of a single gunfighter with a middle or eastern European name.
brush
(53,815 posts)As you say violence is more a part of life in poor communities, which is really a class issue rather than race. The crime rates in poorer white communities where meth is rampant are surely comparable to inner-city rates. And don't forget about gang banging in Latino disadvantaged Latino communities
I wouldn't say white politicians are keeping blacks in ghettos either. It's more that it's systemic in our society fewer dollars spent per student on education in poor communities, fewer opportunities and jobs to get out of those communities which can lead in some cases to involvement in crime to get money, in many instances harsher law enforcement that seems designed to gather up as many inhabitants as possible into the criminal justice system which takes away money spent on bail and attorney fees, plus potential breadwinners, and on and on, a vicious cycle.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)I agree that economics tends to be a better indicator than race, when I research crime statistics I find the FBI UCR site to be very useful. It's definitive based on reporting agencies and the data is distilled into a number of different categories.
I believe the 2012 report is still a preliminary report so I have a link for you that takes you to the 2011 persons arrested report page. When you mouse over the table listings an explanation of the table pops up for you to quickly find data by sex, population size, race, etc...
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/persons-arrested/persons-arrested
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... we were plenty violent too.
malaise
(269,147 posts)are committed by white people.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)the same way black crime or black on black crime did.
Igel
(35,337 posts)If you want one classification, you get the rest. Consider it an application of the free-ride principle in action.
The question is, Why do we want that classification?
Well, because a disproportionate number of WonB murders, for example, are perceived to be hate crimes. If you want to go from the occasional symbolic act to show it's a pervasive kind of thing, you need numbers, and for that you need classifications.
As soon as you have WonB, though, you have W as a classification and B as a classification. Surely Asian (A), Latino (L), and NA (Native American) count as people, too?
However, another reason is to be able to study and understand the rates. You obviously got mileage out of the classification of BonB crime. If you don't have the classification, you can't say it's higher for any reason because you can't say it's higher. You can't say where it's restricted to. You can't propose explanations for it, you can't monitor its increase or decrease, and you can't take action to reduce it. Same for all the other duplets. BonB gives us WonB, AonB, LonB, BonW, BonA, BonL ...
That allows us to say that most whites are murdered by whites and most blacks are murdered by blacks. It allows us to say that the BonB murder rate is higher than the WonW murder rate. Heck, last time I checked, it allowed us to say that the WonB murder rate was lower than the BonW murder rate.
(But it's always been unclear to me why "poverty" is seen as a explanation for "murder."
Pelican
(1,156 posts)... and thus they keep doing it?
Sheesh... Probably bigger problems out there.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The identity of the assailant only becomes relevant as a rationalization to avoid doing anything about it.
REP
(21,691 posts)Where so-called black-on-black crimes are highest, so is poverty. The victims are victims of opportunity - other people within the same area, and often neighborhoods, especially low-income ones, have some degree of segregation. If these areas were more diverse but still impoverished, there'd still be the same crime problems, but victims and perpetrators of various races/ethnicities. Economic security would be the most significant way to reduce these sort of crimes; while money can't solve everything, it can make living easier, and even help diminish feelings of hopelessness and helplessness - knowing there's a place to go home to and food to eat every day shouldn't be a luxury or a constant, losing struggle.
Wealthier areas have just as many criminals, but they usually go to an office to commit their crimes, which tend to involve less random violence (in general) but can be far more devastating to greater numbers of people. This is not to minimize the fear and extreme economic hardship, that, for example, an elderly person beaten and robbed for their monthly check feels or any other victim of street-level crime, of course; the daily stress alone of living in an area where you might be targeted is draining.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's sad but true. Our society in general doesn't care about crime that happens within the black community.
and I'll add that our society in general doesn't care about ANYTHING that happens within the black community.
Unless, of course, it's something that might possibly threaten a white person, and then it's a national crisis.
(One might make the argument that poor people, both black and white, are treated like "remittance men," sent money and provided with housing so that the status quo doesn't actually have to address the problems faced by the poorest members of society.)