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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:38 AM Jul 2013

Postal Service looks to end at-your-door mail

If you're moving to a newly built house, say goodbye to mail delivery at your door.

And if some House Republicans get their way, all door-to-door mail delivery will go away.

The U.S. Postal Service is marching towards a more "centralized delivery," where residents pick up their own mail from clusters of mail boxes located in their neighborhood. Local postmasters are sending hundreds of letters to fast-growing communities, warning that cluster boxes will be the way mail will be delivered to new developments.

In the past year, the cash-strapped Postal Service has been asking companies in industrial parks and shopping malls to also adopt this form of mail delivery.

But Rep. Darrell Issa, the California Republican leading the House effort to save the postal service, wants more. He has made doing away with doorstep delivery a key part of his bill, which would require everyone to get mail at a curbside box or from a cluster box.

"A balanced approach to saving the Postal Service means allowing USPS to adapt to America's changing use of mail," said Issa, who is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/23/news/economy/postal-home-delivery/index.html

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Postal Service looks to end at-your-door mail (Original Post) The Straight Story Jul 2013 OP
I loved door delivery d_r Jul 2013 #1
Probably quite reasonable pipoman Jul 2013 #2
I don't mind cluster mailboxes, as long as adequate package MineralMan Jul 2013 #3
This is BS. It's a RW scheme to get rid of Ben Franklin's post office and go to a for-profit byeya Jul 2013 #4
Would be interesting to know who makes (the boxes) them and who is buying the stock The Straight Story Jul 2013 #7
Good point! byeya Jul 2013 #15
If Issa is involved you KNOW it's BS. CTyankee Jul 2013 #17
The post office in Ben Franklin's day did not have home delivery. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #26
They've been building those cluster things for SheilaT Jul 2013 #5
That's real helpful to people with disabilities. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #6
That is what I was thinking MuseRider Jul 2013 #11
+1 - and with our aging population, Morning Dew Jul 2013 #12
No big deal. I have been picking up my mail from cluster mailboxes for years. RebelOne Jul 2013 #8
Who cares? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #9
I love the PO. Truthfully, I'd be fine if PO opened my mail, scanned it, and sent it electronically. Hoyt Jul 2013 #10
there have been profound changes in communication in the last 15 years markiv Jul 2013 #13
That will be tough on the elderly and disabled. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #14
The small town my grandparents lived in didn't have door delivery. They picked their mail up at the Brickbat Jul 2013 #16
We Just Switched RobinA Jul 2013 #22
We already have the cluster boxes. Lugnut Jul 2013 #18
Great. Then I'll have to time my trips to the cluster box to avoid the yappier neighbors, Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #19
As long as the elderly and the handicapped get the service I don't see a problem. rrneck Jul 2013 #20
amazon will switch from post office to fedex then. PITA to go to post office for EVERY package. Sunlei Jul 2013 #21
Has already happened for some areas. politicat Jul 2013 #23
Always remember that any privatized service has the potential for extortion and holding Zorra Jul 2013 #24
Cluster boxes in areas with snow suck big time. RC Jul 2013 #25
what about all the mail carrier jobs? grasswire Jul 2013 #27
Perhaps UPS, DHS and FedEx will be hiring, increased demand and all that. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #30
The post office is only losing money because of the GOP desire to break it. PDJane Jul 2013 #28
Awful idea. bigwillq Jul 2013 #29
The perks of living in a small town Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #31
Get used to it.. this is already happening in many places.. DCBob Jul 2013 #32

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
3. I don't mind cluster mailboxes, as long as adequate package
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:44 AM
Jul 2013

delivery is available. The office building where my wife and I had a suite in California had such a box, but it had only one parcel box to serve the entire building, so receiving packages usually meant a trip to the post office. In addition, delivery personnel did not come to the office with Express Mail deliveries, and that mail was not available until after 4 PM at the post office.

I addressed this with the manager of the branch post office, especially regarding the Express Mail. It turned out that the delivery person was supposed to come to the individual office with such mail. Ours never did that, but just put a slip in the box at the cluster. I had to document this to get some action, so I did. The delivery person got disciplined and the Express Mail got delivered thereafter.

In residential areas, cluster mailboxes are less popular, and for some of the same reasons. However, they do provide an opportunity for neighbors to meet each other when picking up their mail. To that extent, it is a good thing.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
4. This is BS. It's a RW scheme to get rid of Ben Franklin's post office and go to a for-profit
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jul 2013

business with much poorer service and much higher over head. What about packages? With my large mailbox most packages fit.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
7. Would be interesting to know who makes (the boxes) them and who is buying the stock
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jul 2013

Could be quite revealing.....

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. If Issa is involved you KNOW it's BS.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jul 2013

What the repukes have done to our postal service is reprehensible.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
26. The post office in Ben Franklin's day did not have home delivery.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

That didn't happen until the mid-1800s, and only in the larger cities.

Rural Free Delivery (RFD) didn't begin until 1896.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. They've been building those cluster things for
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

twenty-six years or more. At least the first time I moved into a place with a cluster mailbox was in 1986. It's not that terrible. Really. Nor is it anything new.

I've lived with both door to door and cluster mail boxes, and the amount of mis-delivered mail seems the same with each kind. A lot depends on the quality of the local mail person.

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
11. That is what I was thinking
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jul 2013

disabilities and older people. What if they do not drive? If you live out in the country that is going to make it really hard on some folks. There are not always people who will bring you your mail.

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
12. +1 - and with our aging population,
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013

we'll have more and more people who are less able to make a trek for the mail.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
8. No big deal. I have been picking up my mail from cluster mailboxes for years.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jul 2013

I live in a mobile home park and all the mailboxes are at the front of the park.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I love the PO. Truthfully, I'd be fine if PO opened my mail, scanned it, and sent it electronically.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jul 2013

Obviously, packages would be different. But, the daily delivery of mail is not something I really need, not that others might not.

I'm not interested in harming the Post Office, their services are great -- I have shipped stuff worldwide that Fedex and UPS can't compete with. Do most of my shipping with PO stateside, unless I need someone to do the boxing -- then I use UPS Store.

Letters for less than 50 cents that arrive in a day or two are a bargain, even at twice the price.

Love my postman/lady too.

But, this is the 21st century.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
13. there have been profound changes in communication in the last 15 years
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jul 2013

that have made bills and most personal written messages via the post office unnecessary

in 1950, that was the only way

it makes sense to reflect these changes

although i have a tech background, i am what they call a 'tech laggard', i dont feel i have to jump on every bandwagon or have the latest and greatest of everything

yet, at least every decade or so, you have to stop and reassess, does 'x' still make sense?

if we're really serious about being 'green', we need to look at the whole issue of printed and delivered communication. the environmental impact of all this electronic stuff is going to happen, whether we fully use it or not. might as well spare the trees, and all the toluene from printing from going into the landfills, as well as the cardon footprint of delivering all that stuff

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
14. That will be tough on the elderly and disabled.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jul 2013

Especially in the northern states, where the snow and ice could make it really tough for us old folks to get our mail for days or weeks. And the elderly and disabled often depend on the USPS for delivery of needed medications.

I'm sure the GOPers wouldn't want Granny to fall on the ice and break a hip while trekking to the mailbox to get her heart pills.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
16. The small town my grandparents lived in didn't have door delivery. They picked their mail up at the
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jul 2013

post office. The town was so small that they didn't even have P.O. Boxes. You just put their name, the town and ZIP code on. The streets didn't have names until 15 years ago.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
22. We Just Switched
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jul 2013

from PO box to home delivery. Besides convenience, we were getting too much flack from the package delivery companies because we didn't have a "valid address" and from various government and bank entities who don't want people to have a PO box address because to confuses the snoopers.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
20. As long as the elderly and the handicapped get the service I don't see a problem.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jul 2013

It might be tough in dangerous neighborhoods though, especially for those who get a check on a certain day of the month. And all those checks would be in one easy location.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. amazon will switch from post office to fedex then. PITA to go to post office for EVERY package.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jul 2013

looks like Issa wants to kill the post office revenue stream.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
23. Has already happened for some areas.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jul 2013

Amazon uses UPS in my area. Which means I avoid Amazon, because the post comes around noon, FedEx between 10 and 1, but UPS's best day for us ever was 6:31 pm. More often 7-8. I hate that their workers have such a very long day. It seems wrong. (Also, hugely inconvenient for me.)

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
24. Always remember that any privatized service has the potential for extortion and holding
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jul 2013

us hostage to its whims, without viable legal options for redress.

The Postal Service is an independent agency of our government.

If the USPS goes out of biz, we will be at the mercy of the multinational corporate monopolies that will take over our mail service.

Please, stop using Fedex, UPS, etc, and support YOUR post office.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
25. Cluster boxes in areas with snow suck big time.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jul 2013

Somebody, usually the property owner/renter the boxes are sitting in front of, has to clear the street of snow, so the mail delivery vehicle can just drive up to the boxes without difficulty. The city won't do it. In fact one place I lived, the city plows would bury the 3 and half foot high mail boxes under the windrow. I had to make time to dig out the boxes our by hand.
So no, boxes by the street in residential areas are not a good idea.
I did not work for the city and I did not work for the USPS and I was paying for a service I had to perform myself.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
30. Perhaps UPS, DHS and FedEx will be hiring, increased demand and all that.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jul 2013

What did horse-and-buggy carriage makers do when the automobile came along and put them out of work?

We shouldn't keep an institution around just because it provides employment. We should keep it if it is a needed and well-used service (which I think the USPS still is).

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
28. The post office is only losing money because of the GOP desire to break it.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jul 2013

So, now that it's broken, they plan to make more money from the poorest, make them walk farther, and pass the rest of our parcels off to a more expensive provider....and everyone seems fine with that.

Stupid. It's bloody stupid.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
29. Awful idea.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jul 2013

I would rather cut down the number of delivery days than move to a central location.
Or we can just fund the postal service better. All that money we give overseas could go to funding the freaking postal service.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
31. The perks of living in a small town
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jul 2013

I moved and forgot to forward the mail--the mail carriers knows me and brought it to my new house,lol

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. Get used to it.. this is already happening in many places..
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

and will no doubt become the norm in the future.

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