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KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:20 AM Jul 2013

Sadly - any expectation of privacy anywhere ever will leave us disappointed.

I remember the shock the first time I learned motel employees (the exterior corridor type) were using the central maintenance tunnel between the rooms to drill little holes and peek at motel guests in their rooms. Then it was department stores busted with security cams looking into fitting rooms and bathrooms.

My mother has been walking around since early 2000 something with the charged battery OUT of her TracFone so the government can't turn her phone on remotely to track her every move and listen to everything she's doing.

I've no doubt my local government has pics of me picking my nose in my car at one of the intersections with cameras. Not that I make a habit of such things but you know, sometimes it has to be done.

I long ago accepted that Choicepoint or some other jerks had a big database with every purchase I had ever made anywhere and could pretty much tell anyone who asked where I was at any given moment of any day just by crunching the purchases. I expect any job I ever apply for these days the background search company hired to check me out will uncover everything from where my birthmarks are to how much I spent on groceries last week to whether anyone within 10 degrees of me on Facebook can in any way disqualify me for employment.

This NSA thing - scooping up every person's every form of modern communication. I don't like this any more than I like that damn camera staring at me at the ATM "for my security". I'm not shocked the NSA is doing what they've been doing though and not even outraged.

Sadly, my distrust of the human beings who run everything has gotten to the point where I expect them to spy on everyone everywhere at any opportunity they can. Mostly for profit or basic creepitude or both.

Am I the only one who's no longer shocked?

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Sadly - any expectation of privacy anywhere ever will leave us disappointed. (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 OP
We live in a surveillance state now. woo me with science Jul 2013 #1
Shocked? No. Forrest1 Jul 2013 #2
Thank you for a SERIOUS post. jazzimov Jul 2013 #3
BTW, Welcome to DU! jazzimov Jul 2013 #4

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
1. We live in a surveillance state now.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:30 AM
Jul 2013

Surveillance states are malignant. They are authoritarian and inevitably tyrannical. Power like that is always abused.

We need an angry country, not a resigned one.

Forrest1

(2 posts)
2. Shocked? No.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jul 2013

I am not shocked by the collection of our data. I am, however, saddened at the perceived need to do so. I don't even think that evil inner circle in the intelligence community is going to review all of my emails, texts, board posts and other communications in an attempt to profile me. I hate to say this, but I sort of understand the thought behind the collection and can see how it could serve to aid investigators trying to track threats to our country. That being said, what I am worried about is some low level employee having access to this data. Who is to say that these employees are all so honest that they will not use our personal data for their own gain. More and more, government employees are proving that they are not above breaking the law to suite their wants and needs.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
3. Thank you for a SERIOUS post.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:57 AM
Jul 2013

From what I've seen of the leaked documents, the NSA is doing nothing illegal. And i can understand collecting all the info into a single database and then restricting access to that database.

BUT, how are the employees restricted? Also, the Supervisors are the ones who approve the access to this database and are in charge of making sure any illegal searches are destroyed? Who is watching these supervisors?

I am VERY glad that there is Congressional oversight of this process - but how do they know that there are not searches that are not reported?

Perhaps I am asking some questions to which the answers are classified - well, most certainly I am. I can understand that these details must not be released to the general public - but I would like some reassurances that they HAVE been addressed.

Hearing reassurances from DiFi and Sen Franken make me feel better about the process, but I would like to see broader oversight rather than just the Senate Intelligence Committee. I also have questions rather these procedures are still necessary to the extent that they are currently being used.

Personally, I have no expectations of privacy except in my own house. I have no expectations of privacy in my communications, especially since most of them are at work where I am told that they may be monitored and my access to my own PC is limited.

I also have several "loyalty" cards so I know my purchases are being tracked - I gave permission for them to do so.

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