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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:26 AM Jul 2013

Tearing Apart New York Top Cop Ray Kelly's Shameless Lies About the NYPD's Racist Policies

http://www.alternet.org/tearing-apart-new-york-top-cop-ray-kellys-shameless-lies-about-nypds-racist-policies



New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, who is, let’s hope, worried about his job security and hoping to be named the next Secretary of Homeland Security, wrote an editorial for the Wall Street Journal defending his record. Many of his points came directly from a speech given by Kelly to the black civil rights group the National Action Conventionearlier this year. Let’s address each of his claims one by one.

Since 2002, the New York Police Department has taken tens of thousands of weapons off the street through proactive policing strategies. The effect this has had on the murder rate is staggering. In the 11 years before Mayor Michael Bloomberg took office, there were 13,212 murders in New York City. During the 11 years of his administration, there have been 5,849. That’s 7,383 lives saved—and if history is a guide, they are largely the lives of young men of color.

The 11 years before Michael Bloomberg took office included the peak of a nationwide, generational surge in violent crime that has (mysteriously) declined ever since. In 2000, before Michael Bloomberg took office, the New York Times could write:

Statistically, New York, Boston and San Diego have all achieved enormous declines since crime began dropping nationally in 1991. From 1991 to 1998, the murder rate fell 76.4 percent in San Diego, the largest decline of any major city, with New York second at 70.6 percent and Boston third at 69.3 percent, according to Alfred Blumstein, a professor of criminology at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. Their robbery rates showed a similar pattern. During those same years, the robbery rate dropped 62.6 percent in San Diego, also the steepest decline, and 60.1 percent in New York and 50.2 percent in Boston.

As the article — well worth reading in full — goes on to explain, those other cities didn’t fight crime with “aggressive” policing, but with community-focused “problem-solving policing” among other strategies. In New York, the decline, which began under Mayor David Dinkins, has continued under Bloomberg and Kelly, but there is just as much evidence (which is to say, entirely circumstantial evidence) that those 7,000 lives were saved by the elimination of lead-based paint as by stop-and-frisk.
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Tearing Apart New York Top Cop Ray Kelly's Shameless Lies About the NYPD's Racist Policies (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2013 OP
But MSNBC GAVE ceonupe Jul 2013 #1
Can't get mad at Zimmerman eh? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #2
What I was trying to say ceonupe Jul 2013 #3
 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
1. But MSNBC GAVE
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:57 AM
Jul 2013

Him a cakewalk interview on morning joe yesterday with only Micha offering an resistance to his racists policies.

Really disappointed with MSNBC for almost 2 weeks they have been talking about racial profiling and its effects and have had good guest to discuss it but then they have Ray Kelly on for a PR puff piece and go easy on him just like they do with Mayor Bloomberg.

Can't get mad a Zimmerman when his profiling behavior is what the NYPd does as matter of policy

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
3. What I was trying to say
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jul 2013

Is getting mad a Zimmerman because he profiled (which I think was wrong) but not aggressively going after a city police department that sets the tone about this issue is very troubling to me.

Let's see if u walk around in NYC and are black and police belive or think they belive u don't belong you are subject to stop and frisk as a matter of policy. Now police are trying to spin it and call it stop and question (and msnbc for not challenge them and let's them keep usin that spin)

And notice how MSNBC never has the more hard core civili rights guests on with anyone from NYPD or NYC.

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