Thanks for sharing.

I yell at my wife ... because I love her.

My wife gets mad at me and tells me off sometimes. I do the same to her. Neither of us criticize or get mad at other people's spouses because it has nothing to do with us.

If I'm doing something annoying and stupid to tick her off, I need to hear about it so I can change and make things better. And vice versa.

Neither of us as individuals or in a relationship benefit from keeping things in and pretending things are o.k. and are working when they are not.

Thansk for putting in very simple terms why we should be criticizing Democrats!

A sick relationship is one that neither person feels safe with telling the other what is bothering them...and I know because I have seen such relationships.

...than the crack selling hooker on the corner? Especially if aforementioned wife starts turning tricks?

'But she does it in a brothel, so it's legal!'

But then you knew that.
(This Reply title is for those that can't see it and thinks our relationship with our government is emotionally healthy.)

Maybe you criticize DU'ers more than either R's or D's!

"Have you counted? Maybe you criticize DU'ers more than either R's or D's!"

...I've "counted" straw men, and your comment adds to the count.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023087676

You need to study logical reasoning a bit more.

n/t

Accurate as well.

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Thanks for sharing.

Do you have a link?

lay-out.

particularly with regards to the NSA.

Oh, the irony

I just don't think the debate should be moderated out of Moscow, mind you. Or Brazil.

Even without the NSA food fights, there are plenty of tear-down and "everything sucks" posts here--a few too many for my liking at times.

I have been moved to use the TRASH THREAD on occasion.

but 'if you disagree with Obama you support Ron Paul' isn't robust debate. It's drama.

directed from Moscow or Brazil. IMO. I think there's a lot to know about the whole process that got a mid-level NSA analyst to a rather ghastly limbo in a Russian airport, and I think it's not all about his pure heart or "sincere concerns."

But we'll need more details to know that for certain.

It is the 'fallacy of ad hominem.'

Person A makes claim, X
Person B attacks person A
Therefore X is false

When a person cannot debate the issue, they attack the person

I'm sorry, it's not advancing the conversation.

They don't advance the conversation.

...but what am I?

this thread.

This is just a subthread, so your effort doesn't really work too well.

n/t

I hold Democrats to a higher standard.

while rats are crawling around in yours too.

I don't have rats. I have cats. Cats and rats are not suited for cohabitation. Cats trump rats.

Morris is too old school and into the corporate world.
But I doubt he would run...

Cuts out the middlemen. Gets to the problems both parties willfully make worse by embracing this ruinous system.

If something's corrupted for nearly 35 years, do you blame the people or their handlers? Would any of us say "I won't participate in the lost cause of quelling individual greed" and walk away? Some do . . .

Dazzling as a thousand suns, oh great trumadddy.

why babble on about why it's a duck?

than Republicans?

And those who don't think we do are idiots.

Nt

and act petulantly.

What are you laughing at? Your own comment?

And who are YOU to speak for DU?

But if you really want to know, both Trumad and myself have been here since Bush v. Gore. DU grew up around us. It has my online home for well over a decade. I care deeply about our (former) integrity and accuracy.

Why do you disagree that Trumad is a DU treasure? Too much truth for ya?

er, yeah, I sure as shit do, kestrel dear. It's called a typo. You know what's telling? The likes of YOU calling me a right winger as you've done repeatedly.

Oh, and your silly shit about a typo.

that's telling

Afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.

Conservatives? Ridicule is the best that can be hoped for; they have no shame and no empathy and no chance of learning anything.

The answer to your question is no.

Then you wouldn't have to see any of their OPs.

I do it all the time.

- not -

On my browser I can actually skip reading posts I'm not interested in.

Decided not to, glad you did.

daylight between the two parties anymore.

Of course I will criticize Dems.

they're the ones I count on to do my bidding and save the country. I can't do anything about Inhofe and Graham and Gohmert. I CAN do something about MY party. That's why I complain to them.

Inexorable, corrosive and predictable.

They're a force of nature that people interested in the betterment of society need to mitigate. To treat them like honest brokers of ideas from the other side of the aisle is counterproductive.

You deal with them the same way rust is dealt with on ships. Scrape it away without malice or personal investment and repair the damage, then move on to the next rust spot.

I too criticize democrats, because there is some point to it. Unlike Republicans, they tend to be sentient.

I criticize Democrats and make fun of Republicans and laugh out loud at TeaParty nutters.

The enemy is at the door. ALEC and state legislatures are dismantling our rights at an alarming rate.

The is a real danger here, and we must use our energies to beat back the right wing assault, and every minute we spend attacking each other gives aid and comfort to the REAL enemy.... The conservatives.

Obama and a tenuous hold on the senate is all that stands between us and a loss of everything we hold dear.

Aim your arrows outward at the enemy, not inward on each other.

Getting tired of whining DU'ers... get with the program and aim your anger at Republican obstructionism.

They want something to cry about? Let the GOP take Congress in 2014 and we'll be sobbing for the "good old days" when we had the Senate, at least.

No voting without ID, no women's right to choose, that kind of shit will really help the situation...not.

Strawman

We see those arguments here every day. They aren't strawmen.

Do you even know what a strawman is?

nt

It must be because he isn't perfect! = Strawman.

People who criticize a continuation of Bush policies are going to leave the Democratic party! = strawman.

Setting up a fallacy then kicking it down = strawman.

Have a nice day!

I'm fickle like that...

Especially the heads of my family, were actively working with the aforementioned Barbarians, and telling me "Oh hey, maybe the Barbarians have some good ideas and we should find some middle ground with them", and wanting to replace my sharpened, pointed arrows with foam tipped nerf ones.........I don't know about you but that would piss me off and I dont' think I'd be thanking my family members for any of that.

why isn't the Democratic party fighting them with every breath of their being?

we don't adopt their policies. We should be held to a higher standard than them.

What purpose is served by criticizing pigs or republicans?

complain about them in public. I had a chance to vote on them, on the President more than once.

letters, not so much.

And they keep stats on the subject of the letter/email and where the writer falls on the issue, pro or con. Congresscritters use those stats to justify their votes.

They, and particularly the NRA, know how to orgainize very effective letter writing campaigns--ones that make Dem representatives in Congress vote against, say, a background check bill that 90% of Americans support.

I'm sure you know all about that.

their seats in 1994. Tell that to those Democratic Congressmen in 1994 who wanted to take away choice and the right of Americans for centuries to determine whether they would or would not personally own firearms.

Yea, re-adopt the losing 1994 strategy. That ought to do it.

Demonize all Democrats who own firearms or who otherwise want to retain the choice as "gun nuts." Demonize all Independents who own firearms or who otherwise want to retain the choice as "gun nuts."

You got a winning strategy. Keep with it.

BTW, it ain't 1994 anymore.

But if you want to derail this thread by veering into gun nuttery, be my guest.

You are going to be frustrated in your efforts to change that.

If you weren't frustrated, you would not have to refer to "gun nuts" and "gun nuttery."

Walk toward the light. You'll feel better with enlightenment.

But a lot of Repukes are talking about banning all abortions. To equate your gun loving hobby with a woman's right to control her own body is revolting.

Forcing gun nuttery on people so gun manufacturers can make money is authoritarian.

Democrats, and who do not want to risk losing elections by adopting the 1994 losing strategy, do not.

Just the nuts who already own guns have now amassed arsenals.

The 2011 Gallup data is the most recent that was found today.

If you have a Gallup poll that is more current than 2011, you are welcome to post that information. Or you can wait until another Gallup poll is taken.

Do you know why most Democratic Senators and Representatives are not rushing to repeat the strategy that led to the 1994 defeat? It's because they are not stupid.

In fact, some ran and won on such a platform since Sandy Hook, touting their "F" NRA rating. But I am fine with you and your compatriots believing it is. It's great when you're underestimated by the opposition.

My representative is a Republican from the T wing, they do answer the phone and e-mails.
I am a Democrat, I agree with most of the things my party does. My party is led by the Democratic President in office now. He was just re-elected by both an electoral and popular vote margin.
There is another party out there that I almost totally disagree with. They control one branch of the Congress and can filibuster the other branch. They have almost taken control of the Supreme Court. They officially want to privatize social security. They officially want to end Medicare. They officially are unilaterally cutting food stamps. They officially continue to vote over and over to end Obamacare. They officially allowed torture when they held the Presidency. They officially started a preemptive war. I have enough to criticize in that other party.

positions in the Obama Administration?

Or are they off limits to you?

More than just your Congressional Representative is a Republican who purportedly represents you.

calls someone who doesn't a Republican. Sounds like something from 1984, war is peace, Republican is Democrat, Libertarian is Democrat.